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Unrefined Podcast .com
Brandon Spain & Lindsy Waters
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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E188 God-Shaped Not Me-Shaped

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Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Anthony Delgado to talk about prayer that actually forms you instead of turning into a spiritual transaction. They unpack why so many believers say “I prayed and it didn’t work,” and how that often reveals we were aiming prayer at the wrong target. Anthony frames the Lord’s Prayer as more than a model or a script it’s a theology of prayer shaped by God, rooted in the Fatherhood of God, and meant to draw us into communion that reshapes desire, identity, and daily life.

The episode also gets honest about performance-oriented prayer culture, the difference between fervency as trust vs fervency as manipulation, and why starting with adoration changes everything. Along the way they hit liturgy, sacramental imagination, memorialism vs real presence, and practical on-ramps for people who feel distant from God or feel stuck praying only for outcomes.

The book: God-Shaped Prayer

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https://www.anthonydelgado.net/

Podcast: Biblical Re-Enchantment

https://www.youtube.com/@AnthonyDelgadoBR

Timestamps:
00:00:50 Welcome back Anthony Delgado and why this book matters
00:02:54 Why Anthony wrote God-Shaped Prayer and the church context
00:05:05 What makes this Lord’s Prayer book different
00:07:09 Biblical theology angle tracing motifs through Scripture
00:09:34 Prayer as communion with the Father not fear of praying wrong
00:12:01 Why “Our Father” hits different for the original audience
00:14:22 What God-shaped prayer means shaped by God not our rules
00:16:45 Neo-spiritual “asking the universe” vs Christian prayer
00:19:07 Starting with nearness our Father before awe and holiness
00:23:50 Writing a “useful book” something to chew on every page
00:26:09 The real goal of prayer and the fervency confusion
00:28:31 Identity first not performance and the father’s lap picture
00:30:09 What Anthony prayed like before and the ACTS framework
00:32:30 Why adoration and confession come first then thanksgiving
00:37:19 Sacramental imagination word and table and worship as formation
00:42:01 Memorialism vs real presence and obedience as receiving blessing
00:46:35 Prayer and Eucharistic life as fleeing the giants of the world
00:58:30 Where to start if you feel distant from God rule of prayer
01:03:14 Posture and the body in prayer and neural pathways
01:05:38 Where to find Anthony online and his podcast work
01:07:59 Workbook announcement and how it’s structured
01:10:03 Anthony prays the Lord’s Prayer themes over listeners


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E187 Talking "Fringe" Without Causing a Family Intervention

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Some conversations begin with a whisper… and before you know it, you’re knee-deep in the strange world of fringe theories, spiritual puzzles, and the awkward silence that follows when you bring them up at dinner. In this episode, we lean into the art of talking about the unseen without losing your spouse, your friends, or your social standing. Cohost Jen Parks joins us to break down how to communicate the blurry stuff with wisdom, patience, humor, and a whole lot of relational finesse. We get into cognitive dissonance, defensiveness, spiritual warfare, and why you can’t fire-hose your way into someone’s worldview. From coffee-pot analogies to puzzle-piece theology, this conversation is packed with practical tools for anyone trying to introduce fringe topics to the people they love. It’s part communication workshop, part spiritual formation, and part, “Please don’t think I’m crazy.”

OHH- and there's a "new guy" (cohost) you get to meet in this one!

Timestamps:
00:00:51 Setting up today’s topic: fringe talk without scaring people
00:02:10 Jen shares what inspired this episode
00:03:15 Persuasion, winsome speech, and Proverbs 25:11
00:04:50 Fear, pride, and defensiveness in conversations
00:05:36 Cognitive dissonance explained
00:07:20 Intent behind questions and how Jesus handled it
00:09:45 Asking the Holy Spirit for the right words
00:10:22 Evangelism through questions
00:11:45 You’re the coffee pot principle
00:12:43 Trajectory and small shifts over time
00:13:50 Insider language and jargon problems
00:15:05 Relationship before explanation
00:17:16 Percolator analogy and slow spiritual conversations
00:18:50 Bigfoot, breadcrumbs, and worldview expansion
00:19:38 Why fringe topics matter to spiritual formation
00:22:00 Friendship before being “right”
00:24:18 Women's approach: you can influence, not control
00:26:45 Husbands as protectors and guardrails
00:28:55 Band of Brothers: “salute the rank, not the man”
00:31:33 Asking questions and listening well
00:33:47 Fire-hosing vs slow growth
00:36:07 Early experiences listening to fringe podcasts
00:38:25 The “all knowledge” paper and circle analogy
00:40:41 Using secondhand listening at home
00:42:52 Growth, discernment, and humility
00:45:17 Requesting reciprocal respect
00:47:42 Don’t make it hard for someone to change their mind
00:49:36 Conspiracy pitfalls and being honest about “I don’t know”
00:52:03 Collecting puzzle pieces and lifelong learning
00:54:28 The glory of kings to search a matter out
00:55:43 Closing encouragement and future episode topics


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E186 Pagan Panic or Holy Night?

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Every December, it feels like the internet dusts off the same “Christmas is pagan” memes and lobs them into everyone’s feeds, and honestly… I’m over it. In this conversation, I sit down with Lindsy and our guest co-navigator Jennifer to ask where these claims actually came from and whether they hold up to real history. We talk about early church evidence for celebrating Jesus’ birth in December, why conception dates mattered in the ancient world, and how sacred time belongs to God—not Saturn, Mithras, or Yuletide spirits. We also unravel Alexander Hislop’s The Two Babylons, Nimrod conspiracies, green man imagery, and the fear that you might be “accidentally” worshiping other gods by putting up a tree. Along the way, we hit on mission, sacred space, and why intent matters more than internet paranoia. If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re allowed to enjoy Christmas without guilt, this one’s for you with Dr. Judd Burton.


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Timestamps:
00:03:16 Is Christmas actually pagan?
00:05:39 Why celebrating Jesus’ birth matters
00:07:56 Birth vs conception and sacred timing
00:10:20 Shepherds, winter flocks, and December
00:12:42 Saturnalia and Sol Invictus explained
00:15:08 Constantine myths and Jesus image
00:17:24 Yuletide, grottos, and reclaiming sites
00:19:20 St Nicholas, Nicaea, and legend
00:21:45 Enter Alexander Hislop and Two Babylons
00:23:59 Nimrod, Apkalū, and pareidolia
00:26:17 Fear, deception, and trusting God vs the devil
00:28:33 Magi, astrology, and God using pagan culture
00:31:00 Christmas trees, Asherah poles, and intent
00:33:08 Law, grace, and going back under Torah
00:35:31 Demonic counterfeits and mythic archetypes
00:37:52 Generational attacks, giants, and cosmic war
00:40:14 Real danger of anti-Christmas teaching
00:42:35 Judd’s projects, classes, and Christmas studies


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E185 Glory and Truth: Why Christmas is Biblical

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Some conversations feel like stepping into a warm room full of light, and this one definitely did. In this episode, we drift into that holiday crossroads where Scripture, history, memes, and misguided internet theology all collide. We talk about why Christmas is far more ancient, sacred, and deeply biblical than most people ever imagine, and why the “pagan origins” claims collapse under even a little sunlight. The conversation moves from the fall, to Abraham, to the prophets, to the early church, and then out into global Christian traditions that celebrate the incarnation in wildly different cultural ways. We explore unity vs. uniformity, Christian liberty, spiritual warfare, evangelism, and the beauty of Advent. And best of all — we unpack how the theology of Christmas leads us straight into worship, mission, and joy. Welcome back Dr. Rob Solberg.

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Timestamps:
00:56:00 Entering the “holiday zone”
01:05:00 Theology of Christmas book discussion
01:20:00 Why write a defense of Christmas
01:45:00 Offense and defense in ministry
03:18:00 Dealing with fringe teachings
05:43:00 The deeper story behind Christmas
08:09:00 Old Testament promises and patterns
10:32:00 Incarnation as the second most important event
12:52:00 Joy, celebration, and biblical precedent
15:00:00 Birth narratives in ancient biography
17:16:00 The liminal era of the early church
19:30:00 How Christmas emerged historically
21:52:00 Arbitrary dates and Christian liberty
24:11:00 Celtic incarnational influence
26:29:00 Evangelism opportunities at Christmas
28:51:00 Cultures, unity, and contextualization
31:03:00 Spiritual warfare and distraction
33:24:00 Why the book is so convincing
35:46:00 Hanukkah, Purim, and man-made festivals
38:10:00 Christian liberty and non-essentials
40:34:00 Kindness, humility, and internet debate
42:59:00 Uniformity vs. unity in church history
45:23:00 What Christians should bring back to Christmas
47:45:00 Rich theology in old Christmas hymns
50:08:00 How the Advent study guide works
52:29:00 Rob’s dissertation on Jews and Gentiles
54:47:00 Roots of Gentile-majority church
57:11:00 False teachers and humility


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E184 The Hybrid Files : Reading the Bible With Both Eyes Open

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This conversation pulls you straight into the wild, wonderful, and deeply supernatural world woven into the pages of Scripture. We explore ancient bloodlines, cosmic rebellions, hybrid beings, and the strange clues most Christians skip right over because they were never taught how to look for them. Adam walks us through his “warehouse manager” method of reading the Bible — tracking patterns, identifying anomalies, and letting the text define its own boundaries. From Ezekiel’s “wicked conception rituals” to the kings and princes ruling unseen nations, the conversation raises big, honest questions about what the biblical authors actually believed. We also dive into good vs. evil Nephilim, hybrid bloodlines in Judges, angelic kings, and why context matters more than commentary. And somehow we still ended up talking about lion-men, giants in Virginia, and alien abductions. It’s a ride — and it’s gloriously unrefined.

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Timestamps:
00:00:07 Hybridization and giants
00:00:27 Welcome intro and setup
00:01:05 Adam Ferris reintroduced
00:01:40 Fringe reading of Scripture
00:02:32 Discernment and truth
00:02:50 Clown-Nephilim story
00:03:40 Introducing good Nephilim
00:04:40 Adam’s journey into supernatural reading
00:05:30 Warehouse-manager Bible method
00:06:30 The Bible as survival story
00:07:35 Firmament and rakia
00:08:40 Hebrew descriptive language
00:09:20 Ethiopian Bible note
00:10:30 Human/giant co-existence
00:11:57 Lion-men and design
00:12:40 Suspending unbelief
00:12:56 Ezekiel and conception rituals
00:14:50 70 ancient ones
00:15:14 Sons of scribes and corruption
00:16:20 Tower of Babel reconsidered
00:17:14 Nimrod and first kings
00:18:20 Princes, kings, and domains
00:19:37 Angelic princes in Daniel
00:20:40 Cherub forms and ox imagery
00:22:03 Egyptian gods and animal forms
00:23:40 Corrupted creation
00:24:19 Perverting all flesh
00:25:14 Occult symbolism
00:26:24 1900s shift
00:27:20 Hybridization and Babel again
00:28:50 Psalm 76 and rulers
00:29:40 Kings as spiritual beings
00:30:40 Melchizedek discussion begins
00:31:16 Melchizedek as spiritual king
00:32:30 Priesthood without lineage
00:33:40 Heavenly hierarchy on earth
00:34:20 Second incursion question
00:35:20 Ham and Canaan connection
00:36:01 New Testament angel warnings
00:36:40 DNA dilution arguments
00:37:14 Alien abductions discussion
00:38:22 Giants in early Virginia
00:39:10 Government deception theory
00:40:41 Evolution of good Nephilim
00:41:22 Judges and hybrid heroes
00:42:30 Distinguishing gibbor language
00:43:10 Mighty men patterns
00:45:11 Evidence vs certainty
00:46:20 Prayer and discernment
00:47:32 Organic reading of Scripture
00:48:30 God using giant judges
00:49:54 Spiritual identities of Nephilim
00:50:40 Demon origins debate
00:51:20 Legion and the pigs
00:52:15 Final thoughts
00:52:56 Where to find Adam


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E183 Seeing the MESSIAH

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This discussion explores why some visions carry weight, how to separate hallucinations from objective phenomena, and why believers shouldn’t jump to theological conclusions from every paranormal moment. We compare modern apparition research to the biblical resurrection accounts and find powerful similarities and key differences. Ultimately, this conversation asks a bold question: what exactly does it mean to “see” the Messiah — and how do we discern truth in a world overflowing with spiritual noise?
Featuring Dr. Jonathan Kendall and Matthew McGuire.

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Timestamps:
00:00:54 Setting up today’s topic on visions and the risen Christ
 00:01:53 Defining terms and simplifying concepts
 00:03:20 Jonathan’s background & fascination with the paranormal
 00:05:12 Apparitions and how Allison’s work sparked research
 00:06:25 Criteria for verifying visions
 00:08:00 Modern apparition research explained
 00:10:31 Differentiating hallucinations from objective encounters
 00:12:01 Intentional apparition projection experiments
 00:13:37 Bi-location and projecting consciousness
 00:15:40 Altered states and apparition experiences
 00:16:25 Emotional vs relaxed mental states in encounters
 00:18:10 Large-scale religious apparitions (Fatima, Medjugorje, Zytoon)
 00:19:39 Cultural flavor in apparition experiences
 00:21:38 Subjective interpretation meeting objective events
 00:23:10 Cultural biases around Eastern vs Western experiences
 00:24:12 Comparing biblical resurrection accounts to modern reports
 00:26:42 Tangibility of apparitions (touching, eating, physicality)
 00:28:31 Apparitions of the living vs the dead
 00:29:40 Dopplegangers and apparition folklore
 00:30:19 Iceland’s phylgia phenomenon
 00:31:24 Government interest in psychic projection
 00:32:20 Differences between Jesus’ appearances and modern apparitions
 00:33:26 “Apparitional greatest hits” theory
 00:36:03 The Mary-at-the-grave encounter
 00:37:28 Touch, physicality, and post-resurrection behavior
 00:38:15 Comparing Jonathan & Matthew’s approaches
 00:40:26 Denominational views on visions
 00:41:20 Personal rose-scent encounter
 00:42:22 Olfactory apparitions
 00:44:35 Why apparitions require energy
 00:46:20 Why some apparitions are subtle, not dramatic
 00:47:43 Contrasting Jonathan’s views with Dale Allison’s
 00:49:36 Reliability of Gospel accounts
 00:50:34 The Lubavitcher Rebbe resurrection claims
 00:52:05 Apparitions within the Chabad movement
 00:53:57 How the church can recover biblical imagination
 00:56:21 Staying grounded while exploring the supernatural
 00:58:18 Why paranormal data can create metaphysical tension
 01:00:39 How believers can discern authentic spiritual experiences
 01:02:19 Avoiding “Satan of the gaps” thinking
 01:03:57 Key takeaway for skeptical listeners
 01:04:30 Scientific materialism is dead
 01:05:44 UFO encounter seen by family member
 01:06:42 Upcoming book announcement
 01:08:35 Personal paranormal story about Milo the cat
 01:11:07 UFO sighting above the tree line


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E182 The Bark Side of the Moon

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This episode takes you straight into the eerie pinewoods of Mississippi, where cryptid researcher Marcus Ellis returns with spine-tingling encounters of Bigfoot, Chupacabras, and the terrifying Dogman. Brandon and Lindsy listen as Marcus describes physical and supernatural encounters—creatures that walk on two legs, vanish into thin air, and leave witnesses shaken for life. From the haunted farmland of Taylor Mississippi to the blood-drained livestock near Sky Lake, Marcus shares firsthand accounts and explains why he believes Dogman isn’t just flesh and blood—it’s something darker. By the end, the hosts wrestle with the question: how do you hunt something that already knows where you live?

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Timestamps
00:00:07 Threats from the unknown
00:00:27 Intro to the episode
00:00:54 Welcoming Marcus Ellis back
00:03:22 Leaving MUFON and returning to the field
00:05:48 Growing interest in Dogman reports
00:08:14 What is Dogman? Definition and traits
00:10:39 Good vs. bad cryptid encounters
00:13:01 Supernatural traits of Dogman
00:15:24 Skinwalker Ranch connections and hitchhiker effect
00:17:49 Thermal footage of Dogwoman and pup
00:20:12 Dogman sightings across Mississippi
00:22:34 Chupacabra cases and livestock killings
00:25:01 The “Killer Chupacabras of Mississippi” case
00:27:28 Evidence of interdimensional or demonic nature
00:29:54 Farmer attacks the creature with his truck
00:32:20 Eyewitness encounters near Sky Lake
00:34:43 Eyewitness confirmation at a trade show
00:37:05 No new Chupacabra reports since
00:39:12 Dogman sightings throughout the state
00:41:35 Marcus’s personal Dogman encounter
00:43:39 Witness stories from South Mississippi
00:46:04 The lovers-lane Dogman story
00:48:30 Arkansas encounter—Dogman points the hunter home
00:50:57 Discussion on Dogman intelligence
00:53:21 Fear vs. terror—how Dogman encounters differ
00:55:25 “One case busts the paradigm”
00:57:52 Why Dogmen rarely kill
01:00:19 Missing persons, military cover-ups, and LBL shutdowns
01:02:44 Safety in cryptid research and GPS tracking
01:05:08 People underestimate what’s in the woods
01:06:07 Spiritual side of cryptid research
01:08:15 Why Marcus does the work he does
01:10:39 Do some people attract cryptids?
01:13:06 Gifting and dangers of feeding Sasquatch
01:15:27 Spiritual caution and dependency
01:17:45 Marcus’s projects and groups
01:20:08 Winterville Mounds and Nephilim connections
01:24:49 Choctaw oral tradition of fighting giants
01:27:07 Native American mounds and Smithsonian cover-up
01:29:35 Global giant traditions and Nephilim migrations
01:31:57 Closing thoughts and future plans


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E181 Widespread Panic? Or Widespread Programming?

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In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy, and cohost Jennifer Parks dive into the history and fallout of the 1980s “Satanic Panic,” focusing on the rise and fall of Christian comedian Mike Warnke. They unpack how Warnke’s book The Satan Seller and testimony about being a former Satanic high priest helped spark nationwide hysteria—and how later investigations unraveled parts of his story, leading to his public disgrace. The trio explores the broader cultural forces at play, from media manipulation and government psyops to church fear-mongering, and reflect on how believers treat fallen heroes. The conversation weaves humor, empathy, and insight into fear-based religion, false memory syndrome, and grace in the aftermath of failure.

Timestamps:

00:00:54 Welcome
 00:03:13 Who was Mike Warnke?
 00:05:30 Warnke’s early life and beginnings
 00:07:52 His rise as a Christian comedian
 00:10:18 Testimony of salvation in bootcamp
 00:12:40 Did Warnke cause the Satanic Panic?
 00:14:47 “Michelle Remembers” and false memory roots
 00:17:10 Church mysticism and altered states
 00:19:36 The rise of the Satanic Panic
 00:21:55 Fear, media, and moral hysteria
 00:24:17 McMartin case and guilt by association
 00:26:43 Cornerstone Magazine exposes Warnke
 00:29:09 Divorce, the church, and hypocrisy
 00:31:30 Self-righteousness and judgment
 00:33:52 How do we treat fallen believers?
 00:36:16 Jeffrey Victor’s The Satanic Panic and anti-supernatural bias
00:38:39 Reason, discernment, and the Wesleyan quadrilateral
00:41:03 If Satan can’t stop you, he’ll push you too far
00:43:25 How love treats fallen heroes
00:45:52 Shame vs conviction in Christian life
00:48:16 Grace and the value of people
00:50:36 Church discipline and restoration
00:52:59 Modern fallout and confused truth
00:55:21 The Delphi murders and Odinism connection
00:57:45 Government psyops and the “deep cult”
01:00:03 CIA, media control, and discrediting SRA
01:02:28 Where is Mike Warnke now?
01:04:46 Brokenness, mercy, and redemption
01:06:51 Grace, judgment, and final reflections


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E180 The Serpent Said WHAT?

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Some ideas belong in the theological recycle bin—this episode takes on one of them. We unpack the “serpent seed” doctrine, where it came from, why it keeps resurfacing, and how it collapses under Hebrew, history, and the church fathers. We trace its Gnostic fingerprints, show how it fuels bad fruit (including racist distortions), and contrast it with the biblical “seed” theme fulfilled in Christ. We also sort out why people confuse Genesis 3 with Genesis 6 and how presentism, isogesis, and click-driven sensationalism muddy the waters. Along the way: Irenaeus, Heiser, Zohar, Ophites, Branham/Murray, and why sound doctrine must marry reason and the supernatural. We wrap with practical tests for spotting heresy and a call back to creedal foundations that love the real Jesus. Today we, welcome back Dr. Judd Burton.

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Timestamps

 00:00:08 Creedal foundation
 00:00:28 Show intro
 00:00:56 Guest setup
 00:03:11 What is serpent seed
 00:05:36 Deception is moral
 00:07:38 Language and training
 00:09:43 Interest vs. authority
 00:12:08 Fathers refuted it
 00:14:31 Gnostic sources cited
 00:16:57 Zohar/Kabbalah misuse
 00:19:19 Racist applications
 00:21:26 Fruit test of doctrine
 00:23:48 Nephilim vs serpent seed
 00:26:13 Projecting Gen 6
 00:33:03 Crushing the serpent
 00:35:10 Seed ≠ DNA only
 00:37:34 Presentism cautions
 00:39:43 Evidence and humility
 00:42:08 Emergent/Gnostic drift
 00:44:30 Deconstruction nuance
 00:46:51 Creed over tribe
 00:49:17 Unraveling danger
 00:51:39 Torah and grace
 00:54:05 Final thanks


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E178 The Cost of Modern Christianity

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This conversation peels back the glossy veneer on modern church culture and asks what Jesus actually had in mind. We talk megachurch money, the “business model” of religion, and whether tithing-as-law was ever the point. Amy unpacks the influencer pastor era, the pressure-cooker system that breeds burnout, and why Acts-style fellowship (shared tables, rotating teachers, real accountability) still works. We compare Sunday stage shows to small, Spirit-led communities and ask if the apostles would even recognize our churches. From Laodicea warnings to Watchman Nee–style generosity, we press into discipleship over attendance. It’s frank, hopeful, and aimed at reform from the inside out with one of our favorite guests- Amy from Eyes on the Right podcast!

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Timestamps:
00:01:00 Exposing the business of Christianity
00:02:47 Mention of “The Religious Business” documentary
00:05:08 Heart posture vs church consumerism
00:07:29 Institutional systems and fallen influence
00:09:42 Pastoral pressure and spiritual burnout
00:11:56 Success measured by butts in pews
00:14:23 What is church? The body of Christ
00:16:42 Pedestal pastors and misplaced focus
00:18:59 Shared teaching and authentic leadership
00:21:25 Comparing Acts church to modern models
00:22:05 Tithing vs New Covenant generosity
00:24:32 Giving as worship and heart posture
00:26:45 Generosity, reaping, and sowing in faith
00:29:05 Can the megachurch model be redeemed?
00:31:22 Laodicea church and spiritual blindness
00:33:43 House church rhythm and online fellowship
00:36:03 Would the apostles recognize our churches?
00:38:19 One-anothering and real fellowship
00:40:41 Why recovery groups feel like real church
00:43:07 Transparency, confession, and authentic ministry
00:45:26 Amy’s story — “Get up” and walk again
00:47:46 Prayer for the church and believers
00:49:53 Guest plugs and final thoughts


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E177 The C👁️‍🗨️A's Greatest Hits

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Brandon and Lindsy welcome a guest who cracks open a hidden dossier on culture-war psyops—where protest songs, psychedelics, and carefully scripted narratives intertwine. Listeners are led through a labyrinth of acid parties that weren’t so “free,” Laurel Canyon salons doubling as distribution hubs, and elite families underwriting a psychedelic renaissance that looks far less organic than advertised. From Lennon to Hendrix, Cobain to Tupac, the names you thought were untouchable are revealed as pawns in a much bigger game. This conversation pulls the velvet curtain back on COINTELPRO echoes in hip-hop, the strange survival of “sex & rock ’n’ roll” while “no drugs” artists vanished, and the shift from vinyl manipulation to viral manipulation.  Guiding us through this maze of evidence and implication is researcher and filmmaker John Potash.

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Timestamps

 00:52 Setting up today’s topic – hidden war through drugs & culture
 02:00 John Potash joins 
 03:15 John’s personal story with LSD and realization
 05:20 Counseling, corruption & activism background
 07:45 Oligarch fingerprints on U.S. intelligence
 10:00 How John got sources on Tupac & COINTELPRO
 12:10 CIA whistleblowers & early articles
 14:30 Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain & LSD distribution
 16:50 MKULTRA documents & acid in colleges/prisons
 19:10 Timothy Leary, Millbrook Mansion & the Mellons
 21:25 Ken Kesey, Merry Pranksters & the psychedelic bus
 23:50 Crisis-actor rumors about Tupac
 26:15 The Grateful Dead & acid tests
 28:30 How psychedelics weaken emotional control
 31:20 John Lennon’s story, Yoko Ono & manipulation
 33:35 Heroin as a control tactic & parallels with other artists
 36:00 Psychedelics today, ketamine, and medical narrative
 38:15 Funding links: MAPS, Heffter Institute & billionaires
 40:35 Church abuse, MKULTRA techniques still active
 42:55 John’s website, books & projects / closing thoughts


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E176 Shroud-Pilled: Science Meets Resurrection

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This episode peers into a relic shrouded in both legend and light—the mysterious cloth known as the Shroud of Turin. Brandon, Lindsy, and guest cohost Jen Parks trace its strange trail through history, where carbon dating collides with forensic detail, plasma bursts hint at hidden forces, and ancient lenses raise unsettling questions. Is it art, accident, or a fragment of resurrection itself? In this journey through science, faith, and the unexplained, we welcome back Dr. Trevor Lohman.

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Timestamps

 00:51 Welcome Back Dr. Trevor Lohman
 03:18 Initial thoughts on the Shroud
 05:39 First photograph and negative image
 08:06 Depth data and 3D qualities
 10:31 Skeptics vs believers
 12:50 Gospel accounts and contradictions
 15:12 Faith vs relic debates
 17:30 Forensic blood evidence
 19:53 Camera obscura theory
 22:16 Carbon dating controversy
 24:31 Tracing historical custody
 26:55 1988 carbon dating scandal
 29:18 Problems with raw data
 31:38 Explaining carbon dating
 34:00 Non-invasive dating evidence
 36:26 Historical chain back to Edessa
 38:42 Motives and skepticism
 41:05 Plasma discharge theory
 43:29 Double superficiality discovery
 45:53 Shroud uniqueness
 48:16 Free will and faith tension
 50:42 Protestant skepticism
 53:06 Trevor’s personal transformation
 55:18 Skeptical vs believer arguments
 57:39 AB blood and relic debates
 01:00:02 Resurrection significance
 01:02:26 Trevor’s podcast and other books


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1 hour 5 minutes

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E175 The Spirit Already in You

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This conversation takes a thoughtful, no-nonsense look at Spirit baptism, gifts, and the heart of what it means to walk in the Spirit. Brandon, Lindsy, and returning guest Clint Byars unravel the baggage around tongues, anointing, and impartation—while exposing how elitism and gnostic thinking have shaped Charismania. They wrestle through semantics, misunderstood doctrines, and real-life experiences of the Spirit, ultimately pointing back to the simplicity of being complete in Christ. From worship as warfare to fasting as a tool for training the flesh, this episode dives into how believers can yield to the Spirit without chasing after hype. Clint closes by sharing a powerful, holistic gospel message rooted in God’s love, freedom, and kingdom reality.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Understanding Spirit Baptism
00:45 Clint's Journey to Faith
02:23 The Role of the Holy Spirit
05:37 Semantics of Spirit Baptism
07:24 Misunderstandings in Pentecostalism
09:17 Gnosticism and Its Impact
10:46 Experiencing the Holy Spirit
13:49 The New Covenant and the Holy Spirit
17:22 Obedience vs. Dead Works
20:45 The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
21:11 Understanding Being Filled with the Spirit
23:12 The Role of the Spirit in Ministry
23:57 Receiving the Spirit: An Active Process
25:46 Contrasting Old and New Testament Experiences
26:36 Gnosticism and the Charismatic Movement
29:12 The Elitism of Spiritual Gifts
30:55 Understanding Spiritual Gifts in Community
33:01 The Toolbox of the Holy Spirit
36:47 Proactive Spiritual Warfare
39:46 Exploring Tongues and Prayer Language
42:48 The Quantum Connection: Consciousness and Creation
43:50 Praying with Authority: Co-laboring with God
45:56 The Power of Tongues: A Divine Gift Under Attack
48:06 Fasting and Spiritual Awareness: The Heart's Role
51:46 Understanding the Heart: The Bridge Between Spirit and Soul
57:24 The Gospel of the Kingdom: A Message of Love and Redemption


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1 hour 12 minutes

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E174 Watchers in the Walls: When the Stones Started Talking Back

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An ancient site older than history itself flips the script on everything we thought we knew about human origins, religion, and the unseen world. Brandon and Lindsy dig into the strange reality of massive stone structures that shouldn’t exist in the so-called Stone Age—carvings that hint at Watchers, sacred rituals, and even a hidden language lost to time. From ancestor worship and moon-gods to the shocking possibility that humanity’s first couple was deified in stone, this conversation uncovers connections that challenge archaeology, theology, and the very foundations of civilization.  Sure, this guest has been interviewed before—but never like this!

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Timestamps

00:06 Divine nature and cosmology
 03:16 Early assumptions about Gobekli Tepe
 05:42 Agriculture vs. ritual first
 08:08 Pre-agriculture abundance
 10:33 Was the site deliberately buried?
 12:47 Animal guardians and supernatural ties
 14:50 Connections to Watchers and cherubim
 17:17 Symbols, logograms, and proto-writing
 19:45 Luwian language theory
 24:28 Re-dating Gobekli Tepe to Bronze Age?
 26:48 Parallel cultures and locked technologies
 28:55 Explosion of civilization after the flood
 31:17 Natural resources vs. stones as religion
 33:41 Ancestor worship and sacred spaces
 36:07 Deified Adam and Eve imagery
 38:30 Fox pelt loincloths and Genesis echoes
 40:51 Council-like sacred rituals
 43:03 Skull fragments and burial practices
 45:20 Regeneration, vultures, and fertility
 47:43 Nimrod, Babel, and divine intervention
 50:05 What’s next in Aaron’s research
 52:23 Moon-god worship and biblical connections
 54:41 The wilderness of Sin
 56:57 Stones, ancestors, and biblical prohibitions
 59:23 Where to find Aaron’s work
 01:01:44 Patreon and Ancient Pathways resources
 01:04:07 Future hope for Gobekli Tepe research




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1 hour 6 minutes

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E173 How to Bury a Nephilim

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Something old is hiding in the text—older than creeds, louder than tradition, and it doesn’t like the light. Our returning guest slips us a trail of clues through Genesis 6, Psalm 82, and Deuteronomy 32, pointing to quiet edits, missing words, and a council in the shadows. If those changes are real, they don’t just touch giants—they press on the very name “Son of God.” The story widens: rabbis, translators, and empires trying to hush a supernatural thread that keeps resurfacing. And for reasons that feel uncomfortably current, that thread pulls on politics, bloodlines, and the way nations are discipled. We don’t exactly solve the mystery—but we hand you some compelling evidence with a map.

Timestamps

 00:57 Brandon’s wrestling-style intro 
 02:10 Why he wrote his new paper
 03:17 Pushback against the Nephilim worldview
 05:33 How rabbis altered texts in the 2nd century
 07:56 Augustine and Chrysostom’s naturalistic shift
 10:21 Two Powers in Heaven and early Jewish thought
 12:41 Jesus quoting Psalm 82 and its implications
 15:00 Masoretic vs Septuagint vs Dead Sea Scrolls
 17:21 Deliberate changes in Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82
 19:43 New Greek translations to counter the Septuagint
 22:10 Early church fathers’ awareness of text changes
 24:30 Speculation about anti-supernatural agendas
 26:56 Islam, henotheism, and Gnostic influence
 29:15 Jewish fables, genealogies, and textual variants
 31:44 Melchizedek, Shem, and genealogy manipulation
 34:04 Psalm 110 and begotten-before-the-dawn language
 36:32 Connections to Hebrews and Jesus as Melchizedek
 38:51 Why the Nephilim worldview faces modern resistance
 41:09 Tradition vs biblical interpretation in Reformed circles
 43:27 Augustine’s overwhelming influence
 45:32 Quickfire speculative questions for Doug
 47:57 Demythologizing scripture and politics
 50:23 Dispensationalism, Zionism, and modern Israel
 52:32 A biblical chiasm of 1–12–70–nations
 54:50 Paul before the Sanhedrin and watcher parallels
 57:15 Great Commission as discipling nations
 59:40 Two Israels, replacement theology debates


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1 hour 2 minutes

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E172 Celtic Fire for the Modern Church

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Ever wonder what the future of the church might look like if we tapped into its wild, earthy, and Spirit-filled roots? In this episode, your host Brandon Spain along with Matthew McGuire welcome back author Michael Mitton to explore the wisdom of Celtic Christianity. From sacred landscapes and supernatural encounters to rhythms of prayer, humility, and community, the conversation weaves together theology, history, and the supernatural. They dive into topics like sacred spaces, healing the land, women in ministry, charismatic gifts, and the role of humility in miracles. This one blends ancient faith with modern hunger for authenticity and renewal—and might just give us a glimpse of John 17 lived out.

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Timestamps:

 02:47 Roots of Celtic Christianity
 05:12 Physical prayer and worship
 07:30 Earthy everyday spirituality
 09:49 Protestant hesitation with Catholic practices
 12:11 Charismatic adoption of contemplative practices
 14:33 Weaving the strands of faith
 16:57 Sacred spaces and healing the land
 19:17 Contaminated land and cleansing stories
 21:38 Creation, nature, and avoiding new age distortions
 24:05 Celtic vs Roman view of human nature
 26:27 Patrick vs Augustine’s confessions
 28:53 Eastern and desert influences
 31:09 Solitude and community rhythm
 32:43 Anam Cara and soul friendship
 35:09 Spiritual direction and confession
 37:28 Green and white martyrdom
 39:51 Missionary adventure and divine restlessness
 42:05 Woven cord and Trinity emphasis
 44:28 Michael’s novel and magical realism
 45:40 Women in ministry in Celtic Christianity
 48:03 Brigid’s story and authority
 50:27 Charismatic gifts and humility
 52:50 Holiness and humility as prerequisites for miracles
 55:13 Eastern vs Western church architecture
 57:31 Favorite Celtic saints
 59:55 Future of the church


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1 hour 2 minutes

Unrefined Podcast .com
E171 The Magical Ducklings and the Kingdom of God

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What happens when a chaos magician encounters the living God? In this raw and unforgettable episode, Cole Harrison recounts his wild descent into psychedelic rituals, demonic possession, and occult deception — and the divine rescue that changed everything. From tripping in a basement drum circle to crying out to God in the Oregon wilderness, Cole’s story is a supernatural rollercoaster of redemption. Now, he’s flipping the script, ministering to the same crowd he once ran with — using music, tea, and the presence of Jesus in the middle of psychedelic festivals. It’s gritty, honest, and lit with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

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Guest Contact Info – Cole Harrison

  • Ministry Name: The Magical Ducklings
  • Email: info@themagicalducklings.com
  • YouTube: The Magical Ducklings on YouTube (new music and surround sound experiences shared here)

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Timestamps
00:06 Demonic encounter and heavenly intervention
 00:28 Introducing Cole Harrison
 02:44 Childhood spirituality and early artistic family background
 05:06 Drawn to the occult and discovery of witchcraft books
 07:27 Early black magic practices and spiritual fractures
 09:51 Arrest, rituals, and descent into chaos magic
 12:13 Drum-based spirit manipulation and psychedelic influence
 14:40 Traveling, manipulation magic, and Castaneda-inspired sorcery
 17:03 Introduction of sinister teacher and basement rituals
 19:32 Possession experiences during chaos drumming
 21:53 Demonic manifestations and internal torment
 24:16 Connection to Process Church similarities
 26:30 The complexity of electronic music and tripping
 28:55 Turning point in the woods, divine encounter
 31:16 Realization of deception at Grateful Dead concert
 33:40 Demon voices, self-harm, and deliverance in the woods
 36:01 Spiritual breakthrough and divine rescue
 38:15 Journey to Rainbow Gathering and continued torment
 40:36 Encounter with the Bread of Life kitchen and Jesus
 42:53 Full surrender, first Bible reading, and confirmation
 45:12 First deliverance experience in Dallas
 47:32 Filled with the Holy Spirit and slain in the spirit
 49:52 Ministry at Bonnaroo and psychedelic outreach
 52:10 Redeeming psychedelic culture through creative ministry
 54:22 What New Agers get right and wrong
 56:43 Reflections on theology, childhood, and spiritual fatherhood
 59:05 Psychedelics, mind control, and Laurel Canyon
 01:01:31 Supernatural love and genuine community in evangelism
 01:04:20 Media mind control and spiritual warfare
 01:06:44 Advice for those called to reach the fringes
 01:09:07 Embracing weirdness and creativity in ministry
 01:11:29 Where to find Cole’s music and final encouragement


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1 hour 13 minutes

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E170 Matter, Mind, and the Maker

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Ever wondered what happens when a neuroscientist follows the data and ends up finding God? This week, we sit down with Dr. Trevor Lohman, author of God’s Eye View, to explore the wild intersection of neuroscience, quantum physics, and biblical faith. From the double-slit experiment to the mystery of consciousness, Trevor walks us through how science isn't just compatible with belief in God—it might actually demand it. We also touch on microtubules, frequencies, and a future episode on the Shroud of Turin!

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Timestamps

00:09 Worldview, science, and truth
 01:08 Introducing Dr. Trevor Lohman
 02:51 Tesla, science conspiracies, and shadow history
 05:10 Growing up in scientism culture
 07:30 Shattered worldview and rise of skepticism
 09:56 Discovering the political and financial layers of science
 12:17 Personal background and corruption in healthcare
 14:39 Philosophy, quantum physics, and shifting perceptions
 16:56 Defining consciousness and free will
 19:16 Mind vs brain: is there a driver in the car?
 21:37 Observer effect and the self
 24:03 Supernatural interpretations of hallucinations
 26:22 Jesus, science, and the power of belief
 28:43 Science as method vs worldview
 31:07 Quantum physics and New Testament parallels
 33:07 Christians vs New Age belief in benevolence
 35:24 Encountering the gospel as an adult scientist
 37:48 The double-slit experiment explained
 42:32 Light as wave vs particle
 44:56 Consciousness collapses reality
 47:07 Simulation theory and rendering reality
 50:27 Co-creation and observation
 50:54 Entanglement and faster-than-light communication
 53:18 Special relativity and breaking it with entanglement
 55:37 Consciousness transmission vs production theories
 57:55 Microtubules as antennas of the soul
 01:00:20 Sleep, prayer, psychedelics, and consciousness
 01:02:26 Frequency, science, and spiritual overlap
 01:04:44 New age vs science: where's the line?
 01:07:01 Real definitions of frequency
 01:09:26 Psychedelics, dreams, and microtubules
 01:11:46 Radio waves, spiritual realms, and spectrum limits
 01:14:11 Frequency medicine and Alzheimer’s
 01:16:38 Why frequency-based health is underfunded
 01:19:01 Shifting focus to the soul and spiritual formation
 01:21:23 Shroud of Turin as scientific mystery
 01:23:48 Evidence for the shroud's authenticity
 01:26:13 Light, resurrection, and conception
 01:27:30 Future topics: AI, consciousness, and shroud
 01:27:56 Outro and contact info


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1 hour 29 minutes

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E169 Weird Is Biblical… and We’ve Got More Proof

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This conversation gets Holy Spirit wild!  We toss the religious rule book aside and step straight into the deep end of supernatural encounters—exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible, Old Testament prophets who acted in ways that would shock most church folks today, and how these experiences can’t be judged by outward appearance alone with returning guest Dr. Merrill Greene, author of Drunk in the Spirit.  Merrill unpacks both the scholarship and the strangeness, tying ecstatic experiences to solid biblical precedent, while Brandon shares some wild personal stories (including one about Sandy getting “glued” to the floor). From Saul’s prophetic nakedness to modern misunderstandings like “Kundalini” accusations, this episode pushes past fear, control, and skepticism to ask—what if God is stranger than we think, and closer than we realize?

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Timestamps
00:08 Saul’s example and modern parallels
00:27 Intro to the episode
01:00 Holy Spirit wild and Dr. Merrill Greene returns
02:50 From cessationist to charismatic
05:13 Brandon’s and Sandy’s personal encounters
07:35 Power of lived experience over doctrine
09:55 Old Testament altered states examples
12:16 Misunderstanding altered states in the West
14:26 Academic hesitation toward supernatural topics
16:41 Biblical illiteracy and ignoring the weird parts
19:03 Letting go of control for God’s purposes
21:17 Practicing and maturing in spiritual gifts
23:36 Signs that make you wonder
26:00 Ephesians 5:18 and spiritual intoxication
28:16 Tongues under the prophetic ecstasy umbrella
30:41 Biblical and extra-biblical perspectives
33:07 Archaeology, incense, and hallucinogenics
35:28 Strange fire and God’s terms for communication
37:50 Lonnie Frisbee and encountering Jesus despite drugs
39:55 Future revival and manifestations
42:25 Kundalini accusations and discernment of spirits
44:47 Mislabeling spirits and Catholic demonology
47:35 Closing and where to find Dr. Merrill Greene


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49 minutes

Unrefined Podcast .com
What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.