In this episode we sit down with two South Africans who know all about pressure, change, and starting again: former Springbok captain Corne Krige and blind adventurer and speaker Hein Wagner.They take us from leaving home for boarding school as young kids, to captaining the Springboks and crossing oceans, to starting businesses and building institutions that create opportunity for others.

Along the way we talk discipline, identity, independence, and what it really means to build a country that works for everyone.In this episode we cover:- Growing up far from home: boarding school at 4 and 5, and learning independence early- Corne’s journey from Zambia to Paarl Boys’ and captaining the Springboks on debut- Hein’s story of blindness, adventure, and crossing the Atlantic with a deaf skipper- Land-speed records, Cape Epic on a tandem, Ironman, and chasing challenge after challenge- The brutal England test, retiring from rugby, and starting over in business- Building discipline, resilience, and identity beyond a Springbok jersey- Moving to Sweden and how a different system changed Hein’s view of South Africa- Hein’s daughter’s leukemia, the Swedish healthcare system, and what “a country that works for everyone” can look likeAbout Winning the Away Game:We are Justinus Adriaanse and Flip van der Merwe. Connect with us on LinkedIn.Got a guest you’d love to see on the show? - Drop some suggestions in the comments and we’ll try to get them on the show. And if you have a question you think we should ask our guests? Let us know. Winning The Away Game is available on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, and on the Winning The Away Game website at www.wtagpodcast.com. Subscribe to our newsletter for latest releases and behind the scenes content. Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke