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Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
Gavin McClurg
259 episodes
1 week ago
The Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where you will find fascinating and educational interviews with the best free-flight pilots in the world. If you fly a hanglider or paraglider, if you fly acro or cross country, the Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where we glean how the great pilots of the world get there. Hosted by Red Bull X-Alps pilot, National Geographic Adventurer of the Year and current holder of the North American foot launch record, Gavin McClurg. Follow me on Instagram @gavinmcclurg or on Facebook @ facebook.com/gavinnmcclurg or Twitter on @cloudbasemayhem.
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The Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where you will find fascinating and educational interviews with the best free-flight pilots in the world. If you fly a hanglider or paraglider, if you fly acro or cross country, the Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where we glean how the great pilots of the world get there. Hosted by Red Bull X-Alps pilot, National Geographic Adventurer of the Year and current holder of the North American foot launch record, Gavin McClurg. Follow me on Instagram @gavinmcclurg or on Facebook @ facebook.com/gavinnmcclurg or Twitter on @cloudbasemayhem.
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Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#259 Pete Thompson cracks the 300 FAI in Colorado’s Deepness

Pete Thompson had a hell of a summer in Colorado. After years of planning and trying to fly big, epic FAI triangles across the highest terrain in the lower 48 he finally beat a record set only last year by Galen Kirkpatrick when he put down a 275 km FAI in early August. A week later he went even bigger with a 292. Then just two days later he did it again, this time cracking the vaunted 300 for the first time in North America with a 305 km perfectly drawn FAI across some serious Colorado deepness. Pete shares his journey in the sport which began in the early 2000’s, including his recent vol-biv across the state and flying competitions and tandems. We discuss the challenges of flying in Colorado’s unique terrain, the preparation and gear needed for long flights, and the mental and physical endurance required to stay in the air for 10+ hours. Pete also reflects on his past experiences, safety measures, and future aspirations in paragliding, emphasizing the importance of belief and community in achieving great feats.



Pete’s track logs from this summer can be viewed here.



























Takeaways



Pete Thompson has been flying in Colorado for 16 years and has a total of 21 years of experience in paragliding.He completed a Cross Colorado Bivvy Flight trip that took about eight days, combining flying and hiking.Colorado’s weather poses significant challenges for long-distance flights, making it a unique environment for paragliding.Pete achieved a new North American record with a flight of 275 kilometers, showcasing his dedication and skill.He emphasizes the importance of mental endurance and preparation for long flights, often feeling exhausted yet accomplished after each flight.Safety is a priority for Pete, who uses oxygen tanks and carefully assesses risks during flights.He believes that the potential for longer flights in Colorado is still growing, with opportunities for further records.Pete’s journey reflects the importance of community and support in the paragliding world, inspiring others to push their limits.



Sound Bites



“I had a dream”“There’s a fine balance”“It’s just the belief”



Chapters



00:00 Introduction and Background of Pete Thompson02:47 The Bivvy Flight Across Colorado06:06 Challenges of Flying in Colorado08:59 The Big Triangle Flights and Records11:47 Gear and Preparation for Long Flights14:53 Mental and Physical Endurance in Paragliding17:47 Safety and Risk Management in Paragliding20:40 Future Aspirations and Goals in Paragliding
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1 week ago
59 minutes 38 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#258- Ariel Zlatkovski and Project 100: the Ultimate XC Challenge

This past XContest season (2025) Ariel Zlatkovski decided to take on a fantastically bold and totally mind-bending mission: Fly 100, 100km flights in a single season. To pull it off he’d have to spend a full 10% of his hours on Earth flying (nearly 20% of daylight hours), he’d cover 12,000 kilometers of open distance, and rack up 893 hours in the sky. He’d live the entire year away from home in India, Colombia and the Alps and while one imagines this would be most pilot’s dream year, it was often lonely, and often very intense. Much of it was a real grind and subjected Ariel to too much risk. Ariel shares his rather obsessive journey into paragliding, how Project 100 took hold, and the challenges and emotional highs and lows he faced along the way. The discussion delves into the balance between the joy of flying and the pressures of competition, as well as the lessons learned from a year of very intense flying. Ariel reflects on the endurance required for such a project and the darker side of chasing numbers in the sport. Tune in, this is a remarkable feat of endurance and dedication.



Check out Ariel’s zero turning 100 he discusses in the show in Bir, it’s pretty remarkable.















































Takeaways



Ariel started flying in 2019 and quickly became passionate about paragliding.He logged 893 hours of flying in the last XC contest season.Project 100 aimed for 100 unique 100-kilometer flights in a year.The project turned out to be more about endurance than enjoyment.Ariel faced many challenges and scary moments during his flights.He experienced a mix of amazing and mediocre flights throughout the year.The competition with fellow pilots added pressure to his flying.Ariel’s lifestyle revolves entirely around paragliding and travel.He learned that chasing numbers can lead to risky decisions.Despite the challenges, Ariel remains passionate about flying and future projects.



Sound Bites



“I was just really into that.”“I made tons of stupid decisions.”“It was a wild year.”



Chapters



00:00 Introduction and Background03:00 The Journey into Paragliding05:53 Project 100: The Ambitious Goal08:...
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3 weeks ago

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#257- Chrigel Maurer and the Safety Debate

Two weeks ago at the World Championships in Costelo, Brazil a competition pilot was killed. This tragedy sparked an immediate and fiery response on social media calling for a top-down change at CIVL, the governing body of Category 1 competitions. Interestingly, two years ago during the World’s in France there were over a dozen incidents, many which lead to serious injuries…but the blame was more sequestered to the pilots ability and decision-making, not the organization. Last week Chrigel sent me an 8 minute voicemail during a training session laying out his own personal thoughts on this charged debate. So we made an effort to sit down immediately and discuss it all without all of the online emotion. Who’s ultimately in charge of safety at competitions? We explore the historical context of safety measures and the comparisons with what’s going on now to what’s happened in the past, the stress levels experienced by pilots during competitions, and the importance of training and experience. The conversation also touches on accident statistics, the responsibilities of pilots versus organizers, and the development of gear and its impact on safety. We conclude with thoughts on future directions for safety and training in the sport.









Takeaways



The paragliding community experiences waves of safety concerns and performance debates.Stress levels during competition can significantly affect pilot performance and enjoyment.Training and experience are crucial for handling advanced gliders safely.Accident statistics reveal a need for better safety awareness in paragliding.Pilots must take personal responsibility for their safety during competitions.Organizers face challenges in balancing safety and competition excitement.Gear development should prioritize safety alongside performance.A culture of safety needs to be fostered from the beginning of training.More communication between pilots and organizers can improve safety measures.Future improvements in paragliding safety require collaboration between athletes and manufacturers.



Sound Bites



“It’s a wicked dangerous sport, just period.”“We have to develop new stuff.”“We need to find solutions together.”



Chapters



00:00 The Safety Debate in Paragliding04:51 Understanding Stress Levels in Competition09:41 The Role of Training and Experience14:15 Accident Statistics and Safety Perception19:12 The Responsibility of Pilots vs. Organizers24:08 Gear Development and Safety Concerns29:01 Future Directions for Safety and Training
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1 month ago
43 minutes 44 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#256 From Newbie to the Red Bull X-Alps with Sebrand Warren

Sebrand Warren got his start paragliding just a few short years ago in the US but got hooked immediately and set his sights on the ultimate challenge- the Red Bull X-Alps. Last year he dedicated himself 110% to the race by moving his life, job, and girlfriend to France to learn the intricacies of the Alps and the relentless physical training that is required to compete. In this episode we discuss the challenges and experiences surrounding the Red Bull X-Alps, including Sebrand’s recovery from a serious injury that happened just days after the race ended, the mental challenges faced during the race, and the importance of team dynamics. We explore the balance between expectations and performance, the significance of finding joy in the pursuit, and the impact of relationships on risk-taking in adventure sports. The conversation highlights the journey of personal growth and the lessons learned through competition and camaraderie. Sebrand was the last athlete who made goal in this year’s edition of the Red Bull X-Alps and became the race darling during the event for his endless enthusiasm in the face of struggle as well as his openness with the mental hardships he experienced.









Takeaways



Recovery from injury is a long and challenging process.Mental health plays a significant role in performance.Team dynamics can greatly influence race outcomes.Expectations can be both motivating and detrimental.Finding joy in the sport is crucial for success.Communication with team members enhances performance.Risk management is essential in high-stakes sports.Relationships can be impacted by the risks involved in adventure sports.Learning from experiences is key to growth.Having fun can improve performance in challenging conditions.



Sound Bites



“I should land right next to him.”“It was a gift from God.”“We were all rookies in this race.”



Chapters



00:00 Introduction and Recovery Journey05:57 Post-Race Hangover and Mental Challenges11:45 The Decision to Pursue Paragliding Full-Time17:46 Navigating Sponsorship and Financial Realities21:29 The Prologue Experience and Mental Struggles29:34 Finding Peace and Enjoyment in the Race35:11 The Burden of Expectations39:21 Finding Flow in the Race44:31 Memorable Moments in the Race48:24 The Importance of Fun in Flying53:16 Navigating Risk in Relationships58:53 The Impact of Parenthood on Risk-Taking01:03:42 Team Dynamics and Growth




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1 month ago
1 hour 17 minutes 9 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#255 XC Concepts in depth with Calef Letorney

In this episode I dive in once again with Calef Letorney to explore advanced cross-country techniques, focusing on thermal flying, the impact of wind, the concept of shark flying and a lot more. We discuss the importance of understanding day conditions, recognizing when to shift gears in flight, and the strategies that can lead to more efficient navigation in the air. The conversation is rich with insights and personal experiences, making it a valuable resource for both novice and experienced paragliders. We further explore the intricacies of cross-country (XC) flying, focusing on racing strategies, thermal management, gliding tips and the importance of teamwork. We discuss the nuances of timing in racing, understanding when to move on from climbs, and the significance of risk-taking in achieving success. The dialogue also covers practical landing techniques, managing stress during landings, and the dynamics of team flying, emphasizing the need for communication and collaboration among pilots. The conversation concludes with anecdotes that highlight the unpredictable nature of flying and the camaraderie that develops among pilots. Enjoy!









Takeaways



The fundamentals of cross-country flying include good climbing and gliding techniques.Understanding the day’s pressure and thermal conditions is crucial for effective flying.Patience is key on sticky days; waiting can lead to better climbs.Wind direction significantly affects flying strategies and climb efficiency.Shark flying allows for more efficient navigation through the air without unnecessary turns.Recognizing when to shift gears in flight can make a significant difference in performance.High pressure days can present unique challenges and opportunities for pilots.Visual mapping of conditions helps in finding the best thermals and glides.Team flying techniques can enhance performance in competitive settings.Experience and observation are essential for making quick decisions in flight. Flying fast requires discipline and understanding of the day’s conditions.Knowing when to move on from a climb is crucial for XC success.Risk-taking can lead to better positions in competitive flying.Optimism is key in XC flying; planning for success is essential.Practicing tight landings is important for all pilots.Managing stress during landings can prevent accidents.Leaside flying can be beneficial but requires caution and skill.Team dynamics in flying can significantly enhance performance.Sampling different air is vital for finding better climbs.The unpredictability of flying often leads to memorable experiences.



Chapters



00:00 Introduction to Paragliding 30102:55 Understanding Weather Conditions and Their Impact05:55 Navigating High Pressure Days08:56 The Role of Wind in Paragliding11:54 Shark Flying Techniques14:43 Strategies for Efficient Cross-Country Flying30:48 Mastering the Art of Gliding37:45 Recognizing Opportunities in Flight51:16 Shifting Gears: Speed vs. Safety58:28 Planning for Success in XC Flying01:01:00 Tight Landing Zone Strategies01:07:27 Mastering Tight Landings01:16:46 Understanding Lee Side Thermal Strategies01:24:37 Effective Team Flying Strategies01:36:41 The Art of Two-Liner Technique




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2 months ago
1 hour 42 minutes 4 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#254 Simon Oberrauner and Cracking the Code

Austrian athlete Simon Oberauner has competed in the Red Bull X-Alps five times and has always finished in 6th place or better. In this year’s race he placed third for the second time, a mere seconds behind Lars Meerstetter after over 1200 kilometers (course line!) and 8 days of ferocious racing across the Alps. Simon reflects on his amazing experiences in this years race and the importance of attitude, teamwork, and training evolution. He shares insights on navigating risks, the legacy of the 8-time champion Chrigel Maurer, and offers suggestions for improving the race experience. Simon emphasizes the balance between safety and adventure, highlighting the need for understanding one’s strengths and the role of a supportive team in achieving success. Simon is the athlete everyone loves to love, he’s always smiling, always having fun, always relaxed. And clearly it works when it comes to results!



Follow Simon on Instagram.



Simon competes in the 2025 Red Bull X-Alps. Photo Adi Geisseger



Takeaways



Simon’s consistent performance in X-Alps showcases his dedication and skill.A positive attitude is crucial for success in challenging races.Team dynamics play a significant role in an athlete’s performance.Training should evolve with experience and competition demands.Understanding one’s strengths is key to navigating the race effectively.The importance of enjoying the journey, not just focusing on results.Kriegel’s legacy sets a high standard for competitors.Risk management is essential in adventure racing.The balance between safety and adventure is a constant challenge.Improvements in race organization can enhance the experience for athletes and fans.



Chapters



00:00 The Journey Begins: Reflecting on Past Races05:21 The Secret to Success: Attitude and Enjoyment09:16 Team Dynamics: The Importance of Support14:18 Building a Winning Team: Roles and Responsibilities23:07 Training Evolution: From Adventure to Competition27:26 Key Insights for Aspiring Athletes33:57 Kriegel’s Legacy: The Challenge of the Champion40:39 Navigating Risks: Decisions in Adverse Conditions49:20 The Nature of Adventure: Risk vs. Reward01:04:15 The Future of X-Alps: Suggestions for Improvement
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2 months ago
1 hour 24 minutes 51 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#253 Ask Me Anything with Karlis Jaunpetrovičs

We depart from the Red Bull X-Alps in this episode and dive into a whole bunch of questions that have come in this past year from our listeners. And instead of answering them on my own we return to Karlis Jaunpetrovičs, former test pilot for BGD and current head of his own instructional SIV, coaching, and guiding (as well as running competitions) company Flying Karlis. We cover a lot of very solid ground here, especially when we got into reserves. Topics include:



•⁠ ⁠Stepping down in glider class



•⁠ ⁠Stepping up in glider class



•⁠ ⁠All about harnesses… open vs pod, fairing vs no fairing, seatboard vs hammock, sub vs non-sub. 



•⁠ ⁠Coming back to paragliding after being away from it



•⁠ ⁠Stepping away from PG, what’s on the other side?



•⁠ ⁠A more practical discussion about SIV, also practicing maneuvers outside of SIV



•⁠ ⁠How to climb better



•⁠ ⁠How to forecast better



•⁠ ⁠How to glide better, and everyday speedbar use



•⁠ ⁠Mitigating the testosterone driven decision making afflicting our sport



•⁠ ⁠All about reserves from a reserve expert (round vs square vs rogallo, lightweight vs regular weight, how to decide the actual right size, actual lifespan of reserves, repacking them safely, factors on reserve/bridle connections, sink rate, why isn’t projected area advertised? In depth discussion about down-planing and size of reserves relative to size of wing, tips on throwing in different situations)”



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2 months ago
1 hour 40 minutes 53 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#252 Beyond Limits with Celine Lorenz

Join us as we delve into the remarkable flying career of Celine Lorenz, a passionate paraglider who took to the skies at a young age. Discover how a tandem flight gift sparked her lifelong love for flying, leading her to save every penny for her license and equipment. Celine shares her early experiences, from working at her mother’s refuge in the Alps to fund her dream, to the determination that drove her to skip school for training. This episode captures the essence of Celine’s adventurous spirit and her unwavering commitment to flying which lead her to compete on the World Cup and the Red Bull X-Alps, competing this year for the second time. Celine shares her personal experiences navigating the race’s formidable challenges, from daring flights over rugged terrain to the mental resilience required to overcome setbacks. Discover how Celine’s strategic mindset and adaptability played a crucial role in her adventure, leading to unforgettable moments and lessons learned. Enjoy this inspiring tale of courage, determination, and the spirit of adventure that defined Celine’s race.









































Takeaways:




* Mental Resilience: Celine emphasizes the importance of mental strength and adaptability in overcoming the challenges of the X-Alps race.



* Strategic Decision-Making: The episode highlights how Celine’s strategic planning and quick decision-making were crucial in navigating the race.



* Risk Management: Celine shares insights into her approach to managing risks and ensuring safety during competitive flying.



* Personal Growth: The race provided Celine with valuable lessons and experiences that contributed to her personal and professional growth.



* Adventure and Camaraderie: Celine’s journey is filled with thrilling adventures and the camaraderie of fellow competitors.




Chapters:




* Introduction to Celine Lorenz and the X-Alps (0:00 – 2:30)

* Celine’s background and introduction to the X-Alps race.





* Early Passion for Paragliding (2:31 – 8:00)

* How a tandem flight gift sparked Celine’s love for paragliding.





* Preparing for the X-Alps Race (8:01 – 15:00)

* Celine’s training and preparation for the race.





* Challenges and Strategies in the Race (15:01 – 25:00)

* The mental and physical challenges faced during the X-Alps.





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3 months ago
59 minutes 21 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#251 Risk and the Red Bull X-Alps with 9 time competitor Tom De Dorlodot









In this conversation, four-time competitor and 2-time color commentator Gavin McClurg and 9-time competitor and Red Bull athlete Tom De Dorlodot discuss Tom’s continued recovery journey after a serious injury over a year ago snow-kiting in Norway and his recent emotional return to flying. They reflect on both of their recent Red Bull X-Alps experiences this June, exploring the dynamics of risk management in paragliding, the influence of gear and technology on performance, and the impact of media on the public perception of risk. The conversation also touches on the camaraderie among pilots and the future of the Red Bull X-Alps, emphasizing the balance between competitiveness and safety in high-stakes flying. We discuss the complexities of paragliding competitions, particularly the Red Bull X-Alps. They explore the pressures faced by athletes, the role of the organization when it comes to safety, and the tricky balance between racing and responsibility. The discussion also touches on the evolution of the race, the impact of increased turn points on strategy and safety, and the need for qualifying standards to enhance safety and performance. They emphasize the importance of community feedback and the future direction of the race, advocating for a more collaborative approach to improve the experience for all participants.











Takeaways



Tom’s emotional return to flying after recovery.The importance of community support in paragliding.Experiencing the X-Alps from a support role offers new insights.Risk management is crucial in high-stakes flying.Gear choice can significantly impact performance.Media coverage influences public perception of risk.The camaraderie among top pilots is essential for success.Athletes must balance competitiveness with safety.The evolution of safety standards in paragliding.Future X-Alps may see changes in risk management strategies. The pressure on organizers is increasing while pilots face less accountability.Safety in paragliding competitions is a shared responsibility between athletes and organizers.The thrill of flying comes with inherent risks that pilots must manage.The evolution of the race has introduced new challenges and pressures for athletes.Turn points can create unnecessary stress and detract from the adventure aspect of the race.Athletes should be encouraged to make their own decisions regarding safety and risk.The need for mental coaching and preparation for athletes is crucial.Community feedback is essential for the future of the race and its organization.The balance between safety measures and the spirit of adventure is delicate.Qualifying standards could enhance the safety and competitiveness of the race.



Sound Bites



“It’s been a year of times in the hospital.”“Your extreme is all normal.”“We need a very clear vision for 2027.”



Chapters



00:00 Introduction and Overview of the Conversation03:01 Tom’s Recovery Journey and Recent Flights05:51 Life on the Island and Community Connections08:49 Experiencing the X-Alps from a Support Role11:51 Insights on Risk Management in Paragliding15:02 Comparing Racing Strategies and Mindsets17:45 Weather Conditions and Their Impact on Performance20:59 The Role of Gear in Competitive Paragliding23:51 Kriegel’s Performance and Emotional Decisions26:48 Conclusion and Future Outlook33:00 The Art of Technical Piloting34:45 Gear Decisions and Performance39:04 The Champion’s Mindset and Comeback42:28 Risk Management in Adventure Racing52:04 The Balance of Freedom and Safety01:01:09 The Evolution of Paragliding Safety01:11:25 T...
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3 months ago
1 hour 47 minutes 40 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#250, Red Bull X-Alps Post-Race with Tanguy, Rémi, Jared, Juraj, Jean, and Shane

Just hours after the athletes finished this years stunning Red Bull X-Alps I caught up with Tanguy Renoud-Goud (FRA 4), Rémi Bourdelle (FRA 5), Jared Scheid (USA), Juraj Koreñ (SVK), Jean De Biolley (BEL 2) and Shane Tighe (AUS) to quickly get their highs and lows from the race, most memorable moments and the toughest question to answer- will they do it again? We are releasing this podcast as a regular audio podcast as well as a video version. All the recordings were done at the athlete camp. Tuck in!












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4 months ago
49 minutes 38 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#249 Koen Vancampenhoudt and gaining knowledge through passion

In this conversation, dutch pilot Koen Vancampenhoudt shares his journey as a paraglider, highlighting his record-breaking flight in Mexico, the challenges he faced, and his early experiences flying with zero information in Fiji. He reflects on the importance of safety training, the thrill of downwind flying, and the lessons learned throughout his flying career. Koen emphasizes the need for proper instruction and the value of learning from experiences, both good and bad, in the world of paragliding. In this often hysterical episode Koen shares his journey as a paragliding enthusiast and salesman, discussing the challenges and triumphs of flying in the Carolinas, his several experiences with legal troubles, and the importance of community in the sport. He reflects on his goals before turning 50, including long-distance flying and mastering acro techniques, while also emphasizing the need for proper coaching and the thrill of towing. The discussion highlights the balance between personal aspirations and family life, as well as the camaraderie built through the Carolina Tow Club. Enjoy!











































TakeawaysKoen’s record-breaking flight in Mexico was unexpected and thrilling.The journey to the plateau involved navigating challenging conditions.Downwind flying offers a unique thrill and sense of freedom.Early experiences in Fiji shaped Koen’s passion for paragliding.Safety training is crucial for all pilots, regardless of experience.Learning from mistakes is an essential part of becoming a better pilot.Koen emphasizes the importance of having a reserve parachute.The camaraderie among pilots enhances the flying experience.Flexibility in planning is key to successful flights.Koen’s journey reflects the adventurous spirit of paragliding. Fear can hinder progress, but proper coaching can help overcome it.Persistence and meticulous practice lead to skill advancement.Exploring new flying sites can be both rewarding and risky.Legal issues can arise from adventurous pursuits in paragliding.Community building is essential for a supportive flying environment.Long-distance flying requires planning and understanding of conditions.Towing offers a different experience compared to foot launching.Setting personal goals can motivate pilots to push their limits.The importance of trust and teamwork in paragliding clubs.Adapting to family life while pursuing flying passions is crucial.



Sound Bites



“Ignorance is bliss.”“I followed them, you know.”“I’m looking forward to it.”



Chapters



00:00 Introduction and Technical Setup00:36 Exploring the Conversation Themes00:41 Introduction to Koen and His Achievements03:33 Epic Flight in Mexico: A New Record06:38 Navigating Challenges and Decision...
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4 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 15 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#248 The art of being Bold with Antoine Girard


French pilot and serious adventurer Antoine Girard has laid down some of the boldest lines on Earth, and he's been doing it for a long time. Antoine competed in the Red Bull X-Alps four times, starting in 2013 where he found himself on the podium (3rd), again in 2015 (4th), 2017 (badly injured), and 2019 (retired due to continued trouble with the injury sustained in 2017). He's pulled off some of the most extreme expeditions in paragliding and mountaineering in Pakistan on 6 different trips, flew from west to east across the Andes, was nearly killed in Eritrea (by people, not flying), flew the length of the south island of New Zealand, and is currently traversing the United States from the Mexico border to the Northern Canadian Rockies.


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5 months ago
1 hour 13 minutes 13 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#247 A lifetime love affair of the air with Malcolm Jones
Chalk another one up for our “legends” series. This week I sit down with Tom Peghiny to visit with Malcolm Jones, two legends in the world of hang gliding. They share their personal journeys into the sport, from Malcolm’s early experiences with water skiing and the very first known towing of hang gliders which later became the Wallaby Ranch, the first aerotow facility in the world. The discussion covers the evolution of hang gliding competitions, memorable events, and the impact of their aviation experiences on their lives. The conversation also touches on the connection to Disney and the growth of the hang gliding community over the years. Malcolm discusses the evolution of aerotowing in hang gliding, emphasizing its advantages over traditional winching methods. He shares personal anecdotes about flying with celebrities, the unique culture at Wallaby Ranch, and the community that built up around hang gliding. As he prepares for a transition in his life, he reflects on the legacy of his ranch and the joy of introducing others to the magic of flight.







TakeawaysMalcolm’s first encounter with hang gliding was at Cypress Gardens.He initially found hang gliding scary but later fell in love with it.Malcolm’s early flights were behind a boat, which he found exhilarating.He learned to tow and foot launch in the Tampa Bay area.The Tennessee Tree Toppers were a significant part of his early flying experience.Malcolm and Tom became fast friends in the early days of hang gliding.Competitions were a mix of duration, spot landing, and zigzag pylons.Malcolm won several competitions, including one in Guatemala.The Disney show ‘Surprised in the Skies’ was a pivotal moment for Malcolm.Wallaby Ranch has become a central hub for hang gliding in Florida. Aerotowing revolutionized hang gliding instruction.Dual instruction is key to effective flight training.Aerotowing is safer and more comfortable than winching.Malcolm has flown with numerous celebrities.The Wallaby Ranch fostered a unique hang gliding community.Promotions like naked tandem flights were part of the fun.Hang gliding has provided countless memorable experiences for participants.The culture at Wallaby Ranch is familial and supportive.Malcolm’s transition from hang gliding reflects a new chapter in life.The joy of flying is often described as magical by participants.Sound Bites“I just fell head over heels in love with it.”“I had a very unusual mom.”“I had no idea that how dangerous it was.”“I think I was flying a Seagull.”“I could talk for weeks.”“I was just super lucky.”“My idea was to teach with dual instruction.”“There’s no comparison at all.”“I’ve done a tremendous amount of both.”“Hang gliding is the flyingest flying.”“We did a lot of naked tandem discovery flights.”“It’s been my baby. I’ve never had any partners.”“I think I’m the luckiest guy ever.”Chapters00:00 Introduction to Hang Gliding Legends01:14 Malcolm’s Early Experiences with Hang Gliding08:53 Transitioning to Foot Launch and Soaring16:34 The Rise of Competition Hang Gliding24:47 Memorable Competitions and Experiences28:11 The Disney Connection and...
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5 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes 26 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#246 Soaring through History with Bill Liscomb














SummaryThis conversation delves into the rich history of hang gliding, exploring the personal journeys of the early pioneers of free flight. It highlights the evolution of hang gliding, the DIY spirit of early glider construction, and the influential eccentric figures who shaped the hang gliding community. The discussion also touches on the challenges faced in the sport, the importance of safety, and the role of photography in documenting this unique culture. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, the conversation captures the essence of what it means to be part of the hang gliding world. Bill Liscomb shares his journey through the world of hang gliding and sailplanes, reflecting on the early days of the sport, the creation of the incredible documentary ‘Big Blue Sky‘, and the impact of tragedy on the aviation community. He discusses his personal experiences in soaring and the lighter side of hang gliding, while also offering valuable advice for future aviators.

TakeawaysFlying has been a constant theme in Bill’s life.Bill’s father was a decorated WWII veteran and pilot.The first hang glider flight was in 1971 at the Lilienthal meet.DIY hang gliders were made from everyday materials.The community played a significant role in the sport’s growth.Safety concerns increased with the advent of thermaling.Photography captured the essence of hang gliding’s early days.Bill’s mother was a prominent photographer in the hang gliding scene.The evolution of glider designs was influenced by experimentation.The camaraderie among pilots fostered a unique culture. Bill’s early experiences in hang gliding were filled with adventure and learning.The transition from hang gliding to sailplanes was a significant shift in Bill’s flying career.Creating ‘Big Blue Sky’ was a labor of love that took nearly five years to complete.Soaring in sailplanes offers unique experiences with nature and the environment.Tragedies in the hang gliding community led to important safety improvements.Survival in aviation often comes down to cautious decision-making and learning from others’ mistakes.Humor and camaraderie are essential aspects of the hang gliding community.Bill’s musical background adds a unique dimension to his storytelling.Advice for young aviators includes being cautious and learning from experienced pilots.The spirit of adventure and pursuit of dreams is a central theme in Bill’s life.Sound Bites“Flying has been a constant theme in Bill’s life.”“I always shared that love of aviation with my dad.”“The first hang glider flight was in 1971.”“We made the hang gliders out of bamboo and duct tape.”“Safety concerns increased with the advent of thermaling.”“The camaraderie among pilots fostered a unique culture.”“She was into that and she came to that first Lilienthal meet.”“I did the big deep stall and recovery.”“She was all over the map, man.
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6 months ago
1 hour 23 minutes 34 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#245 The 100 Peaks Challenge with Nathan Longhurst








In this conversation, US based climber and relatively new paragliding pilot Nathan Longhurst shares his incredible journey of completing the 100 Peaks Challenge in New Zealand, combining his passion for climbing and flying. He began on 17 November 2024 and ran, rock climbed, ice climbed, bushwhacked, kayaked, cycled and paraglided his way through the list and incredibly- knocked it out in just 103 days. The list has only been completed by one other climber, but that one took many years. Nathan discusses his background in outdoor sports, the transition from climbing to flying, and the planning and preparation that went into his ambitious project. He shares some rather remarkable statistics about his adventure and the lessons learned along the way, emphasizing personal growth and the emotional aspects of such a significant undertaking. He discusses the physical and mental challenges he faced, including injuries, constant hunger, and the need for meticulous planning. Nathan reflects on memorable moments during his climbs, the importance of solo decision-making, and the mental load of evaluating risks. He also shares insights on the creative problem-solving required in unpredictable environments and his aspirations for future adventures. A remarkable adventure, told by a very humble and remarkable adventurer. Follow Nathan on Instagram to see many incredible photos and remarkable moments from the expedition. TakeawaysNathan’s background in outdoor sports shaped his passion for climbing and flying.He found solo climbing to be a more mentally engaging experience.The 100 Peaks Challenge was inspired by a previous trip to New Zealand.Nathan’s approach combined climbing and flying to complete the challenge.He faced significant weather challenges during his journey.Support from his girlfriend was crucial during the project.Nathan experienced post-trip depression after completing the challenge.He managed to fly off over half of the peaks on his list.The journey was emotionally taxing but rewarding.Nathan’s experience highlights the importance of mental health in adventure sports. Nathan experienced significant physical challenges during his project.Hunger was a constant concern, affecting his focus and energy.He enjoyed delicious meat pies as a high-calorie snack.Memorable moments included a blissful climb and flight on Mount Totoko.Planning was obsessive, involving detailed analysis of potential landing spots.Nathan faced injuries, including a bad ankle sprain and a close call with equipment failure.Mental challenges were more taxing than physical ones during the project.Creative problem-solving was essential for navigating unexpected obstacles.The solo nature of the project allowed for clearer decision-making.Nathan is excited about future climbing and flying adventures.Sound Bites“I was just immediately hooked”“I was fortunate to have some mentors”“I knew that I wanted to come back”“It took him most of his life”“I ended up traveling for like two days”“I was doing this peg leg hobbling.”“I was starving pretty constantly.”“These meat pies are totally delicious.”“That was pure bliss.
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6 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes 41 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#244 Grit and Growth: The Mindset of a Successful Pilot w Top Gun Ace Serge Durrant








In this episode I speak with Serge Durrant, a former Top Gun fighter pilot turned paraglider, discussing his journey from aviation to adventure sports. We explore themes of mentorship, risk management, and the importance of community in high-stakes environments. Serge shares insights on overcoming fear, the competitive nature of flying, and the mental techniques that have helped him succeed in hang gliding, flying F-18 fighter jets, and paragliding. The conversation highlights the parallels between aviation and paragliding, emphasizing the need for grit and the value of learning from mistakes. Serge discusses the importance of training, mentorship, and the lessons learned from both successes and failures. He reflects on his growth as a pilot, the pressures of competition, and his future aspirations in the sport, emphasizing the unique joy of paragliding and the importance of maintaining a passion for flying.In the episode we speak about Serge’s book “Fighter Pilot.” It’s a hoot and can be found here. Takeaways* Serge started flying at four years old.

* He was flying jets by 21.

* The aviation environment is incredibly competitive.

* Mentorship plays a crucial role in pilot training.

* Serge buried five good mates during his career.

* He had a fear of the wind while paragliding.

* Every flight is an opportunity to learn.

* Grit is essential for success in paragliding.

* Mindset shifts can significantly improve performance.

* Serge won the master’s division in a recent race. Risk management is crucial in paragliding, especially in challenging conditions.

* Training should include SIV (Simulation of In-Flight Situations) to build confidence.

* The psychological aspect of flying can be as challenging as the physical demands.

* Having a mentor can significantly enhance a pilot’s skills and confidence.

* Experiencing fear is normal, but it shouldn’t be debilitating.

* The thrill of paragliding comes from the unique experience of flight.

* Competition can push pilots to their limits, revealing their true grit.

* It’s important to have multiple goals to avoid a midlife crisis in sports.

* The journey of growth in paragliding is continuous and rewarding.

* Appreciating the ability to fly is essential for maintaining motivation.Sound Bites* “I started flying at four years old.”

* “I was flying jets by 21.”

* “It was incredibly competitive.”

* “I buried five really good mates.”

* “You’ve got to have some grit.”

* “Every flight’s a training flight.”

* “I had a fear of the wind.
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7 months ago
1 hour 25 minutes 43 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#243 Flying and the Mind: A psychological journey with Paris Williams






19th FAI World Hang Gliding Class 1 Championship

Paris Williams was described to me by our mutual friend Lisa Verzella as a Renaissance man. That will all become clear as you listen to this show. Paris has been flying hang gliders his entire life, and we’re the same age— so a long time. In this episode we explore the multifaceted nature of flying and its psychological implications. Paris has a PHD in psychology and is a practicing psychologist, and he shares his own journey from a challenging childhood and coming from a pretty dark place to finding solace in the skies. We discuss the evolution of hang gliding, the thrill of aerobatics, and the importance of mental health in the sport. We get into mindfulness practices  as a means to enhance performance and maintain presence during flights and the balance between competition and enjoyment and the need to reconnect with the joy of flying. We explore the intricate balance between striving for success and enjoying the journey in flying, and how letting go of the desire for achievement often leads to much better performance. Paris shares his own experience of transitioning from intense competition to a more relaxed approach, focusing instead on fun and personal growth- and then realizing his results got a lot better. We talk about age and how it relates to risk and mortality. We delve into the intricacies and emotional risks of pursuing records and the personal growth that comes from following one’s passion. We discuss the impact of personal struggles on professional life, particularly in the context of mental health and grief. Paris shares insights on navigating grief and trauma, emphasizing the importance of allowing emotions to flow and the natural process of healing. There’s a ton to unpack here, enjoy!TakeawaysParis has a PhD in psychology and works as a psychologist.He runs trauma trainings and eco-therapy sessions.Flying can be a way to escape from mental health struggles.Mindfulness can enhance performance in flying.The thrill of aerobatics can lead to risky behavior.Competition can detract from the joy of flying.Presence is key to performing well in competitions.Expectations can lead to poor performance.Connecting with nature is healing for mental health.The sport should be about passion, not just achievement. The harder I strive, the worse I do.Companionship in flying enhances the experience.Mental health is crucial in competitive sports.Transitioning from competition to enjoyment is vital.Fun should come before achievement in flying.Returning to flying can provide new perspectives.Age brings awareness of mortality and risk.The thrill of flying can be found in relaxation.Exploring new flying techniques can be rewarding.Connecting with nature through flying is essential. The Brazilian paragliding record has been challenged by Texas.Towing techniques have made paragliding records more accessible.Flying with others increases speed and safety in paragliding.Competition flying has a different psychological intensity compared to record attempts.Following your passion is crucial for personal fulfillment.Grief can be seen as a form of trauma that needs processing.Allowing emotions to surface is essential for healing.What you resist persists; facing emotions is necessary for recovery.Breathing techniques can help in processing grief and trauma.Facilitating the natural grief process is key to emotional health.
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7 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes 3 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#242 Stoic, Solo Adventuring with Juraj Koreň
Juraj Koreň is an expert alpine climber and pilot from Slovakia who has been chasing some very extreme (often solo) adventures around the world for the last decade, including his 7 “virgin summits” attempt to climb and fly off the world’s highest peaks. We begin this conversation discussing his experience in the 2019 Red Bull X-Alps and how mistakes in his first race have guided his last five years of preparations for his second race this June, and the lessons learned from both successes and failures in extreme sports. They discuss the challenges of solo climbing, the importance of understanding mortality in adventure sports, and how weather can impact performance. Juraj shares his reflections on his experiences, including a harrowing solo climb of the north face of the Eiger and the mental battles faced during the Red Bull X-Alps race. We discuss the addictive nature of extreme sports, the lessons learned from past experiences, and the importance and intrigue of solo missions for personal growth and reflection. Juraj shares his experiences flying tandem in Pakistan and the dynamics of working with Aaron Durogati, emphasizing the balance between risk and decision-making. The conversation also delves into Juraj’s recent solo 1200km bivouac in New Zealand, highlighting the beauty of solitude and the mental challenges faced during such adventures.Juraj has some great short films from his expeditions on his YouTube Channel. Fun write-up in XCMag about Juraj’s expedition in India that we briefly discuss in the show. Watch Juraj’s incredible solo vol-biv across New Zealand we discuss in the show:

Takeaways* Juraj has been flying since he was 18, with a strong focus on cross-country flying.

* The 2019 X-Alps race was a significant mental challenge for Juraj, leading to weight loss and poor mental health.

* Juraj emphasizes the importance of understanding valley winds for successful flying in the Alps.

* His solo climbing experiences have greatly influenced his approach to adventure sports.

* The Eiger experience was both terrifying and exhilarating, teaching him valuable lessons about risk and preparation.

* Juraj’s philosophy of stoicism helps him accept the risks associated with climbing and flying.

* He has a project called the Seven Virgin Summits, aiming to climb and fly down from virgin peaks on each continent.

* Weather conditions during the 2019 X-Alps were particularly challenging, affecting many participants.

* Juraj’s experiences have taught him that not all experiences need to be positive; they can be strong and impactful.

* He looks forward to future adventures, despite the physical toll they take. Adventure sports create an addictive cocktail of adrenaline and fear.

* Learning from past experiences is crucial for improvement.

* Tandem flying in extreme conditions requires strong teamwork and communication.

* Working with experienced partners can enhance decision-making in risky situations.

* Solo missions provide a unique opportunity for self-discovery and mental clarity.

* The beauty of nature can be a powerful motivator during challenging adventures.

* Effective planning and preparation are key to successful expeditions.

* Understanding weather patterns is essential for safe flying.

* The mental game of decision-making is as important as physical skills in adventure sports.

* Sharing experiences can inspire the next generation of adventur...
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8 months ago
1 hour 20 minutes 20 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#241- Tom De Dorlodot and Resilience
A year ago almost to the day professional Red Bull adventure athlete, 9 time Red Bull-Alps competitor, brainchild of “The Search” projects, professional speaker, loving father and husband Tom De Dorlodot was learning how to kite-ski in Norway for a future planned expedition across the length of Greenland when things went horribly, horribly wrong. This wasn’t Tom’s first major injury, but this one has forced Tom into some scary places both mentally and physically. Tom’s year has been a blur of darkness and light: nine major surgeries, months of antibiotics, at times a real risk of losing his leg pulling against optimism, hope, love of family and beautiful lessons. In this conversation we explore themes of resilience, recovery, and the mental health struggles that accompany physical setbacks. Tom shares insights into his accident, the lengthy recovery process, and how he has managed to stay positive despite the difficulties he’s faced. Tom shares the importance of support systems, the paragliding community, and mental coaching. He discusses the emotional impact the injury has had on his family, the lessons learned from adversity, and how he navigates risk in his athletic career. Tom reflects on his future aspirations, including competing in his 10th Red Bull X-Alps this June, and the shift in his approach to life and sports as he nears 40. Tom and Gavin explore the themes of risk management, life phases, and the importance of gratitude in the context of adventure sports. They discuss the often difficult and opaque balance between pursuing passions and the responsibilities of parenting, emphasizing the need for a shift in perspective towards enjoying life and nature. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced by the younger generation in a digital age and the importance of inspiring them to explore the world beyond screens. Ultimately, they advocate for redefining success in adventure sports, focusing on enjoyment and community rather than competition and ego.

TakeawaysTom expresses gratitude for reconnecting with the paragliding community after a challenging year.The X-Alps race presents unique challenges that require quick decision-making and adaptability.Tom emphasizes the importance of taking calculated risks in adventure sports.Recovery from injury is a long and arduous process, often filled with setbacks.Mental health plays a crucial role in the recovery journey, with ups and downs along the way.Tom’s accident highlights the importance of listening to one’s intuition in risky situations.The conversation reflects on the camaraderie and support within the paragliding community.Tom’s experience with painkillers during recovery sheds light on the challenges of managing pain and addiction.The discussion touches on the significance of family support during tough times.Tom’s journey illustrates the power of resilience and the potential for personal growth after adversity. Support from family and partners is crucial during recovery.Facing the possibility of amputation can lead to a new perspective on life.Injuries affect not just the individual but their loved ones as well.Resilience is key in overcoming challenges and setbacks.Mental coaching can provide valuable insights during tough times.Every challenge presents an opportunity for growth and learning.It’s important to listen to one’s intuition in high-risk situations.Life doesn’t stop for anyone; taking time for oneself is essential.Health issues can shift priorities and perspectives on life.Sharing knowledge and experiences can help guide the next gener...
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8 months ago
1 hour 27 minutes 24 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
#240 A lifetime of Skydiving with Jeff Ayliffe






















Jeff Ayliffe hails from South Africa and has been under some sort of canopy for a great deal of most of his action-packed years, beginning at the age of 5 when he became obsessed with skydiving. Jeff shares his journey from a young skydiving enthusiast to a veteran member of the national team, detailing the evolution of the sport and the safety measures involved. He recounts personal stories, including the thrill of formation flying and some terrifying, and sometimes tragic moments when things went wrong. We dig into Jeff’s transition to paragliding and the excitement of a new sport and new equipment, particularly the Moustache wing. We discuss the addictive nature of flying, the fluid dynamics of ridge soaring, and the rise of parakites. They reflect on the importance of community awareness in the sport, the unique launching techniques of flare wings, and the pure experience of hang gliding. The discussion takes a poignant turn as they delve into life-changing accidents and the lessons learned about risk and consequences in skydiving, culminating in harrowing stories of near-misses and the camaraderie of the skydiving community. We delve into the intricacies of skydiving and paragliding, discussing the importance of altitude awareness, training for emergencies, and the responsibilities of instructors. They reflect on tragic losses in the flying community, the challenges of cross-country flying in South Africa, and the exciting developments in wing technology. Jeff offers insights into career choices and regrets, emphasizing the importance of dedication and continuous learning in the field.TakeawaysJeff Ayliffe has been living in the paragliding capital of South Africa for six years.He transitioned from skydiving to media after the end of apartheid in South Africa.Jeff started skydiving at the age of 15 after being inspired by a skydiving demo.He has a background in teaching skydiving and has worked in media for many years.The evolution of skydiving has seen a shift from large formations to more solo flying.Skydiving is generally considered safer than paragliding, according to Jeff.Jeff experienced a tragic loss in skydiving, which changed his perspective on the sport.He has a passion for speed wings and enjoys flying fast but cautiously now.
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9 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 22 seconds

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast
The Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where you will find fascinating and educational interviews with the best free-flight pilots in the world. If you fly a hanglider or paraglider, if you fly acro or cross country, the Cloudbase Mayhem podcast is where we glean how the great pilots of the world get there. Hosted by Red Bull X-Alps pilot, National Geographic Adventurer of the Year and current holder of the North American foot launch record, Gavin McClurg. Follow me on Instagram @gavinmcclurg or on Facebook @ facebook.com/gavinnmcclurg or Twitter on @cloudbasemayhem.