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Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Jay Tulloch, Warren Nugent
25 episodes
3 weeks ago
Hosted by Jay Tulloch and Warren Nugent, this podcast explores the intersection of design (UX), product management, and technology, with insights from industry leaders on leadership, trends, and hard-hitting topics.
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Hosted by Jay Tulloch and Warren Nugent, this podcast explores the intersection of design (UX), product management, and technology, with insights from industry leaders on leadership, trends, and hard-hitting topics.
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Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Nathalie Salas: The alchemist mindset is crucial for transforming industries.

In this episode, Natalie Salas, an experienced service designer and community builder, shares her journey into service design, emphasizing the importance of a holistic approach and the alchemist mindset.


She discusses the challenges of integrating service design within organizations, the impact of AI on the design process, and the innovative Pixel Debates format she has created to foster open dialogue and critical thinking in the design community.


The conversation highlights the need for designers to think beyond traditional roles and embrace a systems thinking approach to drive meaningful change.



Links:

Nathalie's LinkedIn

The Pixel Debate



Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Service Design and Natalie Salas

04:54 The Journey into Service Design

09:55 Understanding Service Design: Definitions and Mindset

14:43 The Role of Service Design in Organizations

19:44 Becoming an Alchemist: The Future of Design

24:57 Service Design in the UAE: Opportunities and Challenges

40:37 Navigating Enterprise Systems with Agility

41:49 The Transformative Power of AI in Service Design

46:45 Understanding AI's Role in Design and Decision Making

52:14 The Importance of Systems Thinking in Design

58:37 Pixel Debates: A New Approach to Design Conversations

01:11:33 Adapting to the Changing Job Market

01:16:30 The Future of Pixel Debates and Community Engagement




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3 weeks ago
1 hour 18 minutes 43 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Joe Fletcher: The Evolution of Design in the Age of AI

In this episode, we're with Joe Fletcher, discussing his journey in the tech industry, particularly in UX and AI. We explore the importance of understanding the history of design, the evolving landscape of AI, and how it impacts job roles in design. Joe emphasizes the need for adaptability, continuous learning, and the creative application of knowledge in the face of rapidly changing technology. The conversation also touches on team dynamics, the importance of input in AI, and the necessity of challenging traditional design processes to foster innovation.


Links:

Joe's Podcast

Joe's LinkedIn


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Background of Joe Fletcher

04:44 Adapting to the AI Landscape

09:32 The Importance of Understanding Fundamentals

12:51 Input vs Output in AI

19:06 The Future of Design Jobs

26:14 Coaching and Mindset in Design

31:27 Balancing Learning and Leadership

34:51 Embracing AI in Design

38:12 Challenging Traditional Design Processes

41:54 The Future of Design Teams

49:18 The Evolving Role of the Unicorn

54:19 Mindset and Adaptability in Design




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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes 26 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Jarvis Moore: True Creativity Thrives on Structure, the Power of Design Systems

Summary

In this episode, Jarvis Moore (Design Systems: LinkedIn & Microsoft) discusses the intricacies of design systems, sharing his journey from graphic design to specializing in this niche. He emphasizes the importance of understanding design systems, the roles of designers and developers, and the balance between flexibility and rigidity. The conversation also covers the significance of collaboration, governance, and measuring success in design systems, as well as the impact of AI on the future of design. Jarvis provides insights on how to get started with design systems, the importance of creativity within constraints, and the challenges of managing design debt.


Takeaways

  • Design systems are essential for cohesive product development.
  • Creativity can flourish within the structure of design systems.
  • Governance is crucial for maintaining a successful design system.
  • Design debt can accumulate if not managed properly.
  • AI has the potential to assist in managing design systems.
  • Collaboration between teams enhances the effectiveness of design systems.
  • Flexibility and rigidity must be balanced in design systems.
  • Getting leadership buy-in is vital for design system success.
  • Insight into the design landscape is key for governance.
  • The journey into design systems is unique for each individual.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Design Systems and Jarvis Moore's Journey

02:59 Understanding Design Systems: Misconceptions and Realities

05:46 Defining a Design System: Foundations and Flexibility

08:54 Getting Started with Design Systems: Initial Steps and Champions

12:02 The Role of Developers and Designers in Design Systems

14:57 Balancing Creativity and Structure in Design Systems1

7:46 Processes and Collaboration in Design Systems

20:52 Building a Centralized vs. Decentralized Design System Team

23:54 The Importance of Embedded Engineers in Design Systems

26:49 Convincing Leadership: The Business Case for Design Systems

29:43 The Future of Design Systems: Headless Systems and Design Tokens

44:31 The Importance of Design Tokens

47:43 AI and Design Systems: A New Era

50:17 Automating Design Processes with AI

55:39 Navigating Design Debt in Systems

58:41 Governance in Design Systems

01:05:36 Measuring the Success of Design Systems


Links to Jarvis’ Interaction Design Foundation Courses

DESIGN SYSTEMS BLUEPRINT


AI FOR DESIGN SYSTEMS: HOW TO STAY AHEAD AND LEAD

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1 month ago
1 hour 11 minutes 14 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Daniel Tuitt: Designing Across Borders! Culture, Influence, and the Future of Service Design

Summary

In this conversation, Daniel shares his experiences living between Dubai and Riyadh, highlighting the cultural differences and unique aspects of each city. He discusses the importance of embracing diversity and learning from global experiences, particularly in the context of design and technology. Daniel emphasises the evolving design landscape in Saudi Arabia, the significance of mentorship, and the role of service design in enhancing customer experiences. He also addresses the challenges and opportunities presented by technology adoption in the region, advocating for a balanced approach that prioritises human interaction alongside technological advancements. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the evolving landscape of service design, the impact of AI on design careers, and the essential skills needed for success in a competitive job market. They discuss the importance of reflection, mentorship, and resilience, while also exploring how to identify top talent and the role of influence in leadership. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the nuances of influence in decision-making, the evolving role of AI in leadership, and the importance of adapting leadership styles to meet team needs. They discuss the challenges of managing direct reports, fostering a collaborative design community, and the significance of a holistic design perspective. The conversation culminates in reflections on the future of service design leadership and the skills necessary for designers to thrive in strategic roles.


Takeaways

  • Daniel enjoys the cultural diversity between Dubai and Riyadh.
  • Riyadh has unique cultural aspects that differ from Dubai.
  • Travelling has helped Daniel adapt to various cultures.
  • Mentoring the next generation of designers is fulfilling for Daniel.
  • Saudi Arabia is evolving with Vision 2030.
  • The design maturity in Saudi Arabia is growing but still developing.
  • Technology adoption in Saudi Arabia is influenced by local culture.
  • Service design connects customer experience with business strategy.
  • Understanding the Saudi customer requires cultural sensitivity.
  • Service design is essential for organisations to make informed decisions. Service design simplifies complex issues for better understanding.
  • Anyone can be a designer; it's about problem-solving.
  • AI is changing the landscape for junior designers.
  • Curiosity and storytelling are key skills for designers.
  • Resilience is crucial in navigating career challenges.
  • Reflection journals help in personal and professional growth.
  • The job market is competitive; unique skills are essential.
  • Mentorship can provide valuable insights and guidance.
  • AI can enhance but not replace human creativity.
  • Influence is vital for effective leadership. Influence is about helping others make the best decisions.
  • Understanding stakeholders' perspectives is crucial for effective influence.
  • AI may change the dynamics of decision-making in leadership.
  • Effective communication is key to preventing micromanagement.
  • Leaders should adapt their styles to fit team members' needs.
  • Building a collaborative design community enhances creativity.
  • A holistic view of design helps break down silos in organisations.
  • Service design can evolve through strategic thinking and influence.
  • Leadership requires understanding the context of team members' lives.
  • AI can be a tool for leaders to enhance team performance.


Keywords

Dubai, Riyadh, cultural insights, design evolution, mentorship, technology, customer experience, service design, Saudi Arabia, global experiences, Service Design, AI Impact, Design Careers, Job Market, Reflection, Mentorship, A-Players, Skills Landscape, Influence, Leadership, influence, decision making, AI, leadership, team dynamics, service design, collaboration, design community, holistic perspective, leadership styles

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2 months ago
1 hour 32 minutes 36 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Darren Hood: Why UX needs gatekeepers: Saving the discipline from itself

In this engaging conversation, Darren Hood shares his extensive journey in the UX field, discussing the evolution of user experience design, the importance of emotional intelligence, and the challenges faced in UX leadership. He emphasises the need for humility and understanding within the discipline, while also addressing the misconceptions that persist in the industry.

The discussion highlights the significance of UX maturity and the role of effective leadership in advocating for user experience. In this conversation, Darren Hood discusses the complexities of UX maturity, the misconceptions surrounding UX/UI, and the importance of gatekeeping in the field. He critiques the effectiveness of boot camps in preparing individuals for UX roles and emphasises the need for a solid educational foundation. The discussion also delves into the implications of AI in UX, highlighting the necessity for human expertise in navigating the evolving landscape of user experience design.


KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • The organic nature of many UX careers.
  • The evolution of UX has seen a shift from intuitive design to a more structured approach, yet misunderstandings persist.
  • Emotional intelligence is crucial in UX, as many practitioners lack self-awareness and humility.
  • The misconception of UX roles leads to hiring unqualified individuals, impacting the discipline's integrity.
  • UX is an infinite science, requiring continuous adaptation and learning.
  • The importance of UX maturity management is often overlooked in organizations.
  • Leadership in UX requires a deep understanding of both UX principles and business needs.
  • Many aspiring leaders in UX may not have the right motivations or qualifications for leadership roles.
  • The visual appeal of design often overshadows the actual impact of UX work in hiring decisions.
  • A strong UX leader must advocate for the discipline and ensure proper representation within organizations. A company lacking UX maturity emphasizes aesthetics over functionality.
  • The abstract nature of UX makes it difficult for some to understand its value.
  • Many people mistakenly conflate UX with UI due to popular trends.
  • Gatekeeping in UX is essential for maintaining quality and standards.
  • Boot camps often fail to provide the depth of knowledge needed for UX roles.
  • University programs offer a more structured approach to UX education than boot camps.
  • AI's high error rates raise concerns about its reliability in UX design.
  • Experts are crucial in interpreting and validating AI-generated designs.
  • UX is fundamentally a strategic role, not merely focused on visuals.
  • Respecting the history and foundations of UX is vital for future growth.



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2 months ago
1 hour 53 minutes 31 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Johannes Robier: The future of UX and embracing 'wow moments' in a digital age

In this episode, Johannes Robier discusses his unique approach to UX design, emphasizing the importance of creating 'wow moments' that focus on user enjoyment rather than mere efficiency. He explores the evolving expectations of users, the role of personalization, and the impact of AI on human-centered design. Robier advocates for the need for accreditation in UX to establish professional standards and highlights the significance of networking within the UX community. He also shares insights from the World UX Tour and his future initiatives aimed at promoting human-centered design.


Links:

Johannes' LinkedIn

Get your tickets to World Usability Congress

UX Accreditation


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Johannes Robier

01:05 The Concept of WoW Creation

03:58 Designing for Experience vs. Efficiency

06:54 The Evolution of Wow Moments

09:34 The Role of AI in UX Design

13:47 Human-Centered Design in an AI World

17:23 The Future of UX and AI

20:27 Valuing UX in Organizations

24:25 The Importance of Research in UX

28:20 Bridging the Gap Between UX and Management

42:44 Bridging the Gap Between Management and Design

46:58 The Evolution of UX Roles and Responsibilities

51:02 The Role of Product Managers in UX

54:50 The Importance of Standards in UX

59:51 Creating a Professional UX Community

01:07:03 The Future of UX Accreditation

01:13:34 The World UX Tour and Creating Experiences




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3 months ago
1 hour 24 minutes 35 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Amber Jabeen: Design is about emotions, not just numbers...

In this episode, Amber Jabeen shares her journey from Pakistan to becoming a design leader in the banking and FinTech sectors. She discusses the challenges and opportunities in the financial design space, emphasizing the importance of emotional intelligence in design, the need for empowerment and psychological safety within teams, and the significance of diversity in leadership. Amber also highlights the role of mentorship, the impact of remote work on team dynamics, and the necessity of creating a culture that encourages innovation and risk-taking. She concludes with insights on upcoming design events and community-building initiatives.


Links:

Ambers LinkedIn

DesignOPS Mena

DesignOPS Mena Youtube Channel


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Amber's Journey

02:49 Transitioning into Banking and FinTech

05:49 Challenges in the Financial Design Space

09:09 Empowering Design Teams in Banking

11:51 Creating a Safe and Creative Environment

15:03 Navigating External Challenges in Design

17:50 Building a Strong Design Culture

20:51 The Importance of Collaboration in Design

23:50 Remote Work and Team Dynamics

27:08 Leadership Insights for Women in Design

29:52 The Role of Mentorship in Leadership

33:07 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

36:01 The Need for Diversity in Leadership

38:48 Intentional Hiring Practices

41:48 Learning Through Failure

44:54 Encouraging Innovation and Risk-Taking

47:50 The Role of AI in Design

50:54 Upcoming Design Events and Community Building


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3 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes 22 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Vy Alechnavicius: In today’s market, juniors compete with ex-heads of design.

In this episode of Beyond the Interface, Vy Alechnavicius shares his extensive journey in UX design, discussing the evolution of the field, the importance of self-learning, and the challenges faced by junior designers in today's job market. He emphasizes the role of design leaders in shaping careers and the insights from his book 'Get Into UX'. The conversation also touches on the significance of demonstrating evidence in interviews, the impact of personal branding, and the future of UX in the age of AI.


Links:

Vy's LinkedIn

Vy's Website

Vy's Podcast

Vy's Book "Get Into UX"


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to V and UX Journey

04:41 The Evolution of UX and Self-Learning

11:37 The Changing Landscape of UX Education

18:06 Challenges for Entry-Level Designers

24:09 Advice for Breaking into UX

31:10 The Role of Design Leaders in Shaping Careers

38:43 Insights from 'Get Into UX' Book

43:15 The Importance of Evidence in Design

46:19 Navigating Portfolio Case Studies

50:36 Standing Out in a Competitive Job Market

54:06 The Role of Personal Branding

01:00:33 The Future of UX in an AI-Driven World


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4 months ago
1 hour 27 minutes 51 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Lisa D. Dance: Companies don’t know how frustrating they are until it’s too late.

In this episode, Lisa D Dance shares her journey from a young age, where her passion for improving customer experiences began, to her current role as a UX researcher and author. She discusses her book, 'Today is the Perfect Day to Improve Customer Experience,' which highlights the importance of understanding customer needs beyond just technology. Lisa emphasizes the significance of effective feedback loops, the cost of poor customer experiences, and the concept of unpaid customer labor. She introduces her frameworks, including the 3Q Do No Harm framework, aimed at helping organizations proactively identify potential harms in their products. The conversation also touches on the ethical implications of technology in customer experience and the future challenges that lie ahead.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ldance/

https://serviceease.net/

Lisa's book: https://serviceease.gumroad.com/

3Q-Do No Harm Framework: https://serviceease.net/3q-do-no-harm-framework


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to UX and Customer Experience

01:10 The Early Signs of a UX Advocate

04:26 Transitioning to User Experience Research

06:45 The Book: Improving Customer Experiences

10:47 Understanding Organizational Blind Spots

14:34 Bridging Feedback Loops in Organizations

17:26 Incentivizing Customer Experience Improvements

20:32 The Cost of Poor Customer Experiences

24:25 Measuring Customer Experience Value

27:23 The Importance of Basic Customer Service

29:57 Unpaid Customer Labor and Its Implications

40:12 Navigating Customer Experience in a Tech-Driven World

43:23 Addressing Unpaid Customer Labor

48:45 The Importance of Customer Feedback and Testing

49:12 The Power of Storytelling in Customer Experience

52:34 Introducing the 3Q Do No Harm Framework

59:07 Implementing Ethical Frameworks in Design

01:03:26 Future Challenges in Ethical Design

01:10:03 Target Audience and the Impact of Storytelling


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10 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 31 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Laura Baker: Designers don’t need a seat at the table—they need to shape the conversation.

In this episode of Beyond the Interface, Laura Baker shares her journey from industrial design to becoming a leader in UX and service design. She discusses the challenges and rewards of accidental leadership, the importance of adaptive management styles, and the need for a thriving team environment. Laura emphasizes the significance of hiring practices in building a strong culture and the necessity of creating a shared vision within design teams. The conversation also touches on the future of design operations, the value of collaboration, and strategies for securing budget and resources for design initiatives.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurahbaker


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Background of Laura Baker

02:50 Accidental Leadership Journey

05:58 Transitioning from IC to Leadership

08:49 Finding Balance in Management Styles

11:50 Learning from Leadership Experiences

14:40 Adapting Leadership as You Grow

17:54 Creating a Thriving Team Environment

20:54 The Importance of Hiring for Culture

23:52 Visioning and Moving Beyond Feature Factories

26:28 Crafting a Collaborative Vision

29:49 Empowering Team Members to Contribute

32:40 Strategic Thinking in Design Leadership

41:51 The Role of Strategic Thinking in Design

43:57 Defining Success in Design Projects

46:26 Managing Design Operations Effectively

49:33 Visioning and Leadership in Design

51:18 The Future of Design Operations

54:14 Investing in Design: Expected Outcomes

57:15 Building Advocacy for Design

01:01:04 Navigating the Future of Design in 2025


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10 months ago
1 hour 25 minutes 16 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Jacalin Ding: Want influence? Prove you understand the business, the market, and the bigger picture.

In this episode of Beyond the Interface, Jacalin Ding shares her journey from designer to entrepreneur, emphasizing the importance of business acumen for designers. She discusses the challenges of side hustles, the necessity of resilience, and the synergy between design and business. Jacalin also highlights the importance of understanding stakeholders, gaining a seat at the strategic table, and the qualities that make an A-player in design. She provides insights into networking, especially for introverted designers, and encourages broadening one's network.


Links to Jacalin's channels: 

https://subscribepage.io/5fnCLH

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacalinding/
Substack: https://substack.com/@jacalinding?utm_source=profile-page
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVUPHxnuMXrkgPobAA5wHKg

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00:00 Introduction to Jacqueline Ding and Her Journey

02:21 The Entrepreneurial Spark: From Designer to Business Owner

04:57 The Reality of Side Hustles and Entrepreneurship

07:19 Building Resilience Through Life Experiences

11:15 The Intersection of Design and Business Acumen

15:12 Understanding When to Invest in Design

19:13 The Importance of Strategic Thinking for Designers

24:40 Course Overview: Empowering Designers with Business Skills

30:20 Getting a Seat at the Table: Influence and Relationships

38:20 Maintaining Influence and Contribution in Business Strategy

42:13 The Essence of A-Players46:22Networking Beyond Events

54:16 Introverts in Design

59:20 The Future of Design: Strategy and Business Acumen

01:10:06 Making a Difference: Education and Empowerment

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11 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes 46 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Indi Young: Continuous discovery without guide rails... is just collecting anecdotes.

In this episode, Warren, Jay and Indi Young delve into the world of qualitative data science, exploring the importance of listening deeply to understand user experiences and the evolution of data science that listens.

Indi shares her journey from computer science to qualitative research, emphasizing the need for empathy and understanding in design. The conversation covers the significance of identifying patterns in qualitative data, the concept of saturation in research, and the future of research methodologies. Indi advocates for a shift towards empirical knowledge and cognitive empathy in understanding user needs, ultimately aiming to create better products and services.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/indiyoung

https://indiyoung.com/

https://indiyoung.com/training/#courses-list

https://indiyoung.com/resources/



Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Qualitative Data Science

08:12 The Evolution of Data Science That Listens

22:48 Finding Patterns in Qualitative Data

40:22 Framing Studies and Understanding Stakeholder Needs

53:51 Knowledge Creation Over Research

01:04:23 Framing Studies and Listening Sessions

01:11:26 Tactical Approaches to Research

01:19:20 The Role of Research Teams

01:26:44 The Future of Research


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11 months ago
1 hour 35 minutes 34 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Felix Lee: From a 19-year-old kid who got scammed to building a global movement in design mentorship

In this episode of the Beyond the Interface podcast, we sit down with Felix Lee, Co-founder and CEO of ADPList, and a Forbes 30 Under 30 honoree. Felix has reshaped how mentorship is accessed, creating a global platform that connects mentors and mentees from over 140 countries. Felix shares his unconventional journey from Singapore to Silicon Valley, detailing the challenges and triumphs he faced along the way. He discusses the inception of ADPList during the pandemic as a response to the need for mentorship and support in the design community. Felix emphasizes the importance of leadership principles, hiring A-players, and maintaining a strong community. He also delves into his competitive mindset, the future aspirations for ADPList, and the significance of building a supportive network through ambassador programs.https://adplist.org/https://adplist.substack.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/felixleezdChapters:00:00 Felix Lee's Journey: From Singapore to Startup Success09:10 The Power of Personal Branding on LinkedIn15:42 Guiding Principles for Building ADPList21:28 Hiring A-Players: The Key to Success29:41 The Impact of A-Players on Growth35:02 Can B-Players Become A-Players?40:33 The Role of Company Mission in Motivation49:50 Maintaining Mentor Engagement and Quality01:01:31 Ensuring Quality Among Mentors01:09:22 The Transformative Power of Mentorship01:19:36 Navigating Competition: A Contrarian Approach01:26:29 The Mentality of a Founder: Nature vs. Nurture01:37:26 Looking Ahead: Future Aspirations and Projects

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12 months ago
1 hour 39 minutes 11 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Will Thomas: Leadership isn't a title — it's a skill you develop.

In this episode of Beyond the Interface, Will Thomas shares his extensive experience in user experience design, discussing his career journey across various industries and the importance of adaptability in a rapidly changing landscape. He emphasizes the significance of team culture, the challenges of managing diverse teams, and the impact of AI on the future of design. Will also highlights the need for continuous learning and the development of interpersonal skills to thrive in the evolving design environment.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-thomas-0356492/


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Will Thomas and His Background

05:14 Professional Growth and Key Experiences

10:23 Diversity in Industries and Its Impact

14:39 Building and Maintaining Team Culture

27:38 Navigating Toxic Cultures and Team Disruptions

38:59 Managing Rapid Growth and Hiring Challenges

46:38 The Evolving Role of Design

54:47 Skills for Designers in the AI Era

01:01:46 Building Influence and Leadership

01:15:25 The Future of User Experience and AI




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1 year ago
1 hour 30 minutes 18 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Jason Beck: Don't let design systems box you in—start with pen and paper.

In this episode of Beyond the Interface, Jason Beck shares his diverse career journey in design, highlighting the evolution of UX and the importance of collaboration between design and other professions. He discusses the changing landscape of design, the significance of setting a quality bar, and how design can disrupt markets. Jason emphasizes the need for creativity within design systems and the importance of mitigating risk while fostering innovation. In this conversation, Jason and Warren explore the intricacies of design leadership, the importance of understanding problems before jumping into design systems, and the balance between speed and craft in product design.


Links:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-beck-6a68557/


Chapters:00:00 Jason Beck's Career Journey04:23 The Evolution of UX Design10:57 The Changing Landscape of Design15:29 Collaboration Between Design and Other Professions21:45 Setting the Quality Bar in Design25:24 Design's Seat at the Table33:55 Disruption Through Design39:27 Mitigating Risk in Design45:38 Balancing Design Systems and Creativity47:05 The Role of Design Systems in Problem Solving50:22 Balancing Speed and Craft in Design55:13 Fostering Creativity and Mentorship in Design Teams01:00:41 Leadership Styles and Team Protection01:05:06 The Importance of Hiring and Team Dynamics01:25:41 The Future of Design in the Age of AI

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1 year ago
1 hour 28 minutes 46 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Stephen Gates: Innovation slows when platforms bloat... Can Figma avoid Adobe's fate?

In this episode of the Beyond the Interface podcast, Stephen Gates shares his extensive journey in the design industry, discussing his experiences from working with major brands like Apple and American Airlines to leading design teams and mentoring emerging designers. He emphasizes the importance of leadership evolution, the challenges faced in navigating corporate culture, and the role of design systems in fostering creativity. Stephen also delves into the significance of mentoring, the impact of layoffs on mental health, and the future of design in the age of AI. His insights provide valuable lessons for both aspiring and established designers.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stepdgat/ 

https://www.youtube.com/@StephenGates

https://thecrazy1.com/

https://crzydesign.com/


Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Stephen Gates and His Journey

03:37 Career Highlights and Key Projects

06:23 The Evolution of Leadership in Design

09:33 Navigating Leadership Challenges

12:26 The Importance of Authenticity in Leadership

15:33 Adapting to New Environments

18:29 Creating Organizational Change

21:20 Strategies for Overcoming Resistance

24:26 Final Thoughts and Advice for Designers

28:22 Challenging Mediocrity and Embracing Risk

30:35 Cultivating New Leaders in Design

34:40 Leadership Lessons from Sports and Culinary Arts

38:24 The Balance of Systems Thinking in Design

41:33 Navigating Design Systems: Flexibility vs. Rigidity

48:47 The Passion for Mentoring and Its Impact

58:54 The Power of Vulnerability and Self-Reflection

01:01:14 Navigating Job Loss and Redefining Success

01:05:35 Building a Supportive Community During Tough Times

01:10:32 Creating Accountability and Momentum

01:13:27 Lessons from InVision: The Importance of Adaptability

01:20:53 The Future of Design: Embracing Change and Creativity


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1 year ago
1 hour 27 minutes 37 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Jason Mesut: The world needs Problem Solvers - Are you ready?

In this conversation, Jason Mesut shares his journey from industrial design to coaching, emphasizing the importance of personal growth and the dynamics of coaching. He discusses the challenges of finding the right coach, the common scenarios he encounters in coaching sessions, and the development of his Shaping Design series, which aims to help individuals understand their unique skills and growth paths in the design field. In this conversation, Jason Mesut discusses the unexpected applications of design frameworks, the debate surrounding designer skill sets, and the challenges leaders face in navigating the evolving landscape of design. He emphasizes the importance of allowing designers to explore their creativity without the constraints of traditional roles, while also addressing the issue of role dilution and the need for organizations to support individual designers in their career growth. In this conversation, Jason Mesut discusses the importance of embracing constraints in design to foster creativity, the evolving landscape for new designers, and the significance of building relationships and empathy in the design process. He shares insights on how curiosity and active listening can enhance design practices and emphasizes the need for designers to navigate their roles in a rapidly changing industry. Jason also talks about his future projects, including a podcast focused on creativity and resilience in a capitalist world.


Episode Links:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonmesut/

https://medium.com/@jasonmesut

https://medium.com/shapingdesign

https://medium.com/@jasonmesut/the-exhaustion-of-designer-skillset-expansion-and-dilution-65fe61f2ada2


Chapters:

00:00 Episode Intro

00:32 Introduction to Jason Mesut's Journey

06:21 Transitioning to Coaching and Personal Growth

11:17 The Dynamics of Coaching and Accessibility

18:24 Finding the Right Coach

24:10 Common Coaching Scenarios and Insights

25:12 Exploring the Shaping Design Series

31:15 Exploring Unexpected Uses of Design Frameworks

36:34 The Debate on Designer Skill Sets

41:48 Navigating Leadership Challenges in Design

47:04 The Individual Designer's Journey and Role Dilution

01:00:37 Embracing Constraints for Creativity

01:08:51 Navigating the Future of Design

01:18:33 Building Relationships and Empathy in Design

01:21:19 Jason's Future Endeavors and Insights


Keywords

coaching, design, career development, personal growth, leadership, UX design, mentoring, shaping design, designer skills, team dynamics, design leadership, role dilution, creativity, nurturing designers, empathy, career growth, humanity-centered design, constraints in design, future of design, designer skills


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1 year ago
1 hour 39 minutes 17 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Shamas Aziz: Data-Driven CX and My 100-Day Job Challenge: The Secrets to Business and Career Growth

Sham shares his extensive journey through the customer service and experience landscape in this conversation, highlighting the importance of data-driven insights and cross-functional collaboration. He discusses the evolution of customer experience roles, the significance of strategy, and the challenges of defining customer experience in today's business environment. The conversation also delves into the future of AI in customer service, exploring its potential to enhance customer interactions while emphasizing the irreplaceable value of human touch in complex situations. In this conversation, Sham from Sentisum discusses the integration of AI in customer experience, the challenges faced during career transitions, and the importance of networking and personal branding. He shares his journey through redundancies, emphasizing resilience and the power of relationships in securing job opportunities. Sham also highlights the significance of building partnerships in the B2B landscape and offers practical advice on finding one's voice and establishing a personal brand.Links:https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamasaziz/Chapters:00:00 Reunion and Career Journey02:53 From Customer Service to Customer Experience06:06 Data-Driven Insights in Customer Experience09:14 Identifying and Solving Customer Issues11:56 Cross-Functional Collaboration for Customer Experience15:09 The Evolution of Customer Experience Roles17:55 Understanding Customer Experience Definitions21:08 The Role of Strategy in Customer Experience24:13 Talent and Product Market Fit26:56 Attracting Talent in Customer Experience29:57 The Future of AI in Customer Service32:56 AI's Role in Solving Customer Queries35:54 The Balance of AI and Human Interaction41:13 Harnessing AI for Enhanced Customer Experience45:16 Navigating Career Challenges and Redundancies51:04 The Power of Networking and Personal Branding01:02:21 Building Partnerships in the B2B Landscape01:11:42 Finding Your Voice and Building a Personal Brand

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1 year ago
1 hour 18 minutes 56 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Ube Urban: You’re only bringing 10% of your true self to work...

In this conversation, Ube Urban shares his extensive journey into the design world, discussing his academic background in industrial design and computer engineering and how these experiences shaped his career. He reflects on the challenges faced in agency life, including navigating client relationships and internal politics. Ube emphasizes the importance of authenticity in the workplace, particularly for individuals from diverse backgrounds, and how this impacts their professional identity. He also introduces his entrepreneurial venture, Ube's Ice Cream Shop, as a representation of his creative expression, personal values, and the learnings he took when running this business.


Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ubeurban/

https://www.ubeurban.com/

Chapters:

00:00 Ube's Journey into Design

09:05 Navigating Agency Life and Client Relationships

22:25 Authenticity in the Workplace

43:43 Ube's Ice Cream Shop: A New Venture

48:25 The Essence of Authenticity in Art

51:43 Creating a Personalized Design Framework

55:08 The Journey of Customization and Client Interaction

57:39 Bridging Personalization in Digital Experiences

01:01:45 The Importance of Hyper-Empathy in Leadership

01:12:59 Navigating Tough Leadership Decisions

01:19:40 Learning from Pain: The Path to Authentic Leadership

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1 year ago
1 hour 31 minutes 4 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Amanda Cano: Innovation doesn't need permission, just get it done!

Summary

In this conversation, Amanda shares her extensive journey in the design and tech industry, discussing her experiences in contracting, transitioning to in-house roles, and her current position in the banking sector. She emphasizes the importance of a learning mindset, user testing, and stakeholder engagement in design processes. Amanda also talks about building an innovation hub and the future of design in the context of AI and evolving roles within the industry.


Links

https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-cano-252bb03/



Takeaways

  • Amanda has been in the tech industry since the early days of the web.
  • Contracting offers a fast-paced learning environment compared to in-house roles.
  • Transitioning to banking required Amanda to adapt quickly to a new industry.
  • User testing is crucial for understanding customer needs and improving design.
  • Involving stakeholders in the design process helps change perceptions of design.
  • Building an innovation hub can significantly impact an organization's design capabilities.
  • AI is set to change the design landscape, but the role of designers will remain essential.
  • A T-shaped skill set is important for designers to be effective in their roles.
  • Regular communication and team meetings help maintain a strong design culture.
  • Quality in design is paramount, and leaders must balance detail with trust in their teams.


Chapters

00:00 Amanda's Journey in Design and Tech

09:57 Contracting vs. In-House: Insights and Experiences

18:37 Transitioning to Banking: Challenges and Learnings

26:58 The Importance of User Testing and Stakeholder Engagement

35:22 Building an Innovation Hub: Strategies and Impact

43:40 The Future of Design: AI and Evolving Roles


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1 year ago
1 hour 27 minutes 46 seconds

Beyond The Interface (BTI)
Hosted by Jay Tulloch and Warren Nugent, this podcast explores the intersection of design (UX), product management, and technology, with insights from industry leaders on leadership, trends, and hard-hitting topics.