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The Wrong Cat Died
Broadway Podcast Network
265 episodes
6 days ago
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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The Wrong Cat Died
From The Vault: "Tempress" Chasity Moore, Grizabella in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball
From The Vault: Originally released on June 25, 2024, this was episode 171 with "Tempress" Chasity Moore who was Grizabella in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and Tempress will be Grizabella! "When we were building, the connection between us (Macavity & Grizabella) was that he used to be in the House of Glamour at one time." This episode features "Tempress" Chasity Moore who plays Grizabella in the production. Hear Chasity discuss her experience being back on stage, how she's tackling Memory each night, and a dive into the ballroom history as the founding mother of her own house. Plus, Tempress shares a fun ballroom character aspect their production has between her and Macavity. Check out Tempress on Instagram: @i_am_tempress Check out Tempress' podcast on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@FQCrazySexyCool Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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6 days ago
33 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
From The Vault: André De Shields, Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball
From The Vault: Originally released on September 3, 2024, this was episode 184 with André De Shields who was Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and André will be Old Deuteronomy! "A theater is a temple. This is the fourth institution where the five necessary questions are answered. You have to answer a question. You have to resolve a crisis. You have to lift a burden. You have to break a yoke. Take that albatross off the neck of the people who have come for redemption. That's why we come and sit in a dark place with strangers. It's a kind of atonement, right?" This episode features André De Shields who plays Old Deuteronomy in this production. Hear André share his thoughts on the production, how he created his character, and how he views the story of CATS. Plus, André gives a passionate defense for why Grizabella has to be the Jellicle choice in this production. Check out André on Instagram: @andre_deshields Check out André on YouTube: @andre_deshields Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 week ago
52 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep235 - Ginger Minj, RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 Winner & Future Rum Tum Tugger
“ It's like an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. You know there's a lot of people there. Some of them have very furry backs. Most of them pretend to dance and there's some cat fights. And then at the end one is chosen and everybody else is upset.” This episode features the multi-talented Ginger Minj, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 and current host of a North American tour of Hokus Pokus Live. Ginger shares her first impressions of CATS, childhood memories, and thoughts on its characters and plot. The episode dives into Ginger's exciting year, new music releases, upcoming film, and memorable interactions with the cast of Hocus Pocus 2. Don't miss this entertaining and insightful conversation about musical theater, drag, and so much more! 00:48 First Encounter with CATS 02:15 Understanding and Interpreting CATS 07:53 Cats and RuPaul's Drag Race Parallels 16:33 Hocus Pocus Live and Career Highlights 28:43 Upcoming Film Projects 31:12 Rapid Fire Check out Ginger's Website: gingerminj.com Check out Hokus Pokus Live: hokuspokuslive.com Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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2 weeks ago
38 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep234 - Bryce Bayer, Munkustrap in 2025 Music Theater Heritage Production
“ It's like a group of misfits gathering behind the bleachers after school. And we're all weird and no one wants to hang out with us. So we get together and we tell stories together.” This episode features Bryce Bayer who played Munkustrap in the 2025 Music Theatre Heritage production of CATS in Kansas City. Bryce shares insights on his unique experience with this non-traditional version, including the use of minimal characters, a hip-hop and jazz infusion, and the fascinating concept of a ritualistic book club. Learn about Bryce's journey from no prior CATS experience to embracing and performing in this innovative interpretation. 03:01 The Unique 2025 Production of Cats 05:24 Rehearsal Insights and Podcast Discovery 08:09 Character Dynamics and Conceptual Approach 33:30 Creative Interpretations 36:04 Excitement for Traditional and Non-Traditional Productions 39:14 Innovative Stage Design and Props 43:02 Rapid Fire Check out Bryce on Instagram: @bbayer7 Check out MTH on Social Media: @MTHTheater ⁠⁠⁠ Check out MTH's website: ⁠musictheaterheritage.com⁠ Check out The Music Man on Tour: themusicmantour.com Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 weeks ago
1 hour 1 minute

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep233 - Cooper Howell, Associate Director in CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
“I was involved basically since the very first workshop. I was the original Rum Tum Tugger.” This episode features Cooper Howell who was an Associate Director of the Perelman Performing Arts Center's reimagined production of CATS: The Jellicle Ball and will be continuing the role during the Broadway Transfer. Cooper shares their unique journey from their first Broadway show experience in the first grade to becoming a pivotal figure in the CATS production. Discover their personal connection to the show, their transition from actor to director, and the exciting elements of the new production. Don't miss this in-depth conversation about theater, creativity, and the transformative power of love. 00:51 Cooper's First Encounter with CATS 15:17 Transition from Actor to Director 21:46 Role of an Associate Director 25:04 Changes for the Broadway Stage 32:52 Guest Judges and Iconic Hosts 38:06 Rapid Fire Check out Cooper on Social Media: @thecooperhowell Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com Produced by: ⁠Alan Seales⁠ & ⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠ Social Media: @⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 month ago
52 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
From the Vault: CATS: The Jellicle Ball Creative Team ft. Zhailon Levingston, Bill Rauch, & William Waldrop
From The Vault: Originally released on May 10, 2024, this was a bonus episode with CATS: The Jellicle Ball Creative Team ft. Zhailon Levingston, Bill Rauch, & William Waldrop. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026! "What overtly having categories does dramaturgy of CATS itself is that there is a particular outcome of winner or loser that happens at the end of every song." This bonus episode features the creative team of the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS set in a ballroom which is appropriately titled: "CATS: The Jellicle Ball". Like me, many of you have been obsessing over this new production. I originally spoke with one of the directors Bill Rauch in July of 2022 when I first got wind of this potential new production which was just a reading at the time and the PAC wasn’t even open yet. Nearly 2 years later, I'm joined by directors Zhailon Levingston and Bill Rauch as well as music supervisor William Waldrop to discuss what you can expect from this new production. We recorded this episode two days before the team started rehearsals and discussed how this incredible production is being brought to life. This is an episode you won't want to miss. Check out Zhailon on Instagram: @zhailon Check out PAC on Instagram: @pac_nyc Check out PAC's website: pacnyc.org Produced by: ⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 month ago
38 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep232 - Adam Andrews & Jadyn Kelly, Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer in 2025 Broadway Theatre of Pitman Production
“I want to warn you. You’ve got real life Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer here so we could talk for hours.” Check out this episode with Adam Andrews and Jadyn Kelly, who play the mischievous duo Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer in the Broadway Theatre of Pitman's production of CATS. Adam and Jadyn share their journeys to becoming CATS fans, their experience with the rigorous rehearsal process, and the joy of performing iconic double cartwheels. They dive into their unique interpretations of character relationships within the show and discuss their meticulous preparation, including unexpected insights from The Wrong Cat Died podcast. Tune in for a delightful conversation filled with theater insights, behind-the-scenes stories, and more! 01:23 Early Experiences with CATS 07:07 Rehearsal Insights and Podcast Influence 18:27 Character Relationships and Interpretations 41:17 Learning the Partner Cartwheels 47:35 Rapid Fire Check out Adam on Instagram: @adamandrews2 Check out Jadyn on Instagram: @jadyn_kelly54 Check out Jadyn on Tik Tok: @jadyn.54 Check out Broadway Theatre of Pitman's Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.thebroadwaytheatre.org Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep231 - Vikki Coote, Rumpleteazer in Original West End Production
“I felt like I was having a dream. Some out of body experience. Andrew literally sat there playing the overture right in front of me.” This episode features Vikki Coote who played Rumpleteazer in the original West End production of CATS. Vikki shares her amazing journey from her initial fascination with the musical, through her audition process, and her time performing in the show. She discusses the unique experience of altering the choreography and music from the British to the Broadway version, memorable backstage and onstage moments, and her involvement in the 1998 film adaptation. Vikki also offers insights into her current role as a performing arts teacher. 00:46 Vikki’s Journey to CATS 01:39 Audition Process and Early Experiences 04:58 Changes Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer 11:28 Memorable Moments and Stories 21:59 The 1998 Movie Experience 27:01 Teaching and Mentoring Future Performers 32:52 Rapid Fire Questions Check out Vikki on Social Media: @vikkicoote Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 month ago
44 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep230 - Meghan Peploe-Williams, Swing on the International Tour
“When you have such a love and a passion for a show that means so much to you, you have the ability to take care of it and look after it.” Check out this episode with Meghan Peploe-Williams who in multiple productions of CATS. Meghan shares her extensive experience with the musical CATS, detailing her roles in various productions including the Vienna Revival, the Asia Tour, and the international tour. Listen in as Meghan reveals her introduction to CATS, her university production experience, and the unique challenges of performing in different languages and locations. Discover her favorite roles, memorable moments, and in-depth character insights, all while exploring what makes CATS such a special and enduring show. 00:45 Early Love for CATS 02:23 University Production Experience 06:38 Professional Journey Begins 07:26 Navigating Language Barriers 14:07 Assistant Dance Captain Role 27:11 Memorable Moments from The Stage 34:32 Rapid Fire Check out Meghan on Social Media: @meghan_cara Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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2 months ago
49 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep229 - Tim Scott, Director of 2018 & 2025 Music Theater Heritage Productions
“ I've never seen a production of CATS that looks the way a production of CATS are supposed to look which is why I always thought I was the perfect person to direct it.” This episode features Tim Scott who was the Director of the 2018 and 2025 reimagined productions of CATS at the Music Theater Heritage in Kansas City. Tim discusses his initial dislike of CATS and how that perspective influenced the innovative choices he made. From eliminating the iconic cat costumes to introducing hip-hop elements, Tim shares how his team brought new life to this classic musical, making it more relatable and emotionally impactful. Tune in to hear about the challenges, audience reactions, and the future of theater reimaginings. 01:06 Tim's Initial Dislike for CATS 02:35 The 2018 Production: A Bold Reimagining 04:26 Philosophy Behind the Unique Approach 12:00 Audience Reactions and Feedback 19:35 Diving into Character and Story Arcs 29:22 Upcoming Season Highlights 31:21 Rapid Fire Check out MTH on Social Media: @MTHTheater ⁠ Check out MTH's website: musictheaterheritage.com Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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2 months ago
49 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep228 - Jalise Wilson, Grizabella in 2023 City Springs Theatre Production
“I couldn’t ignore the fact for me that I was playing Grizabella while also pregnant so for me I had to allow that piece of me to layer into my version of Grizabella.” This episode is with Jalise Wilson who performed as Grizabella in the 2023 City Springs Theatre Company production of CATS. Jalise shares her unique perspective on playing the iconic role while pregnant, her unexpected audition process, and her journey from jazz singer to musical theatre performer. Discover the depth and storytelling in CATS as Jalise discusses her experiences, challenges, and the profound impact of motherhood on her portrayal of Grizabella. Whether you're a die-hard fan of CATS or new to the musical, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the artistry and emotion that bring this timeless show to life. 02:15 Auditioning for Grizabella 06:07 Jacob Brent's Influence and Storytelling 11:41 Portraying Grizabella While Pregnant 24:31 Artistry and Motherhood 31:23 Rapid Fire Question Check out Jalise on Social Media: ⁠@_jalise Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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2 months ago
47 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep227 - Aaron Jenkins, Swing on the International Tour & Chorus in the 2019 Movie
“I’m not religious but Chrissie Cartwright would be the person I would pray to.” This episode is with Aaron Jenkins who is a versatile performer known for his extensive involvement in various CATS productions. Aaron shares his journey, from watching CATS on VHS as a child to performing in the 2019 CATS movie, an outdoor production at Kilworth House Theatre as Macavity, and on the international tour in China as a swing covering multiple roles. He delves into the unique challenges and memorable experiences of each production, including the demanding rehearsals, the intricate makeup processes, and the camaraderie among cast members. Aaron also discusses the fascinating nuances of the characters he portrayed and offers his insights on who should be the Jellicle choice. Tune in for an in-depth look at the magical and sometimes surreal world of CATS! 01:12 Early Experiences with CATS 02:10 Landing the Role in the 2019 CATS Movie 09:07 Reactions to the 2019 CATS Movie Release 17:17 Kilworth House Theater Production 23:34 Challenges of Outdoor Performances 25:52 Joining the International Tour as a Swing 38:02 Rapid Fire 43:23 Debating the Jellicle Choice Check out Aaron on Social Media: @aarondavidjenkins Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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2 months ago
58 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep226 - José Raúl, Swing on US National Tour 6
“Chrissie said that when Munkustrap admits Grizabella back into the tribe, that is Old Deuteronomy's confirmation that he is ready to lead the tribe.” Check out this latest episode with José Raúl, a talented swing performer from the US National Tour 6 of CATS. In this episode, José shares his unique experiences playing various roles in the iconic musical, from his start in community theater to his upcoming role as the Rum Tum Tugger on Royal Caribbean's Oasis of the Seas. Dive deep into the world of theater as José discusses his insights on the show's sensuality, character dynamics, and the psychological impact of embodying a feline on stage. Hear his passion for the CATS universe, his thoughts on the Jellicle choice, and his excitement for the challenges and opportunities that come with performing on a cruise ship. Don't miss this fascinating conversation about the magic of CATS and the life of a dedicated performer. 01:39 Community Theater and First Role in CATS 02:45 Exploring Sensuality and Sexuality in CATS 08:39 The Expansion of the CATS Universe 16:50 Challenges and Insights of Being a Swing 24:09 Character Development and Relationships 31:26 Reflecting on the Feline Experience 36:09 Excitement for the Royal Caribbean Cruise Performance 44:39 Rapid Fire Questions Check out José on Instagram: ⁠@joserauliii Check out José's website: www.joseraul.org Check out Oasis of the Seas: royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/oasis-of-the-seas Produced by: ⁠Alan Seales⁠ & ⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠ Social Media: @⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 months ago
1 hour 1 minute

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep225 - Michael Guerriere, Skimbleshanks in 2025 Shawnee Playhouse Production of CATS
“I started to realize that Skimble had a little bit of a cheeky side to him and that’s the thing I wanted to balance out along with his meticulous side.” This episode features Michael Guerriere who recently played Skimbleshanks in the Shawnee Playhouse 2025 production of CATS. They discuss Michael's introduction to CATS, his character development process for Skimbleshanks, and the unique experience of performing with a different Grizabella each night. Michael shares his intricate approach to doing makeup and reflects on the trust and camaraderie built during the production. 0:48 Michael's History with CATS 03:22 Diving into the Role of Skimbleshanks 09:36 Unique Production Elements 14:26 Building Trust and Overcoming Challenges 17:46 Memorable Moments and Makeup 22:21 Rapid Fire Questions Check out Michael's Website: www.michaelguerriere.com Check out Michael on Instagram: @mike_guerriere Check out Shawnee Playhouse on Instagram: ⁠⁠@theshawneeplayhouse⁠⁠ Check out Shawnee Playhouse's website: ⁠⁠www.shawneeplayhouse.org⁠⁠ Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 months ago
36 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
From The Vault: Fergie L. Philippe, Old Deuteronomy at Elon University
From The Vault: Originally released on December 14, 2020, this was Episode 32 with Fergie L. Philippe who was Old Deuteronomy at Elon University's production of CATS and is currently on tour with Beauty and the Beast. This episode features Fergie L. Philippe who stars as James Madison in the Broadway production of Hamilton but also played a wild weekend as Old Deuteronomy during the Elon University Production of CATS. Fergie shares how his Elon production utilized a Beyonce and Elvis cat, how CATS influenced his career, and how we would cast Hamilton characters as Cats aka HamilCATS. Check out Fergie on all social media platforms: @fergsters95 Check out Beauty and the Beast: beautyandthebeastthemusical.com Produced by: ⁠Alan Seales⁠ & ⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠ Social Media: @⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 months ago
53 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Bonus: Crossover Episode With The Theatre Podcast & Ian Knauer
When two podcasts collide, the conversation gets wild — and that’s exactly what happened when Mike Abrams of The Wrong Cat Died joined me for this crossover episode with actor Ian Knauer. We cover Ian’s journey through Broadway, the West End, regional theater, and even his time performing on Disney Cruise Line. Along the way, Ian shares the perseverance it took to finally land Cats after years of auditioning, what it was like stepping into the role of Jafar at sea, and how those experiences shaped his career both onstage and off. Of course, with Mike in the room, we couldn’t resist diving headfirst into the eternal Cats debate — was Grizabella really the right choice, or did the wrong cat die? Ian makes a compelling case for Old Deuteronomy, and things only get livelier from there. From cruise ship lore to Broadway memories to a game of “Did the Wrong Cat Die?” reimagined with iconic stage and screen deaths, this episode is equal parts thoughtful and hilarious. Ian Knauer’s career spans Broadway (Anastasia), the West End (Dirty Rotten Scoundrels), national tours, regional theater (Cats, White Christmas), and concert and film appearances. A University of Michigan graduate, he has also performed with Disney Cruise Line as a Broadway guest artist, where he delighted audiences as Jafar in Aladdin and beyond. This episode is powered by WelcomeToTimesSquare.com, the billboard where you can be a star for a day. Connect with Ian and Mike: Ian's Instagram: @theianknauer Ian's website: www.ian-knauer.com Mike Abrams’ podcast: The Wrong Cat Died Mike Abrams' Instagram: @thewrongcatdied Connect with The Theatre Podcast: Support the podcast on Patreon and watch video versions of the episodes: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/TheTheatrePodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter & Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@theatre_podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook.com/OfficialTheatrePodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheTheatrePodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Alan's personal Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@alanseales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email me at feedback@thetheatrepodcast.com. I want to know what you think. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 months ago
53 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep224 - Erik Simon, Macavity in 2025 Shawnee Playhouse Production of CATS
“I am barely five one. Macavity was not a role that I ever thought I would be in the running for because he's typically the tallest in the show but he doesn't have to be. He is the Napoleon of crime.” Join host Mike Abrams as he chats with Erik Simon, an actor with a deep history in the world of CATS. Erik recounts his journey from childhood fascination with T.S. Eliot’s poems and the original London cast recording, to experiencing the immersive Winter Garden Theater performance at a young age. Listen as Erik recalls his pivotal moments in high school’s first amateur CATS production in North America and his recent portrayal of Macavity in the Shawnee Playhouse's 2025 production. Discover Erik’s insights into character development, the shadow-casting of the 2019 CATS movie, and the enduring legacy of CATS in his life. This episode dives into fandom lore, unique staging choices, and personal anecdotes that show why CATS remains a beloved and complex piece of musical theater. 00:55 Erik's Early Fandom 07:43 High School Production of CATS 12:43 Shawnee Playhouse Production 17:17 Multi-Generational Cast Experience 19:26 Revisiting CATS After 20 Years 23:15 Shadow Casting the 2019 CATS Movie 31:59 Fandom Lore and Interpretations 40:13 Exploring Macavity's Character 47:47 Rapid Fire Check out Erik on Instagram: @curiousbeasttm Check out Shawnee Playhouse on Instagram: ⁠@theshawneeplayhouse⁠ Check out Shawnee Playhouse's website: ⁠www.shawneeplayhouse.org⁠ Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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3 months ago
58 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
BONUS - Celebrating 6 Years
In this special bonus episode we celebrate the podcast's six-year anniversary with the show’s producer Alan Seales who is also the host of The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales and the Co-Founder of the Broadway Podcast Network. Mike and Alan reflect on the origins of the podcast, memorable moments, and the evolving journey of analyzing and interpreting the musical CATS. Mike shares his experiences interviewing Broadway stars, the unexpected depth of the CATS fan community, and his dreams for future productions. Listen in for fascinating stories, insights, and a look at what the future holds for The Wrong Cat Died. Check out The Theatre Podcast on Instagram: ⁠@theatre_podcast⁠ Check out The Theatre Podcast on Tik Tok: ⁠@thetheatrepodcast⁠ Check out The Theatre Podcast's Website: ⁠bpn.fm/ttp Produced by: ⁠Alan Seales⁠ & ⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠ Social Media: @⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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4 months ago
28 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep223 - Michael Robert-Lowe, Old Deuteronomy on the International Tour
“Chrissie Cartwright wants more than anything, she wants specificity. So she doesn’t necessarily need to know what all of the relationships are that you’re playing, as long as it’s clear.” In this newest episode, we chat with Michael Robert-Lowe, the actor currently playing Old Deuteronomy in the International tour of CATS. They dive into Michael's journey with the show, his thoughts on the character dynamics, and how he interprets various elements of the musical. From discussing the musical's cultural impact across various countries to entertaining theories about Old Deuteronomy’s role, this episode offers fans an insightful and engaging look behind the scenes of this beloved production. 01:07 Michael’s Journey with CATS 07:07 Experiences on the International Tour 15:27 Interacting with Fans 20:36 Old Deuteronomy's Decision-Making Process 30:28 The Sacrificial Gesture of Old Deuteronomy 31:32 Interpreting Relationships and Hierarchies 33:06 Character Evolution and Cast Changes 36:38 Audience Interaction and Immersion 43:39 Rapid Fire Check out Michael on Social Media: @michaelrobertlowe Check out the International Tour of CATS: ⁠tour.catsthemusical.com⁠ Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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4 months ago
1 hour

The Wrong Cat Died
Ep222 - David Armstrong, Author & Podcast Host of Broadway Nation
“Some people might say CATS is a ripoff of A Chorus Line. I don’t want to go that far but it’s remarkably similar. I think it’s sort of a doppelganger of A Chorus Line.” In this episode, host Mike Abrams welcomes David Armstrong, a fellow Broadway Podcast Network host and author of the newly published book Broadway Nation. They delve into the rich history of Broadway musicals, highlighting the significant influences and connections, including how the iconic musical CATS ties into this history. Armstrong shares fascinating insights about the evolution of Broadway from his podcast and University of Washington course, the criteria behind the Jellicle choice, and how reality shows like 'Queen for a Day' may have influenced Broadway storytelling. 00:53 David’s Broadway Journey 01:22 The Evolution from Podcast to Book 07:26 The Impact of A Chorus Line on CATS 08:17 The British Theater Transformation 12:16 The Reality Show Parallel 27:54 Assigning CATS to Students 28:39 Discussing the 2019 Movie 35:17 The Jellicle Choice Debate Check out Broadway Nation on Instagram: @davidatbroadwaynation Check out the Broadway Nation Podcast Check out the Broadway Nation Book Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alan Seales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Broadway Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Social Media: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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4 months ago
47 minutes

The Wrong Cat Died
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.