In this Gratitude Throwback episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa revisits a powerful conversation with Timothy Henkel, SVP and Partner at Pennrose, one of the nation’s leading affordable housing developers. Recorded during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, the episode explores Tim’s winding career path—from civil engineering to affordable housing development—and the deep sense of purpose that has defined his more than 20 years at Pennrose.
Tim offers an inside look at how affordable housing development works, including how Low-Income Housing Tax Credits are awarded, why competition for them is so intense, and how developers must align public policy, community needs, and financial feasibility. He shares stories of complex projects, including a transformative redevelopment in Meriden, Connecticut, and discusses the role of collaboration with municipalities, nonprofits, and residents.
Throughout the conversation, gratitude emerges as a central theme: gratitude for partners, mentors, communities, and the opportunity to do work that genuinely improves people’s lives. Tim reflects on why affordable housing is foundational to health, stability, and opportunity—and why so many people in the field see it as their life’s work. The episode closes with personal reflections, career advice, and a reminder that empathy and perspective matter just as much as technical skill.
Chapters
(01:06) Meet Tim Henkel and an overview of Pennrose’s history and growth
(03:58) Affordable housing vs. market-rate development and how tax credits shape projects
(08:47) Competing for Low-Income Housing Tax Credits and navigating public policy
(11:04) Community resistance, consensus-building, and where affordable housing gets built
(13:26) A standout project: Meriden, Connecticut and the power of collaboration
(20:36) Why affordable housing is life’s work and its impact on residents’ health and stability
(32:39) Tim’s career journey, gratitude for partnership, and advice for future developers
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In this Gratitude Throwback episode of Beyond the Resume, host Lisa Flicker sits down with Carl Shannon, who spent 26 impactful years at Tishman Speyer before shifting his focus to teaching, civic engagement, and giving back to the San Francisco community. Carl reflects on the unexpected breaks that shaped his career, the mentors who guided him, and the philosophy that kept him grounded through economic cycles and major development projects.
They discuss serendipity, authenticity, long-term commitment, and why gratitude is a crucial professional skill — especially for young people entering real estate, development, or any career where relationships matter. Carl also shares insights on today’s market cycles, how to build a meaningful career, and why stepping into a life of service is his next chapter.
Chapters
(02:15) The Serendipity of Career Breaks – A chance meeting at Salomon Brothers leads to a pivotal opportunity and launches Carl into real estate.
(06:36) Early Lessons & Advice for Emerging Professionals – Be flexible, choose people over prestige, and be ready to “dig ditches” on day one.
(09:55) Why Loyalty Matters More Than Job-Hopping – Carl explains how long-term commitment led to deeper skills, trust, and opportunities.
(13:08) Cycles, Setbacks & Career Pivots – What he learned navigating downturns, including the early ’90s when development halted.
(15:19) The Big Reveal: Retirement & Reinvention – Carl opens up about leaving Tishman Speyer, his love for San Francisco, and redefining purpose.
(21:19) The Future of Office & Housing Development – A grounded look at where the market is headed and why housing demand will persist.
(24:51) Legacy Projects, Mentorship & Building Teams – From Mission Rock to assembling diverse teams, Carl reflects on the work that mattered most.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/qMSizzGgsWM
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In this special Gratitude Series episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Daniel Carr, Co-Founder of Alpaca Real Estate, to explore career pivots, entrepreneurial risk-taking, and the future of innovative real estate investing.
Dan walks us through his journey from Brooklyn Tech to JPMorgan, Ares, and eventually launching Alpaca Real Estate—a platform built on trust, long-term relationships, and the power of integrating real estate with climate tech and innovation.
You'll hear how Dan identified a once-in-a-generation investment opportunity, the importance of choosing the right business partner, lessons from mentors, and how passion and grit shape great teams. Dan also shares insights on EV charging infrastructure, industrial distribution, built-to-rent trends, and creating positive community impact through thoughtful development.
Perfect for anyone interested in real estate private equity, career growth, entrepreneurship, or understanding how technology is reshaping the built environment.
Chapters
(01:55) From JPMorgan & Ares to Entrepreneurship
(07:40) Spotting a Once-in-a-Generation Market Opportunity
(09:22) Launching Alpaca Real Estate & Choosing the Right Partner
(10:50) Innovation in Real Estate: EV Charging & Climate Tech
(16:36) Power Constraints, Land Strategy & Industrial Distribution
(21:25) Brooklyn Roots, Career Evolution & Early Influences
(24:59) Advice for Students, Internships & Skill Development
(27:14) A Day in the Life: Family, Work & Building a Firm
(31:04) Community Impact Project in Brooklyn & Long-Term Vision
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In this episode, we visit our conversation with Michelle Militello, the Vice President, Equity Asset Management at The Community Development Trust. Michelle shares her extensive background in affordable housing, detailing her transition from banking to community development. She emphasizes the importance of asset management in preserving affordable housing and discusses the skills necessary for success in the industry. Michelle also highlights her commitment to mentoring women in affordable housing and reflects on the leadership lessons she has learned throughout her career.
Chapters
(02:03) Career Path: From Banking to Affordable Housing
(12:34) Role at Community Development Trust (CDT) and Its Mission
(18:58) The Importance of Asset Management in Affordable Housing
(22:45) Skills for Success in Affordable Housing
(31:23) Mentorship and Leadership Lessons
(36:02) Conclusion and Future Collaborations
Michelle Militello brings a rich, personal history to her work in affordable housing, a field she entered after transitioning from a career in banking to community development. Shaped early on by her family’s connection to real estate, and strengthened through formal education—including an MBA—Michelle has developed a deep understanding of the sector, especially the vital role asset management plays in preserving long-term affordability. At the Community Development Trust (CDT), she is driven by a clear mission to protect and preserve affordable housing across the country. She speaks often about the importance of mentorship, particularly for women navigating the industry, and models the power of genuine, values-driven leadership. Above all, Michelle’s passion for collaboration fuels her work, reinforcing her belief that the most meaningful progress in affordable housing comes from working together.
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In this episode, Jamie Smarr, CEO of the New York City Housing Partnership, joins Chris Papa to explore how affordable housing can revitalize communities and empower residents. Jamie shares lessons from his 30-year career in government and nonprofit leadership, emphasizing the power of project management, writing, and mentorship. From the Bronx’s burning buildings to today’s homeownership initiatives, this conversation dives into the evolution of housing policy, the importance of innovation, and what keeps Jamie motivated to make housing more human.
Chapters
(02:50) The Origins and Mission of the Housing Partnership
(05:29) Affordable Housing in Modern New York
(07:57) Jamie Smarr’s Path from Government to Nonprofit Leadership
(10:51) Skills That Build Careers (and Homes)
(13:41) How Government Drives Housing Policy
(16:19) Future Housing Challenges and Opportunities
(19:05) Personal Insights and Career Advice
(21:57) Memorable Projects and Impactful Developments
YouTube: https://youtu.be/up3jgFm5Xe0
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
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In this inspiring episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Emily Kurtz, Chief Housing & Development Officer at RiseBoro Community Partnership, to explore her 20-year journey in affordable housing and community development. Emily shares how a sociology degree and a curiosity for cities led her to urban planning, and eventually to leading one of New York’s most impactful housing organizations.
They discuss the evolution of RiseBoro, the realities of nonprofit housing development, and the personal balance required to thrive in mission-driven work. Emily also reflects on mentorship, leadership, and how organizations like Women in Housing and Finance have shaped her career.
If you’re passionate about affordable housing, career growth in the nonprofit sector, or finding purpose in your work, this episode delivers real-world lessons and personal insight.
Chapters
(02:23) RiseBoro’s Mission and Community Roots
(05:13) From Tenant Advocacy to Housing Development
(07:48) Emily’s Path from Sociology to Urban Planning
(10:15) Career Lessons: From IBM to Affordable Housing
(13:20) Finding Fulfillment Through Curiosity and Adaptability
(19:56) Breaking into Nonprofit Real Estate
(21:21) The Challenges Facing Affordable Housing in NYC
(23:38) The Human Cost of Federal Cuts and SNAP Benefits
(26:45) Leadership, Mentorship, and Building Strong Teams
(30:01) Parenting, Perspective, and Career Growth
(31:45) Book & Podcast Recommendations
(32:09) Work-Life Balance and Daily Rituals
(33:21) What Emily Looks for When Hiring
(34:58) Final Reflections: Mission, Community, and Resilience
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Sarah Berman, Founder and President of The Berman Group, one of the leading public relations firms in the real estate and construction industries.
Sarah shares how her early studies in urban planning led her into the fast-paced world of communications, ultimately inspiring her to launch her own firm nearly 20 years ago. She opens up about what it takes to build a PR powerhouse—from crafting compelling client stories and navigating industry challenges to cultivating a company culture rooted in hard work, empathy, and excellence.
This conversation is packed with insights on entrepreneurship, brand building, client trust, and leadership, offering valuable lessons for anyone looking to make an impact in real estate or communications.
Chapters
(02:10) From Urban Planning to Public Relations
(04:35) Building a PR Powerhouse from the Ground Up
(07:00) What It Takes to Succeed in PR
(09:45) Earning Trust and Managing Tough Clients
(12:20) Finding a Niche: PR for Construction & Real Estate
(15:00) Growth Through Reputation and Referrals
(18:00) Balancing Family, Leadership, and Entrepreneurship
(19:00) Building Culture and Empowering a Team
(22:00) Optimism and Innovation in Real Estate
(25:40) Most Memorable Projects and Partnerships
(29:10) Mentorship, Hiring, and the Next Generation of PR
(33:00) Advice for Future Entrepreneurs
YouTube: https://youtu.be/fUiwpBCzMrw
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa talks with Jim Mather, President and CEO of Century Housing.
Jim’s story is anything but ordinary — from editing a dirt bike magazine to leading one of the state’s top affordable housing lenders, his career path proves that purpose and curiosity can fuel lifelong impact.
Together, Chris and Jim dive into the origins of Century Housing, the pivotal role of CDFIs and capital markets in community development, and what makes a truly mission-driven leader. Jim also shares how coffee, cooking, and calm focus shape his daily routine — and his leadership style.
If you’re passionate about affordable housing, nonprofit leadership, and social impact, this conversation goes beyond titles and résumés to reveal the real story behind the work.
Chapters
(02:45) The Century Freeway Lawsuit That Built a Legacy
Jim explains the unique origin story of Century Housing and how a major legal settlement led to lasting community development.
(07:58) From Dirt Bikes to Development
How Jim’s early career as a magazine editor and construction worker sparked a lifelong passion for urban planning and housing.
(14:35) Inside the World of CDFIs
A breakdown of what community development financial institutions do — and how they fund affordable housing across California.
(20:18) Leadership Lessons from the Top
Jim shares what it’s like to lead an organization with three business arms — and how he balances impact with innovation.
(24:50) Hiring for Heart and Mission
What Jim looks for in candidates: curiosity, adaptability, intelligence, and a genuine drive to make a difference.
(28:35) Books, Coffee, and Calm
Jim talks about his daily rituals, from pour-over coffee to cooking, and how they keep him grounded as a leader.
(32:10) Looking Ahead: The Future of Affordable Housing
Reflections on policy, capital, and the people who make housing happen every day.
Links
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume podcast, we chat with Sharif Mitchell, a seasoned real estate entrepreneur and the co-founder and CEO of Northern Liberties. Sharif shares his inspiring journey from being a Morehouse College scholarship recipient to a thriving real estate mogul. He emphasizes the role of mentorship, the importance of risk management, and his mission to create workforce housing and foster community impact. Sharif discusses the power of daily structure, understanding customers, and building a strong network. He also provides valuable advice for aspiring entrepreneurs, stressing the significance of long-term vision and calculated steps toward success.
Chapters
(04:15) Defining Moments and Risks in Entrepreneurship
(09:36) Building a Purpose-Driven Real Estate Business
(14:14) Daily Habits and Structure for Success
(18:29) Overcoming Setbacks and Learning from Failures
(22:57) The Importance of Mentorship and Community
(26:23) Art as a Reflection of Success
(29:58) Advice for Aspiring Real Estate Professionals
Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/71orqzeqIoo
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we bring you another edition of our webinar series. Join Chris Papa and Kristin Niver as they lead an urgent discussion on the future of affordable housing in Washington, D.C. The expert panelists unpack the economic, political, and social factors shaping the city’s housing landscape.
Panelists Mitch Crispell (True Ground Housing Partners), Ed Delany (Capital One), Kimberly Driggins (Washington Housing Conservancy), Chris Marshall (The NRP Group), and Kate Owens (Jair Lynch RE Partners) examine the ripple effects of rent delinquency, eviction backlogs, and the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act (TOPA). Together, they explore how policymakers and developers can balance tenant protections with financial sustainability—while keeping the city’s housing stock intact.
This is a must-listen for developers, lenders, policymakers, and advocates navigating post-pandemic housing challenges in the nation’s capital.
Chapters
(04:35) The Fallout from the 2025 Rental Act
An overview of how the Rental Act emerged as a response to economic vacancy, rent delinquency, and strained landlord-tenant relations in D.C.
(10:12) The Billion-Dollar Problem: Rent Delinquencies
Kimberly Driggins and Kate Owens discuss over $1 billion in lost rent since the pandemic, how emergency-era tenant protections persisted too long, and their destabilizing effects on affordable housing providers.
(18:40) The Ripple Effect on Building Maintenance & Operations
Panelists explain how sustained delinquencies have made it difficult to maintain buildings, pay mortgages, and keep affordable units habitable—creating a vicious cycle of disrepair and nonpayment.
(26:58) Financing Fallout: The Lender’s Perspective
Capital One’s Ed Delany reveals how rising vacancies and thin margins are forcing lenders to step back from D.C. investments, chilling multifamily development across the city.
(36:25) Eviction Backlogs & the ERAP Program
A deep dive into D.C.’s eviction crisis—why court delays stretch up to 24 months, how federal judicial vacancies compound the issue, and whether new protective order requirements under the Rental Act can help.
(46:02) Lessons from Virginia’s Approach
Mitch Crispell contrasts D.C.’s dysfunction with Virginia’s more efficient systems, including resident services, consistent rental assistance, and functioning courts—keeping evictions below 2%.
(52:10) Investor Confidence & Regional Shifts
Kate Owens and Ed Delany describe a migration of investor capital from D.C. to Maryland and Virginia as developers seek more predictable outcomes and faster lease-ups.
(58:30) Understanding TOPA: Tenant Rights vs. Development Realities
Panelists unpack the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act, exploring its origins, intentions, and unintended consequences for preservation and new construction.
(1:10:22) Policy Wins & What’s Next
Kate Owens and Kimberly Driggins reflect on the coalition that made the Rental Act possible and the ongoing need to refine eviction timelines, clarify tenant association rules, and modernize the courts.
(1:20:40) Road to Recovery: A Path Forward
Audience Q&A explores how to fix D.C.’s eviction bottlenecks, fill judicial vacancies, and restore investor trust in the market. Panelists close with ideas for keeping housing both affordable and financially viable.
Links
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Matt Sullivan, Chief Operating Officer at The Michaels Organization, one of the nation’s largest privately held owners and operators of affordable housing. Matt shares his personal journey from studying politics at Princeton to leading a company with more than 80,000 units across 39 states, all while staying true to Michaels’ vision of creating communities that lift lives.
Along the way, Matt discusses the future of real estate, the challenges of building affordable housing, and how leadership grounded in purpose can change lives.
Chapters:
(01:00) Inside The Michaels Organization
Matt shares the company’s history, its four asset classes (affordable, military, student, and multifamily housing), and how Michaels continues to grow responsibly with a $4 billion pipeline.
(03:10) From Princeton to Real Estate
Matt reflects on his path from politics to real estate, how a liberal arts education shaped his problem-solving skills, and why he believes in intellectual curiosity.
(07:30) Career Lessons & Leadership Philosophy
Matt explains the role of a COO, the importance of strategy and guardrails, and why putting people in positions where they can succeed is his most important leadership lesson.
(11:00) Technology & the Future of Housing
How Michaels is using AI, clean energy solutions, and insurance innovations to improve operations and resilience across its 80,000-unit portfolio.
(14:45) Scholarships & Community Impact
Matt highlights the Michaels Educational Foundation, which has awarded over $19 million in scholarships since 1991, helping residents—including many first-generation students—pursue higher education and trade schools.
(17:00) Transforming Camden, NJ
Stories of revitalization, homelessness initiatives, and partnerships with local health providers that are reshaping Camden into a city of opportunity.
(21:15) Favorite Book & Big Projects
Matt shares how The Real Estate Game influenced his career and discusses a groundbreaking Army barracks privatization project at Fort Irwin, California.
(25:00) Recruiting & What Makes a Great Employee
What Matt looks for when hiring, why curiosity matters more than credentials, and the role of brain teasers in his interviews.
(27:40) Mentors & Final Reflections
Matt honors his father, mentors at Michaels, and the importance of surrounding yourself with people who support your growth.
Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/-0v5kuRE6ZU
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
In this episode, we sit down with Brian J. Fishback, Director at Red Stone Equity Partners, to explore how alternative investments are shaping the future of affordable housing. Brian breaks down Red Stone’s $12 billion track record in real estate investment management, the company’s growing focus on preservation housing, and why affordable housing remains one of the biggest challenges in today’s market.
He also shares his personal journey — from a collegiate soccer career and public accounting to leading investment strategies at Red Stone — offering unique insights into career development, teamwork, and the value of strong mentorship. Along the way, Brian reflects on the role of opportunity zones, the impact of rising housing costs, and how private capital can serve the public good.
Whether you’re interested in real estate careers, affordable housing policy, or the evolving landscape of alternative investments, this conversation delivers actionable takeaways and inspiration.
Chapters:
(01:33) – Red Stone Equity Partners Overview
(04:12) – Affordable Housing & Preservation Strategies
(06:59) – Career Path & Skills for Success
(09:38) – Accountants in Real Estate Careers
(12:33) – Transitioning from Public Accounting to Red Stone
(15:17) – Opportunity Zones & Investment Potential
(17:56) – Teamwork and Mentorship in Professional Growth
(20:48) – Growth & Future of Red Stone
(23:44) – Personal Insights & Recommendations
(26:16) – Memorable Deals & Entrepreneurial Spirit
(29:12) – Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks
Links
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Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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How does a history major from New Jersey end up transforming housing for farm workers in California’s San Joaquin Valley? In this episode, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Tom Collishaw, President & CEO of Self-Help Enterprises, a nonprofit that has pioneered affordable housing solutions since 1965.
Tom shares his 43-year journey from a VISTA volunteer digging fence posts to leading one of the nation’s most respected community development organizations. He explains the mutual self-help housing model where families build homes together, the role of water infrastructure in creating livable communities, and the challenges posed by political shifts and immigration fears. Along the way, Tom highlights the importance of mentorship, trust, and reputation in nonprofit leadership — and why he still believes in the resilience of communities to overcome today’s housing crisis.
Chapters
(02:15) The Mutual Self-Help Housing Model Explained
(06:50) From New Jersey to California: Tom’s VISTA Journey
(10:40) Learning Affordable Housing on the Job
(14:20) Weathering Political Shifts in Housing Policy
(18:35) Community Trauma, Immigration, and Housing Access
(22:45) Water, Infrastructure, and Rural Development Challenges
(27:30) The Lofts at Fort Visalia Project
(33:40) Mission-Driven Leadership and Mentorship Lessons
(38:45) Reputation, Resilience, and Looking Ahead
Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/jweAvO99hZE
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Richard Ross, CEO of Quinn Residences, to explore the rise of purpose-built single-family rental communities and what it takes to scale a real estate company from the ground up. Richard shares his journey from accounting to real estate leadership, how Quinn integrates sustainability and technology into its homes, and why culture and language—like calling residents “residents,” not tenants matters for long-term success.
Richard also opens up about leadership lessons, his yoga practice, and even the origin of Quinn’s name — which traces back to Gladiator and Roman history. From handling industry challenges like trespassing scams to shaping the future of housing demand, this episode is packed with insights for anyone interested in real estate, leadership, and building purpose-driven companies.
Chapters
(03:18) From the Great Recession to today: why build-to-rent has exploded
(05:42) Who rents these homes? Millennials, families, and empty nesters
(07:31) Sustainability in action: solar, flooring, leak detection, and smart tech
(10:38) Building efficient operations: Quinn’s hub-and-spoke model
(12:16) Company culture: why they say “residents” instead of “tenants”
(13:44) Tackling trespassing and scams with technology and legislation
(17:07) Richard’s path from accounting to real estate leadership
(22:44) What a CEO really does: people, strategy, and letting go of control
(31:20) Why Quinn is named after a Roman general in Gladiator
Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/SJdBFyAKZeM
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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On this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker welcome Peter DiCorpo, co-founder of Brook Farm Group, for a candid conversation about his journey from auditor at Arthur Andersen to building a multifamily development company during one of the most challenging real estate markets in decades.
Peter shares how deep friendships, trust, and complementary skillsets fueled the launch of Brook Farm Group during COVID, and how the firm has already delivered projects in Georgia and Florida despite market headwinds. He reflects on the lessons from working at global institutions like AIG and CBRE, the freedom and speed of entrepreneurship, and why capital raising requires persistence, honesty, and long-term relationships.
Listeners will hear Peter’s framework for career growth, his philosophy on hiring for character, and his take on how AI will reshape the industry. He also shares a memorable story about the “deal that got away” — and why sometimes the best investment is the one you don’t make.
Packed with practical insights, timeless advice, and personal stories (including his father’s influence as an Italian immigrant who modeled grit and work ethic), this episode is a masterclass in resilience, leadership, and building a career with integrity.
Chapters
(02:12) From Math Major to Arthur Andersen
(05:38) Business School & Breaking into Real Estate
(09:11) Launching Brook Farm Group During COVID
(13:18) First Projects in Georgia & Florida
(16:48) Institutional vs. Entrepreneurial Lessons
(20:22) Career Advice: Learn, Focus, Build
(26:09) The Challenge of Capital Raising
(33:37) AI’s Impact on Real Estate
(39:52) Memorable Deals & Lessons Learned
(43:23) Hiring for Character & Cultural Fit
(45:56) Mentors, Mistakes & A Father’s Work Ethic
Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/VlYaLxptAlw
Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Brian Murray, Co-Founder and Principal of Shift Capital, to explore how impact real estate is reshaping Philadelphia’s neighborhoods.
Brian shares his journey as a community-focused developer, and how Shift Capital is tackling challenges like affordable housing, equitable development, and community displacement.
This conversation dives into the realities of building healthy, inclusive neighborhoods, the economics of mission-driven development, and the importance of aligning capital with purpose. Whether you’re interested in urban revitalization, impact investing, or the future of housing in Philadelphia, this episode delivers insights you won’t want to miss.
Chapters:
(01:34) What is Shift Capital?
(06:14) Core challenges in real estate development
(09:53) Knocking on doors & community engagement
(15:52) From accounting to impact real estate
(19:52) Rethinking economics in underserved neighborhoods
(23:27) Why Shift Capital is vertically integrated
(25:37) Expansion beyond Philadelphia?
(26:34) The Hot Seat: Brian’s rapid-fire insights
Brian Murray is the Co-Founder of Shift Capital, a nationally recognized impact urban real estate group investing in underserved communities. With a background spanning accounting, tech start-ups, the Peace Corps, and an MBA from Yale, Brian brings a unique perspective on using real estate as a tool for social impact. He is also co-founder of the Arete Youth Foundation and an advocate for equitable development and opportunity creation.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/r0kcqCVD4Qs
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/summer-murray
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In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Kent Colton, President of the Colton Housing Group and one of the most respected voices in U.S. housing policy. With over 30 years of leadership experience at organizations like the National Association of Home Builders, Freddie Mac, and the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies, Kent brings unmatched insight into today’s housing challenges.
Kent and Chris discuss:
• The Ivory Prize for Housing Affordability and how it’s fueling housing innovation
• Breakthroughs in factory-built housing and modular construction
• The role of zoning reform and regulatory barriers in today’s housing shortage
• Innovative financing tools like Rhino and rent-to-own models that are reshaping homeownership
• Lessons from the “good old days” of post-WWII housing to today’s affordability crisis
• What policymakers, communities, and innovators can do to close the housing gap
From history to innovation, Kent offers both a big-picture perspective and practical examples of what’s working on the ground to make housing more affordable.
If you care about housing policy, affordability, and innovation, this episode is a must-listen.
Timestamps
(02:10) The Ivory Prize for Housing Affordability
(05:13) Breaking down regulatory barriers
(07:06) Factory-built housing and modular design
(11:30) Making housing work for renters
(13:02) Rent-to-own with Home Partners of America
(15:52) Housing shortages and market trends
(21:08) Real divisions and racial homeownership gaps
(24:00) The “good old days” after WWII
(29:57) The government’s role in housing affordability
(31:55) What you can do in your own community
(35:22) The Hot Seat
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, the Summer Series, we bring back the conversation with Jeff Brenner, President & CEO of Impact Community Capital and explore his 30-year journey in affordable housing and impact investing.
Jeff shares how a “two-year plan” at a nonprofit turned into a lifelong mission—combining finance expertise with a passion for social impact. You’ll hear insights on:
• Building a $2B investment portfolio benefiting low-income communities
• Financing affordable housing in 42 states and over 42,000 units
• Measuring social impact beyond numbers
• Why diversity in leadership drives better decision-making
• Opening the door for new investors in the ESG & socially responsible investing space
• Career advice for breaking into impact real estate and community development finance
Chapters
(01:20) What is Impact Community Capital?
(03:00) The “secret sauce” in affordable housing
(06:03) Driving positive change in communities
(09:28) Investments backed by real estate
(11:25) How Impact has evolved
(20:50) Measuring social impact
(24:26) Building a diverse team & broad perspectives
(27:28) The Hot Seat with Jeff Brenner
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Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/4ruADHqvsUg
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
In this Summer Series throwback of Beyond the Resume, we revisit a powerful conversation with Marie Murphy, Principal and CEO of MJD Capital Partners, a full-service development and management firm based in San Francisco.
Marie opens up about her untraditional path into real estate—starting in pharmaceutical sales, pivoting into residential brokerage, and eventually founding her own investment firm. She now oversees a 50+ person team and manages a portfolio focused on value-add multifamily housing in key West Coast markets.
If you're exploring how to scale in real estate, break into institutional deals, or lead with purpose in a male-dominated field, this episode is essential listening.
Chapters:
[0:03:47] From Pharma Sales to Real Estate
Marie shares how a background in sales prepared her for a successful leap into residential real estate.
[0:09:34] Learning by Doing (and Failing)
After being turned away from brokerage firms, Marie found opportunity in a family office and used it to build her investment acumen.
[0:11:41] Starting Her Own Firm from Scratch
With no outside backing, Marie bootstrapped her first deals, learned every role in the business, and slowly scaled MJD Capital Partners.
[0:14:12] Investment Strategy: Value-Add Multifamily
Marie explains her focus on workforce housing in markets like Sacramento and Reno—and why timing and local insight are critical.
[0:18:29] Breaking into New Markets
Strategic hiring, partnerships, and on-the-ground credibility helped Marie gain traction in tight-knit markets like Reno.
[0:22:02] Balancing Motherhood and Leadership
Marie reflects on the real sacrifices of being a single mom and CEO—and how she wants her daughters to see her journey.
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Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/Oa825s-ucxQ
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/marie-murphy-summer
Beyond the Resume Podcast with Andrew Germansky (Building Housing that Heals)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Andrew Germansky, Senior Vice President of Real Estate at Westhab, a leading nonprofit affordable housing developer and shelter operator in New York. Andrew discusses his journey from history major to housing leader, the innovations Westhab is bringing to affordable and supportive housing, and why ending homelessness requires bold thinking, public-private partnerships, and a reimagined approach to shelter development.
From shelter design innovations to why affordable housing is national infrastructure, this conversation dives deep into what it takes to develop housing that heals and stabilizes communities.
Chapters
(00:00) Meet Andrew Germansky + Westhab’s Mission
Andrew reflects on joining his first podcast and introduces Westhab’s work across affordable housing, shelters, and services in NYC, Westchester, and Rockland.
(05:29) Building Better Shelters: Zoning, Pushback & Equity
Andrew explains NYC’s shelter models, the "fair share" placement philosophy, and how Westhab works to integrate shelters into underserved neighborhoods with dignity and purpose.
(11:14) Who Experiences Homelessness — and How We Help
The discussion breaks myths about homelessness, highlighting Westhab’s case management approach, family-focused shelters, and the holistic services that help residents transition into stability.
(14:35) From History Major to Housing Developer
Andrew shares his path from studying history to affordable housing, his early roles at Omni New York, and the career pivot that led him to lead real estate development at Westhab.
(18:49) Nonprofit vs. For-Profit Development: Collaboration & Trade-offs
A thoughtful exploration of the relationship between private capital and mission-driven development — and why both are essential to solving the housing crisis.
(27:40) Designing Without Red Tape: Parking, Politics & Possibility
If zoning and budgets weren’t barriers, Andrew says we could build far more housing — especially by eliminating parking mandates that waste space and increase costs.
(32:36) Projects, Podcasts & People Who Inspire
Andrew highlights Dayspring Commons as his most meaningful project, shares real estate podcast recs (like BiggerPockets), and names the mentors who shaped his leadership style.
🎧 Call to Action:
If you care about affordable housing, ending homelessness, or purpose-driven careers in real estate, don’t miss this episode. Subscribe for more deep dives with the people building a better future—one community at a time.
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Links
YouTube: https://youtu.be/aAVJHYxkjN4
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/andrew-germansky