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Israel/Palestine Podcast
by Berlin Students
52 episodes
3 hours ago
Welcome to our Israel/Palestine Podcast, a project by graduating high school students from Berlin-Neukölln. Our district is home to Germany’s largest Palestinian diaspora and to many young Israelis. Israel and Palestine are painfully present in our district and in our schools. We’ve spoken to historians, legal scholars, trauma researchers, and educators — some of them world-leading experts — to better understand a conflict that shapes identities, divides communities, and echoes through generations. Our approach is multiperspectival. We don't aim to resolve contradictions or controversies, but to hear different perspectives. Human rights and international law are the foundation of responsible multiperspectivism. Across eight chapters and 51 episodes, we explore human realities, urgency, history, the legacies of antisemitism and racism, political and legal debates, psychological dimensions, and challenges for education. “This series, featuring truly internationally leading scholars in their fields, is, I believe, one-of-a-kind.” — Prof. Gudrun Krämer, recipient of the 2025 Historikerpreis, the highest distinction in historical scholarship in Germany “Astonishing … a mammoth undertaking that, in its breadth and depth — and above all in its multifaceted nature — seeks its equal. A treasure trove of historical knowledge. … It is precisely the diversity of perspectives that makes the podcast so valuable — far beyond the targeted education sector.” — Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Christian Meier, Middle East Correspondent Featuring: Michel Friedman — one of the most prominent German public intellectual Alena Jabarine — best-known Palestinian journalist in Germany Gudrun Krämer (FU Berlin) — leading historian of the Middle East Michael Brenner (LMU Munich) & Derek Penslar (Harvard ) — leading scholars of Zionism Adel Manna (Van Leer Jerusalem Institute) — leading scholar of the Nakba Victor Kattan (University of Nottingham) — leading expert on the legal history of the British Mandate Meron Mendel (BS Anne Frank) — leading educational voice on Israel in Germany Eyal Benvenisti (Yale) — leading authority on the laws of occupation Omer Bartov (Brown University) — leading scholar of Holocaust and genocide studies Omri Boehm (The New School) — one of the most influential voices on Israel/Palestine in Germany Claus Kreß (University of Cologne) — leading authority in international criminal law Moshe Zimmermann (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) — leading scholar of modern Jewish history Yael Danieli — pioneer of trauma studies and victims’ rights Ken Stern — lead drafter of the IHRA working definition of antisemitism Alex de Waal — leading authority on hunger and mass violence Norman Stillman — leading scholar of Jews in the Islamic world … and many more. The series begins and ends with voices whose lives were deeply affected by the violence of this conflict: Udi Goren (Bring Them Home Now!), Khalil Sayegh (The Agora Initiative), and Sima & Mai (Young Ambassadors for Peace). “One of the most exciting initiatives of the year. I am not aware of any comparable initiative driven primarily by high school students. Multiperspectivity is a widespread buzzword that is rarely lived up to. This podcast is quite different. It will greatly enrich (not only) the German debate.” — Prof. Simon W. Fuchs, Hebrew University of Jerusalem “They should be applauded for their maturity and inner resoluteness in confronting some of the most painful legacies of our time.” — Dr. Yael Danieli, UN Senior Representative “The students did an amazing job assembling this series and organizing the individual episodes.” — Prof. Derek Penslar, Harvard University “What an inspiring achievement.” — Prof. Omri Boehm, The New School “This initiative is both extraordinary and exemplary.” — Prof. Claus Kreß, co-author of the Rome Statute; Special Adviser to the ICC; Judge ad hoc at the ICJ “A fantastic project.” — Nazih Musharbash, President, German-Palestinian Society
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Welcome to our Israel/Palestine Podcast, a project by graduating high school students from Berlin-Neukölln. Our district is home to Germany’s largest Palestinian diaspora and to many young Israelis. Israel and Palestine are painfully present in our district and in our schools. We’ve spoken to historians, legal scholars, trauma researchers, and educators — some of them world-leading experts — to better understand a conflict that shapes identities, divides communities, and echoes through generations. Our approach is multiperspectival. We don't aim to resolve contradictions or controversies, but to hear different perspectives. Human rights and international law are the foundation of responsible multiperspectivism. Across eight chapters and 51 episodes, we explore human realities, urgency, history, the legacies of antisemitism and racism, political and legal debates, psychological dimensions, and challenges for education. “This series, featuring truly internationally leading scholars in their fields, is, I believe, one-of-a-kind.” — Prof. Gudrun Krämer, recipient of the 2025 Historikerpreis, the highest distinction in historical scholarship in Germany “Astonishing … a mammoth undertaking that, in its breadth and depth — and above all in its multifaceted nature — seeks its equal. A treasure trove of historical knowledge. … It is precisely the diversity of perspectives that makes the podcast so valuable — far beyond the targeted education sector.” — Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Christian Meier, Middle East Correspondent Featuring: Michel Friedman — one of the most prominent German public intellectual Alena Jabarine — best-known Palestinian journalist in Germany Gudrun Krämer (FU Berlin) — leading historian of the Middle East Michael Brenner (LMU Munich) & Derek Penslar (Harvard ) — leading scholars of Zionism Adel Manna (Van Leer Jerusalem Institute) — leading scholar of the Nakba Victor Kattan (University of Nottingham) — leading expert on the legal history of the British Mandate Meron Mendel (BS Anne Frank) — leading educational voice on Israel in Germany Eyal Benvenisti (Yale) — leading authority on the laws of occupation Omer Bartov (Brown University) — leading scholar of Holocaust and genocide studies Omri Boehm (The New School) — one of the most influential voices on Israel/Palestine in Germany Claus Kreß (University of Cologne) — leading authority in international criminal law Moshe Zimmermann (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) — leading scholar of modern Jewish history Yael Danieli — pioneer of trauma studies and victims’ rights Ken Stern — lead drafter of the IHRA working definition of antisemitism Alex de Waal — leading authority on hunger and mass violence Norman Stillman — leading scholar of Jews in the Islamic world … and many more. The series begins and ends with voices whose lives were deeply affected by the violence of this conflict: Udi Goren (Bring Them Home Now!), Khalil Sayegh (The Agora Initiative), and Sima & Mai (Young Ambassadors for Peace). “One of the most exciting initiatives of the year. I am not aware of any comparable initiative driven primarily by high school students. Multiperspectivity is a widespread buzzword that is rarely lived up to. This podcast is quite different. It will greatly enrich (not only) the German debate.” — Prof. Simon W. Fuchs, Hebrew University of Jerusalem “They should be applauded for their maturity and inner resoluteness in confronting some of the most painful legacies of our time.” — Dr. Yael Danieli, UN Senior Representative “The students did an amazing job assembling this series and organizing the individual episodes.” — Prof. Derek Penslar, Harvard University “What an inspiring achievement.” — Prof. Omri Boehm, The New School “This initiative is both extraordinary and exemplary.” — Prof. Claus Kreß, co-author of the Rome Statute; Special Adviser to the ICC; Judge ad hoc at the ICJ “A fantastic project.” — Nazih Musharbash, President, German-Palestinian Society
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Israel/Palestine Podcast
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6 days ago
1 minute 14 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 51: Epilogue: Choosing Justice and Peace (Sima & Mai – Young Ambassadors for Peace / Parents Circle – Families Forum)
Guests: Sima & Mai, Young Ambassadors for Peace / Parents Circle –Families Forum Hosts: Alexandria, Mert & Efe Bio: Sima and Mai are Young Ambassadors for Peace with the Parents Circle – Families Forum (PCFF), an organization of over 800 bereaved Israeli and Palestinian families who have each lost a close relative to the conflict. Mai lost his grandfather, Haim Perry, an artist and peace activist from Kibbutz Nir Oz, abducted and killed during the attacks of October 7, as well as his uncle Daniel Darlington, who was killed at the Nova Festival. Sima's 14-year-old brother was killed by an Israeli soldier, a loss that profoundly affected her family. Despite these tragedies, both dedicate themselves to reconciliation and dialogue, promoting peace, understanding, and coexistence. Through the Young Ambassadors program, they share this message in schools and communities across Israel, Palestine, and beyond. In this final episode: We listen with the heart. The first and last words of this podcast belong to the people who have lost a loved one but still remain comitted to justice and peace. We begin and end the series with the human reality of the conflict, remembering that real people grieve and endure on both sides. Their stories, losses, and resilience have inspired this journey. The young olive tree on our podcast cover, growing in the desert, reminds us of the hope Sima and Mai bring to Israel and Palestine—the wounded and “magical land between the river and the sea” (Mai) they call home. This episode was recorded July 23, 2025. We dedicate our Podcast series to Sima & Mai, Udi Goren, Khalil Sayegh. To Tal’s wife Ela and their children Niv, Einav, Udi, and Lotan; to Khalil Sayegh’s mother and siblings; to Mai’s and Sima’s families; to her mother Bushra. We dedicate this podcast to the blessed memory of: Tal Chaimi, Lara Sayegh, Jeries Sayegh, Mahmoud, Haim Perry, and Daniel Darlington. Efe, Mert, and Alexandria speak with Mai and Sima about their personal losses, the journey of healing, and their work fostering dialogue, understanding, and hope across deep divides. Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 3 minutes 55 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 50: Challenges for Education: Side by Side – Parallel Histories of Israel/Palestine (Prof. Dr. Eyal Naveh – Tel Aviv University)
Guest: Prof. Eyal Naveh – Tel Aviv University Hosts: Yusuf & Mert Bio: Eyal Naveh is an Israeli historian and educator specializing in history education in conflict contexts. He has taught at Kibbutzim College of Education and Tel Aviv University, where he served as Head of the Department of General History and Chair of the General and Interdisciplinary Studies Program. Naveh is co-director of the Peace Research Institute in the Middle East and has been a visiting professor at Harvard, UC Berkeley, Cornell, the University of Toronto, Venice International University, and the University of Vienna. He is best known as a co-creator of the groundbreaking history textbook Side by Side: Parallel Histories of Israel-Palestine (2012), developed with Israeli traumatologist Prof. Dan Bar-On and Palestinian sociologist Prof. Sami Adwan. The book presents Israeli and Palestinian perspectives side by side, enabling students to engage with complex, conflicting narratives without flattening differences. It has received international recognition as a model for post-conflict history education. In this episode: Yusuf and Mert speak with Prof. Naveh about the creation, use, and relevance of the groundbreaking history textbook Side by Side. They discuss collaborating with Israeli and Palestinian educators, the challenges of presenting contrasting narratives, and the book’s reception in schools and academia locally and internationally. The conversation explores the role of history education in conflict regions, political polarization, and teaching empathy, critical thinking, and complex truths to new generations. Prof. Naveh reflects on divisions since October 7, the shrinking space for peace education, and lessons for educators and students in Germany. This episode was recorded July 22, 2025. LInks: Prof. Dr. Eyal Naveh: https://english.tau.ac.il/profile/enaveh Prof. Dr. Sami Adwan: https://www.torgnysegerstedt.se/en/main-article-sami-adwan/ Prof. Dr. Dan Bar On: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bar-On https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/allgemein/pionier-des-dialogs/ Adwan, Sami, Dan Bar-On, and Eyal Naveh, editors. Side by Side: Parallel Histories of Israel-Palestine. The New Press, 2012. https://thenewpress.org/books/side-by-side/?v=eb65bcceaa5f Peace Research Foundation in the Middle East: https://www.vispo.com/PRIME/index.htm Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 34 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 49: Challenges for Education: Solutions – Not Sides: Experiences in Education from the UK (Sharon Booth & Mohamed Ali Amla – Solutions – Not Sides, UK)
Guests: Sharon Booth, CEO Solutions – Not Sides, Mohamed Ali Amla, Public Affairs Director, Solutions – Not Sides Hosts: Mert, Alexandria, Yusuf Bio: Sharon Booth is the Founding Executive Director of Solutions – Not Sides, a leading UK NGO fostering constructive dialogue about Israel/Palestine in schools. She studied Theology and Religious Studies at Cambridge University, taught English in Tunisia, worked on youth publishing initiatives in Amman, and served at the British Embassy. She holds a master’s with distinction from King’s College London, specializing in nationalism and religion. In 2010, she founded Solutions – Not Sides to empower students to engage in non-partisan, solutions-focused learning. Mohammed Ali Amla is the Public Affairs Director at Solutions – Not Sides, overseeing public affairs, crisis communication, strategic partnerships, and youth leadership programs. With over twenty years of experience in faith and policy, he is a researcher, educator, and practitioner. He founded Lita’arafu and Christian Muslim Encounters, advising widely on interfaith dialogue, conflict resolution, peace-building, and community leadership. He focuses on equipping young people to become bridge-builders while addressing antisemitism, Islamophobia, and structural inequality. In this episode: Mert, Alexandria, and Yusuf speak with Sharon Booth and Mohammed Ali Amla about Solutions – Not Sides’ mission and work. They discuss the NGO’s non-partisan, values-driven, and solutions-focused approach, including youth-led workshops and programs such as the Bridge Builders Programme and the Olive Branch Award. The conversation examines strategies for addressing bias, antisemitism, anti-Muslim racism, and for teaching empathy and critical thinking in schools. The guests share insights from classrooms and campuses across the UK, reflecting on broader international implications. Listeners gain practical guidance for creating safe spaces, fostering solutions-oriented thinking, and empowering young people to engage critically and empathetically with one of the world’s most contested conflicts. This episode was recorded September 1, 2025. Links: https://solutionsnotsides.co.uk/ Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 22 minutes 39 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 48: Challenges for Education: Unsettling Empathy - How to Hold Conflicting Truths at the Same Time? (Prof. Dr. Björn Krondorfer – Northern Arizona University, USA)
Guest: Prof. Dr. Björn Krondorfer, Northern Arizona University Hosts: Yusuf & Efe Bio: Björn Krondorfer is the Endowed Professor of Religious Studies and Director of the Martin-Springer Institute at Northern Arizona University. He holds a Ph.D. in Comparative Religion from Temple University and studied Protestant Theology in Frankfurt/Main and Göttingen, Germany. Krondorfer is internationally recognized for his work on post-Holocaust reconciliation, historical trauma, and dialogue among Germans, Israelis, and Palestinians. He brings descendants of Holocaust victims and perpetrators into conversation and extends these dialogues to include Palestinian narratives. He is the author of Unsettling Empathy: Working with Groups in Conflict (2020), Reconciliation in Global Context (2018), and The Holocaust and Masculinities (2020), and facilitates workshops, field encounters, and critical pedagogy that put dialogue into practice. He is the co-chair of the Consortium of Higher Education Centers for Holocaust, Genocide and Human Rights Studies (2020-to date) and the President of the Association for Public Religion and Intellectual Life (2023-to date). In this episode: Yusuf and Efe speak with Prof. Krondorfer about engaging groups affected by historical trauma and conflict, including descendants of Holocaust victims and perpetrators, as well as Germans, Israelis, and Palestinians. They explore intergenerational, transgenerational, historical, and cultural trauma, and how these traumas shape relationships across generations. Krondorfer explains his method of “Unsettling Empathy,” which engages conflicting truths and power dynamics while fostering ethically grounded, emotionally aware dialogue. The discussion covers silenced Palestinian narratives in Germany, Germany’s responsibility toward Israel, and the triangular relationship including Palestinian experiences. Listeners gain insight into how historical wounds, empathy, and self-awareness can transform dialogue, the importance of holding conflicting truths simultaneously, and practical lessons for educators, mediators, and those seeking to bridge deep divides. This episode was recorded July 31, 2025. Links: Prof. Dr. Björn Krondorfer: https://in.nau.edu/martin-springer/staff/about-the-director/ Unsettling Empathy. Working with Groups in Conflict (Bloomsbury, 2020): https://tinyurl.com/mnwdjyhd https://lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/International/content/12232 Review by Dani Kranz: https://tinyurl.com/mrxtkmpw Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
46 minutes 30 seconds

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Ep. 47: Challenges for Education: Evaluating Education on the Israel/Palestine Conflict (Dr. Per Leo – Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin)
Guest: Dr. Per Leo, Historian & Author, Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin Hosts: Efe & Philip Bio: Per Leo studied history, philosophy, and Slavic Studies in Freiburg and Berlin, earning his PhD in 2009 at Humboldt University. His novel Flut und Boden (2015), which reflects on his grandfather Friedrich Leo, an SS-Sturmbannführer, and the family’s history during the Nazi era, was shortlisted for the 2014 Leipzig Book Fair Prize and received several awards. Since 2021, Leo has critically examined German culture of remembrance in the context of the Middle East conflict and migration, notably in his essay Tränen ohne Trauer (2021). He writes for leading publications including Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, Die Welt, and Neue Rundschau, and lives in Berlin with his family as a freelance author. He is a 2024/2025 fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Berlin (Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin) where he examines how schools deal with the Israel/Palestine conflict. In this episode: Efe and Philip speak with Dr. Per Leo about how the Israel-Palestine conflict is addressed in Berlin schools. Drawing on his research and conversations with teachers, parents, and students, Dr. Leo examines how the conflict is taught, how schools both reflect and diverge from broader societal discourse, and the challenges educators face in navigating such a sensitive topic. He reflects on the distinction between memory culture and critical historical consciousness, the importance of the Beutelsbach Consensus in teaching such a contested topic, and the necessity of embracing multiple perspectives. This episode was recorded July 11, 2025. Links: Dr. Per Leo: https://www.wiko-berlin.de/fellows/akademisches-jahr/2024/leo-per Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 14 minutes 52 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 45: Challenges for Education: Creating Safer and Braver Spaces in Schools to Talk About the Conflict II (Mohammed Ibrahim & Sapir Huberman – Independent Dialogue Facilitators)
Guests: Mohamed Ibrahim – Political Scientist and Educator; recipient of the Flechtheim Award for Democracy & Human Rights 2015 Sapir Huberman – Mediator, Curator, Scholar & Educator Host: Efe Bio: Mohamed Ibrahim is a political scientist specializing in international cooperation. For over 15 years, he has led workshops on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with Israeli colleagues and works as an interreligious and intercultural trainer in Jewish-Muslim and Israeli-Palestinian dialogue. He has facilitated workshops for the Ehrlich-Ludwig-Studienwerk and Avicenna Studienwerk and moderated a Jewish-Muslim discussion group at the Jewish Museum Berlin. Born in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and raised in Germany, he received the Flechtheim Prize for Democracy and Human Rights in 2015 with Shemi Shabat for his dialogue work. He is one of the most respected voices for Israeli-Palestinian dialogue in Germany. Sapir Huberman is an Israeli mediator, curator, scholar, and cultural educator who develops educational programs on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Jewish history, and Jewish life. She is pursuing a PhD in Literature and Cultural Studies at Justus Liebig University Giessen. Born in Tel Aviv as a descendant of Holocaust survivors, she has lived in Berlin for several years. The recent escalation of the Middle East conflict is deeply personal for her, as her siblings survived the October 7 massacre in a safe room in Kibbutz Beeri. Together, Sapir Huberman and Mohamed create dialogue spaces that foster understanding through multiperspectivity, enabling nuanced engagement with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They listen and reflect with care, cultivating spaces that hold the conflicting emotions arising from vastly different lived experiences.In this episode: We speak with Mohamed Ibrahim and Sapir Huberman about their personal and family connections to Israel and Palestine and their work facilitating dialogue. This episode was recorded September 7, 2025. Links: Mohamed Ibrahim: https://www.jmberlin.de/interview-tandemfuehrungen-ausstellung-jerusalem https://taz.de/Nahostkonflikt-und-Holocaust-an-Schulen/!5033577/ Sapir Huberman: https://il.linkedin.com/in/sapir-huberman-711b904 To contact both: NahostImDialog@gmx.de Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 30 minutes 23 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 44: Challenges for Education: Creating Safer and Braver Spaces in Schools to Talk About the Conflict I (Jouanna Hassoun / Shai Hoffmann – Trialog)
Guests: Jouanna Hassoun / Shai Hoffmann – Trialog / Gesellschaft im Wandel gGmbH Hosts: Philip, Bünyamin Bio: Jouanna Hassoun is the founder of Transaidency, a German-Palestinian organization promoting intercultural dialogue, empowerment, and human rights education. She regularly facilitates dialogue formats in schools. Shai Hoffmann is a Social entrepreneur, educational activist, and podcast host (Über Israel und Palästina sprechen). Known for innovative political dialogue initiatives such as the Bus der Begegnungen and Tiny Space Über Israel und Palästina sprechen, he brings together people who rarely engage with one another. Together, Jouanna and Shai run the project Trialog, visiting schools since October 7 to discuss the massacre, the ongoing devastation of Gaza, and its impact on Muslim and Jewish life in Germany. Their aim is to create spaces where students can ask difficult questions, explore multiple perspectives, and see that both Jewish and Palestinian experiences matter. Their work and experiences are documented in a common book. They have both received numerous awards for the commitment for human rights and peace education. In this episode: We speak with Jouanna Hassoun and Shai Hoffmann about their personal and family connections to Israel and Palestine, how these shaped their identities in Germany, and their first encounters with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They share their experiences conducting dialogue and human rights education in schools: what works, typical challenges, and surprising student reactions. They discuss how the current attacks on international law affect democracy education and the challenges teachers face when engaging with controversial issues in classrooms and why they should not avoid speaking about the Middle East conflict. Finally, Jouanna and Shai share their short- and long-term visions for Israel and Palestine, highlighting the importance of dialogue, humanity, and principled engagement in times of crisis. This episode was recorded April 14, 2025. Links: Shai Hoffmann: https://shaihoffmann.de/ Jouanna Hassoun: https://www.instagram.com/jouannahassoun/?hl=de Trialog: https://israelpalaestinavideos.org/trialog-buch Transaidency e.V.: https://transaidency.org/trialoge-israel-palaestina/ Gesellschaft im Wandel gGmbH: https://www.gesellschaftimwandel.org/ Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
28 minutes 59 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 43: Challenges for Education: Conflicts over the Conflict in Schools (Prof. Dr. Meron Mendel – Bildungsstätte Anne Frank / Frankfurt UAS)
Guest: Prof. Dr. Meron Mendel, Bildungsstätte Anne Frank / Frankfurt UAS Hosts: Philip & Efe Bio: Prof. Dr. Meron Mendel is an educator, historian, and publicist. Since 2010, he has been the Director of the Anne Frank Educational Center in Frankfurt am Main and also serves as Professor of Transnational Social Work at the Frankfurt University of Applied Sciences. He is considered one of the most important voices in Germany when it comes to issues of remembrance culture, antisemitism, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in education and culture. For his work, he was awarded the Federal Cross of Merit in 2024 and together with his wife Saba-Nur Chema the Buber-Rosenzweig Medal in 2025. In this episode: We speak with Prof. Dr. Meron Mendel about the current escalation in the Middle East and its impact on politics, society, and education in Germany. Together we explore why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict provokes such deep divisions worldwide, how antisemitism and racism surface in this context, and what challenges schools are facing. Prof. Mendel discusses how teachers can reflect existing controversies in a multiperspectival way that allows students to engage critically and form their own opinions. We also look at political measures such as bans on symbols and restrictions on freedom of expression, and ask how educators should address the contentious debate surrounding the term genocide. This episode was recorded August 4, 2025. Links: Prof. Dr. Meron Mendel: https://www.meronmendel.de/ Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
26 minutes 43 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 42: Psychological Dimensions: The Long Shadow of the Perpetrators (Alexandra Senfft – Author)
Guest: Alexandra Senfft – Author; vice-chair of the Study Group on Intergenerational Consequences of the Holocaust PAKH  Hosts: Efe & Philip  Bio: Alexandra Senfft is a German writer and free-lance journalist, a Middle East expert, and political author. She studied Middle Eastern Studies and worked as a non-partisan Middle East adviser for the Green Party in the Bundestag/German parliament, later serving as UNRWA observer in the West Bank and UNRWA spokesperson in Gaza until 1991. Senfft has worked extensively in Israel as a journalist and expert, served on the board of the German-Israeli Working Group for Peace in the Middle East, and collaborated with Israeli psychologist Dan Bar-On in the Storytelling in Conflict program, bringing descendants of Holocaust victims and perpetrators into dialogue, later extended to Israelis and Palestinians. Her books include Schweigen tut weh (2007, Silence Hurts), Zwischen Antisemitismus und Islamophobie (2008, Between Antisemitism and Islamophobi), Der lange Schatten der Täter (2016, The Long Shadow of the Perpetrators), and Onkel Pauls Geigenbogen. Die Familiengeschicht eines preußischen Sinto (2019, Great Uncle Paul’s Violin Bow). She is vice-chair of the Study Group on Intergenerational Consequences of the Holocaust PAKH and a board member of the Lagergemeinschaft Dachau (camp community of Dachau) and founder and board member of Parents Circle Friends Germany,. In this episode: Efe and Philip speak with Alexandra Senfft about the long shadow of the Nazi era and intergenerational consequences in Germany. Senfft reflects on being the first grandchild of a Nazi perpetrator to publicly confront her family history, exposing the silence and denial shaping many perpetrator families. The conversation explores familial silence, perceptions of responsibility, and societal implications of unaddressed trauma and guilt. Senfft discusses her work in the framework of Holocaust intergenerational studies, her UNRWA experience in Westbank and Gaza, lessons from Dan Bar-On’s dialogue-based conflict resolution, and how dialogue between Germans, Israelis and Palestinians can help address complex inherited emotions and attitudes.  This episode was recorded July 2, 2025. Links: Alexandra Senfft: https://alexandra-senfft.de/ Disclaimer:Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
57 minutes 41 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 41: Psychological Dimensions: Trauma Legacies in the Middle East II (Dr. Sami Awad – Holy Land Trust, Bethlehem)
Guest: Dr. Sami Awad – Holy Land Trust, Betlehem; co-director of Nonviolence International Hosts: Alexandria & Yusuf Bio: Dr. Sami Awad was born in the US and grew up in Bethlehem in a Palestinian Christian family. His father comes from a refugee family that lost their home in Jerusalem in 1948, and his mother is from Gaza. He is the nephew of Mubarak Awad, a pioneer of Palestinian nonviolent resistance. He studied Political Science at the University of Kansas and International Relations at the American University in Washington, D.C., focusing on peace and conflict resolution, and later earned a Doctorate in Divinity from the Chicago Theological Seminary. After returning to Palestine, he founded Holy Land Trust, a community-based organization in Bethlehem promoting justice and peace through empowerment, training, and trauma healing. He is a leading voice on the psychological and intergenerational wounds of conflict, emphasizing spiritual and emotional resources to break cycles of violence. After October 7, he was described in DIE ZEIT as a “Palestinian Gandhi.” He is the co-director of Nonviolence International. In this episode: Yusuf and Alexandria speak with Dr. Awad about trauma from a Palestinian perspective. He traces his journey into peace work, shaped by his family’s history, including his grandmother, who taught that revenge had no place even after losing her husband and property in 1948. The conversation explores trauma’s ongoing impact on Palestinian identity, collective memory, and politics: the Nakba as an intergenerational wound, Gaza’s devastation, and October 7. Dr. Awad explains that historical trauma can be addressed during conflict, while immediate trauma can only be confronted once violence subsides. Healing, he says, is guided by truth, empathy, accountability, and respect, transforming suffering into awareness, connection, and constructive action. He outlines a path of “sacred activism,” linking personal and collective healing with social change, showing that true peace requires confronting trauma, restoring dignity, and breaking cycles of fear and violence. This episode was recorded June 4, 2025. Links: Dr. Sami Aawad: https://sami-awad.com/ Non Violence International: https://www.nonviolenceinternational.net/s_awad Holy Land Trust: https://holylandtrust.org/ Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
45 minutes 41 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 40: Psychological Dimensions: Trauma Legacies in the Middle East I (Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone – Author & Psychotherapist, USA)
Guest: Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone, PhD, Author & Psychotherapist Hosts: Alexandria & Yusuf Bio: Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone, Ph.D., is a Jungian psychotherapist, rabbi, and a leading figure in the international Jewish Renewal movement. Raised in an Orthodox Jewish family in St. Louis, she is the daughter of a Holocaust survivor—her mother escaped Nazi Germany on the last Kindertransport, and her Jewish American father was one of the liberators of Bergen-Belsen. She is also the younger sister of the radical feminist pioneer Shulamith Firestone. Ordained in 1992 by Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, Rabbi Firestone integrates Jewish mystical traditions, feminist insights, and contemporary psychology to address inherited trauma. She is the author of the award-winning Wounds into Wisdom: Healing Intergenerational Jewish Trauma (2019), which received the 2020 Nautilus Gold Award in Psychology and the Jewish Women’s Caucus Book Award from the American Association for Women in Psychology. Her work explores trauma, spirituality, feminism, and healing, providing practical tools for individuals and communities to transform inherited wounds. In this episode: Alexandria and Yusuf speak with Rabbi Dr. Firestone about trauma, inheritance, and healing. They explore her journey to becoming a rabbi and psychotherapist, and how trauma affects families, communities, and societies. Rabbi Firestone explains intergenerational trauma through family stories, collective memory, and epigenetics, highlighting that trauma can be transformed through awareness and intentional healing. The conversation covers Jewish collective trauma, historical persecution including the Holocaust, and contemporary crises such as October 7 and the Gaza war, examining retraumatization and suffering in both Jewish and Palestinian communities. She reflects on the challenges of healing amid ongoing conflict, the roles of justice, empathy, and ending violence, and shares insights on ritual, dialogue, and resilience, offering hope for young people navigating uncertain times. This episode was recorded March 13, 2025. Links: Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone: https://www.tirzahfirestone.com/ Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 1 minute 17 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 39: Psychological Dimensions: Transgenerational Trauma and the Holocaust (Dr. Yael Danieli – UN Senior Representative, New York)
Guest: Dr. Yael Danieli (UN Senior Representative) Host: Alexandria, Mert & Efe Bio: Dr. Yael Danieli is a truly historic figure as a world-renowned clinical psychologist who has transformed the study of trauma through her pioneering work on the transgenerational impact of the Holocaust. She co-founded the Group Project for Holocaust Survivors and their Children, establishing the world’s first psychological care program for survivors, and in 2014 founded the International Center for the Study, Prevention, and Treatment of Multigenerational Legacies of Trauma. Creator of the Danieli Inventory for Multigenerational Legacies of Trauma, she has redefined research on inherited trauma across cultures. A trailblazing victimologist, Dr. Danieli has advised the UN, the International Criminal Court, all international genocide tribunals, and South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission. She is the only living person who has helped establish all existing victims’ rights in international law and contributed to reparative justice in some of the world’s most troubled regions. In 2021, she received the Human Rights Leadership Award from the Manhattan Borough President and the Arts4All Foundation. In this Episode: Alexandria, Efe, and Mert speak with Dr. Danieli from Berlin, 80 years after the liberation of Auschwitz. She reflects on growing up in British Mandate Palestine, witnessing the arrival of Holocaust survivors, and experiencing the early years of Israel—experiences that shaped her lifelong dedication to trauma and resilience. The conversation explores her pioneering work in psychological care, including the development of the Danieli Inventory, the International Center, and her advisory roles in international law. Core trauma concepts discussed include the “conspiracy of silence,” coping styles, and intergenerational trauma. Dr. Danieli addresses the profound psychological impact of October 7 on Jewish communities, the rise in antisemitism and deep sense of betrayal, and the situation in Gaza. She also discusses Sadat’s 1977 Knesset speech, in which he described the “psychological wall” of fear, noting that it represents 70% of the Middle East conflict. Throughout, she emphasizes reparative justice and society’s responsibility to respond to human suffering, offering listeners rare insight from a historic and authoritative voice in trauma studies and international justice. This episode was recorded July 24, 2025. Links: Dr. Yael Danieli: https://www.dryaeldanieli.com/ International Center for MultiGenerational Legacies of Trauma: https://icmglt.org/ Dr. Danieli asks the hosts to read key findings from a study she conducted for the UN Human Rights Commissioner on the “Necessary Elements of Healing after Massive Trauma.” She explains that these findings are based on extensive research across diverse post-conflict contexts, highlighting the psychological, social, and moral elements essential for recovery at the individual, societal, national, and international levels. She later emphasizes that acknowledging both Israeli and Palestinian pain requires applying these findings to both sides, holding them together, and stressing that effective healing must address the suffering of all communities involved at all levels. https://tinyurl.com/y9bra9m6 Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
2 hours 27 minutes 10 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 38: Legal Analysis & Debate: Human Rights Situation in the Westbank (Michael Sfard – Human Rights Lawyer, Tel Aviv)
Guest: Michael Sfard – Human Rights Lawyer, Tel Aviv Hosts: Mert & Yusuf Bio: Michael Sfard is Israel's leading human rights lawyer, known for representing activists, major human rights and peace organizations before Israel’s Supreme Court and in international forums. His practice focuses on strategic litigation against occupation, racism, and discrimination. A graduate of the Hebrew University and University College London, he has received the Emil Grinzweig Human Rights Award and authored The Wall and the Gate: Israel, Palestine, and the Legal Battle for Human Rights (2018). He serves as a commissioner with the International Commission of Jurists. He is the grandson of the sociologist and Holocaust survivor Zygmunt Bauman, and the son of parents who were expelled from Poland in 1968 for their participation in student protests, a background that connects him to a family tradition of critical thinking and engagement with justice. In this episode: Mert, and Yusuf speak with Michael Sfard about the power and limits of law in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Sfard shares why he became a human rights lawyer, and how international law has shaped – and struggled with – questions of justice, occupation, and rights. The conversation traces the evolution of international law and Israel’s legal system, examines what law says about military occupation and Gaza’s contested status, and unpacks recent rulings and warrants from the ICJ and ICC. He offers insights into the daily life in the West Bank, reflecting on how realities have shifted since October 7. Finally, he asks whether law can still serve justice in an uneven world – and what message he would give to a new generation of justice-seekers. This episode was recorded June 10, 2025. Links: Michael Sfard: https://www.sfard.co.il/en ICJ Advisory Opinion on the Occupied Palestinian Territories (17 July 2024): https://tinyurl.com/54nf99ru ICERD Artikel 3: https://tinyurl.com/muw46yvf Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
1 hour 2 minutes 18 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 37: Legal Analysis & Debate: Legal Aspects of the Current Escalation (Dr. Nahed Samour – Radboud University, NL)
Guest: Dr. Nahed Samour, Radboud University, NL Host: Yusuf Bio: Dr. Nahed Samour is an internationally recognized legal scholar. She studied law and Islamic studies in Bonn, Birzeit/Ramallah, London, Berlin, Harvard, and Damascus, and completed her PhD at the Max Planck Institute for European Legal History in Frankfurt. She has conducted postdoctoral research in Helsinki, Göttingen, and Berlin, and taught as junior faculty at the Institute for Global Law and Policy at Harvard Law School. Currently, she conducts research and teaches at Radboud University in the Netherlands, focusing on constitutional law and international law. In this Episode: Yusuf speaks with Dr. Nahed Samour about the experiences of the Palestinian community in Germany since October 7 and the international legal assessment of the latest developments in Israel and Gaza. Dr. Samour explains the legal foundations of the concept of genocide, the ICJ’s preliminary measures in South Africa’s case against Israel, and the standards for proving genocidal intent. She also discusses the international responsibility of states supplying weapons to parties in conflict, historical comparisons with Bosnia and Myanmar, and the mechanisms in international law designed to prevent or stop an ongoing genocide. Another key topic is the ICC arrest warrants issued against Hamas leaders and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. Dr. Samour explains the potential legal implications of these decisions and finally, she examines the ICJ advisory opinion on the occupation of the Palestinian territories, its significance under international law, and consequences for German foreign policy. This episode was recorded March 20, 2025. Links: Dr. Nahed Samour: https://racereligionresearch.org/research-project/researchers/nahed-samour UN Genocide Convention: https://tinyurl.com/rv8puxnj ICJ Provisional Measures, South Africa v. Israel (26 Jan. 2024): https://tinyurl.com/2aesmt7n ICJ Advisory Opinion on the Occupied Palestinian Territories (17 July 2024): https://tinyurl.com/54nf99ru ICERD Artikel 3: https://tinyurl.com/muw46yvf Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
29 minutes 36 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 36: Legal Analysis & Debate: Key Concepts of International Law and the Current State of Jurisprudence (Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Claus Kreß – University of Cologne / International Court of Justice)
Guest: Professor Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Claus Kreß (University of Cologne / International Court of Justice) Hosts: Philip, Yusuf & Efe Bio: Prof. Claus Kreß is a leading scholar of international law. He holds the Chair for Criminal Law and International Law at the University of Cologne and directs the Institute for Peace Research and Security Law. He has held guest professorships at Cambridge, Melbourne, Kyoto, and Columbia. His research on the use of force, the law of armed conflict, and international criminal law is reflected in over 200 publications. He is a Life Member of Clare Hall College, Cambridge. Kreß has played a central role in shaping international criminal law, serving as a delegate for Germany during the drafting of the Rome Statute, helping define the crime of aggression adopted in 2010, and acting as Special Adviser to the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court. He has also been appointed ad hoc judge in the ICJ genocide case The Gambia v. Myanmar and has received multiple honorary doctorates as well as the M.C. Bassiouni Justice Award. He is a member of the North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and Humanities and the German National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina. In this episode: In this legal anchor episode, hosts Efe, Philip, and Yusuf speak with Prof. Kreß about key concepts of international law, its institutions, and jurisprudence concerning Israel and Palestine. They explore the Rome Statute, the differences between the ICJ and ICC, and the definitions of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. Prof. Kreß analyzes the October 7 Hamas attacks, the status of Gaza after 2005, and ICC charges against Hamas and Israeli officials. He explains the difficulty of proving genocidal intent, referencing the Srebrenica genocide, and discusses the ICJ’s evaluation of South Africa’s case against Israel and its 2024 advisory opinion on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. The conversation also addresses Israeli and U.S. strikes on Iran, risks to international law from sanctions against ICC officials, and broader challenges to the rules-based international order. Prof. Kreß concludes by emphasizing the importance of youth engagement to safeguard and strengthen the future of international justice. This episode was recorded July 3, 2025. Links: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Claus Kreß: https://iipsl.jura.uni-koeln.de/en/people/director UN Genocide Convention: https://tinyurl.com/rv8puxnj ICJ Provisional Measures, South Africa v. Israel (26 Jan. 2024): https://tinyurl.com/2aesmt7n ICJ Advisory Opinion on the Occupied Palestinian Territories (17 July 2024): https://tinyurl.com/54nf99ru IVth. Geneva Convention (1949), Article 49 (6): "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.“ https://tinyurl.com/542zardk ICERD Artikel 3: https://tinyurl.com/muw46yvf Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.
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6 days ago
2 hours 32 minutes 31 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 35: Legal Analysis & Debate: 360-Degree Perspective on the Human Rights Situation since October 7 (Dr. Agnès Callamard – Secretary General, Amnesty International & Dr. Julia Duchrow – Secretary General, Amnesty International Germany)
Guests: Dr. Agnès Callamard, Secretary General, Amnesty International & Dr. Julia Duchrow, Secretary General, Amnesty International, Germany Hosts: Alexandria, Mert & Yusuf Bio: Dr. Agnès Callamard is a globally recognized human rights expert and current Secretary General of Amnesty International. She previously served as UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary, or arbitrary executions, leading the landmark investigation into the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Callamard also directed Columbia University’s Global Freedom of Expression initiative and is a leading voice on international law and accountability. Dr. Julia Duchrow is Secretary General of Amnesty International Germany and a legal scholar specializing in human rights advocacy. She formerly led Amnesty Germany’s Policy and Advocacy division and headed Human Rights and Peace at Brot für die Welt. Duchrow has represented Germany on the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency board and advised the German Foreign Office on civilian crisis prevention, emerging as a prominent voice on human rights, civil liberties, and Germany’s role in international justice. In this Episode: Recorded on July 14, 2025, hosts Yusuf, Alexandria, and Mert speak with Dr. Callamard and Dr. Duchrow about the human rights situation since Oct 7 in Israel, Gaza, the Westbank, Germany, the US and Iran.Amnesty International's 2022 Apartheid report was widely criticized in Germany, esp. for extending the legal allegation of apartheid to Israel proper. Another essential point of criticism was its retrospective analysis that gives "the impression that all measures to institutionalize the described system were deliberately and intentionally implemented from the founding of the state onward. This largely obscures the conflict dynamics that repeatedly contributed to worsening the situation and prevented alternative developments." Cf: https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2022A13/ To explore multiple perspectives, we also recommend to listen to our episode with Eyal Benvenisti (Ep. 36), a leading authority on the laws of occupation. This episode was recorded July 18, 2025. Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms and the state of jurisprudence are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
57 minutes 52 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 34: Political Analysis & Debate: Nazih Musharbash (President of the German-Palestinian Society)
Guest: Nazih Musharbash – President of the German-Palestinian Society Hosts: Philipp & Mert Bio: Nazih Musharbash is the President of the German-Palestinian Society. He served for many years as a school principal and as coordinator for school development and evaluation at the Weser-Ems regional authority. Musharbash lives in Bad Iburg and was a member of the city council for 34 years as well as a county councilor in Osnabrück for more than 25 years. In 1997, he was elected to the Lower Saxony state parliament as a member of the SPD. In 2025, he received the Courage Award of the Committee Courage in his hometown of Bad Iburg. In this Episode: Recorded June 20, 2025, hosts Philipp and Mert welcome Nazih Musharbash, President of the German-Palestinian Society. He speaks about his personal background, his decades of work in politics and education, and what motivated him to strengthen German-Palestinian relations. They reflect on the aftermath of October 7 and the Gaza war, the challenges of making Palestinian perspectives heard in Germany, and the broader role of the German-Palestinian Society today. Drawing on his experience as a school principal, Musharbash also offers insights into how schools can create space for multiperspectival approaches to Israel/Palestine and how memory culture might be expanded to include Palestinian experiences. The conversation also explores media representation and prospects for political solutions—from the viability of a two-state model to grassroots initiatives. Musharbash closes with a hopeful outlook, encouraging young people to resist prejudice, value education, and stay engaged in the pursuit of justice and peace. This episode was recorded March 14, 2025. Links: German-Palestinian Society:https://dpg-netz.de/ Please also check out our other episodes in the political debate chapter to explore multiple perspectives. Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
37 minutes 54 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 33: Political Analysis & Debate: Alena Jabarine (Author & Journalist, Hamburg)
Guest: Alena Jabarine – Journalist and Author Hosts: Efe & Philip Bio: Alena Jabarine, born in 1985 in Hamburg, is a German-Palestinian journalist, author, and Middle East expert. She studied Political Science in Hamburg and earned a Master’s in International Relations in Barcelona. After a traineeship at NDR, she worked as a radio and TV reporter and contributed to NDR Info, STRG_F, Panorama 3, Monitor, StudioM, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, and Spotify Originals. She has received multiple awards, including the Kurt-Magnus-Preis (2016), MedienSpiegel (2016), Juliane-Bartel-Medienpreis (2018), and the Grimme Online Award (2021). From 2020–2022 she lived in Ramallah, reporting on everyday life and politics for the Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung. Since May 2024, she curates Gaza Talks at the Berliner Ensemble. In May 2025, her autobiographical book Der letzte Himmel. Meine Suche nach Palästina (Ullstein, 2025) became a Spiegel bestseller, establishing her as one of the most prominent Palestinian voices in Germany today. In this Episode: Alena Jabarine shares her insights on the devastation of Gaza and the escalating crisis in the West Bank following October 7. She discusses how Palestinians in Israel, the West Bank, and Germany have experienced the aftermath of the attacks, the challenges faced by families, and the harshly criticized work of organizations such as the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. She reflects on the intersection of pro-Palestinian advocacy and public perception with freedom of expression, and considers what lessons society and schools can draw to support Palestinian communities in Germany. This episode was recorded on July 9, 2025. Links: Jabarine, Alena. Der letzte Himmel: Meine Suche nach Palästina [The Last Sky: My Quest for Palestine]. Ullstein Verlag, 2025. https://www.ullstein.de/werke/der-letzte-himmel/hardcover/9783550203145?utm_source=chatgpt.com The book title references: Darwish, Mahmoud. “The Earth Is Closing On Us.” Translated by Abdullah al‑Udhari, in Victims of a Map: A Bilingual Anthology of Arabic Poetry. Ed. Adonis, Samih al‑Qasim, and Mahmoud Darwish. London: Saqi Books, 1984, pp. 12‑13. Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
48 minutes 53 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Ep. 32: Political Analysis & Debate: Gil Shohat (Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, Tel Aviv)
Guest: Gil Shohat, M.A. – Director, Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung Israel Hosts: Mert & Efe Bio: Gil Shohat (b. 1988, Bonn) is a historian and political scientist specializing in modern Israeli and German political culture. He studied in Munich, Exeter, and Berlin and has researched anti-colonial activism and Marxist historiography in Britain. Since 2021, he has directed the Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung in Israel, contributing insights on politics, education, and civil society. Shohat regularly publishes and speaks on German memory culture, antisemitism, racism, and Israel-Palestine dynamics in Germany. In this Episode: Recorded June 20, 2025, Efe and Mert discuss with Shohat the political climate in Israel, the ongoing impact of October 7, and regional dynamics including tensions with Iran. Shohat reflects on Israeli society, public opinion, and the trajectory of support for the Gaza war, challenges facing Arab Israelis, and shifts in the West Bank, the military, intelligence services, and the Knesset. He also addresses international responses, including the ICJ’s acceptance of South Africa’s genocide case and human rights reports, offering nuanced reflections. Turning to Germany, Shohat analyzes public and political reactions, debates over pro-Palestinian demonstrations, and tensions between free speech and antisemitism, including the current debate about definitions of antisemitism. The episode closes with Shohat’s perspective on Germany’s engagement with Israel and Palestine and the role of education in promoting informed understanding. This episode was recorded July 14, 2025. Links: Gil Shohat, M.A.: https://www.rosalux.de/profil/es_detail/3IPF6THMKG/ma-gil-shohat?cHash=71e51c08171ebd2fa1c7dc735b09d793 Comparison of the three main definitions of antisemitism (IHRA, JDA, Nexus): https://thirdnarrative.org/three-definitions-of-antisemitism-a-comparison/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Disclaimer: Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team. Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.
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6 days ago
50 minutes 45 seconds

Israel/Palestine Podcast
Welcome to our Israel/Palestine Podcast, a project by graduating high school students from Berlin-Neukölln. Our district is home to Germany’s largest Palestinian diaspora and to many young Israelis. Israel and Palestine are painfully present in our district and in our schools. We’ve spoken to historians, legal scholars, trauma researchers, and educators — some of them world-leading experts — to better understand a conflict that shapes identities, divides communities, and echoes through generations. Our approach is multiperspectival. We don't aim to resolve contradictions or controversies, but to hear different perspectives. Human rights and international law are the foundation of responsible multiperspectivism. Across eight chapters and 51 episodes, we explore human realities, urgency, history, the legacies of antisemitism and racism, political and legal debates, psychological dimensions, and challenges for education. “This series, featuring truly internationally leading scholars in their fields, is, I believe, one-of-a-kind.” — Prof. Gudrun Krämer, recipient of the 2025 Historikerpreis, the highest distinction in historical scholarship in Germany “Astonishing … a mammoth undertaking that, in its breadth and depth — and above all in its multifaceted nature — seeks its equal. A treasure trove of historical knowledge. … It is precisely the diversity of perspectives that makes the podcast so valuable — far beyond the targeted education sector.” — Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Christian Meier, Middle East Correspondent Featuring: Michel Friedman — one of the most prominent German public intellectual Alena Jabarine — best-known Palestinian journalist in Germany Gudrun Krämer (FU Berlin) — leading historian of the Middle East Michael Brenner (LMU Munich) & Derek Penslar (Harvard ) — leading scholars of Zionism Adel Manna (Van Leer Jerusalem Institute) — leading scholar of the Nakba Victor Kattan (University of Nottingham) — leading expert on the legal history of the British Mandate Meron Mendel (BS Anne Frank) — leading educational voice on Israel in Germany Eyal Benvenisti (Yale) — leading authority on the laws of occupation Omer Bartov (Brown University) — leading scholar of Holocaust and genocide studies Omri Boehm (The New School) — one of the most influential voices on Israel/Palestine in Germany Claus Kreß (University of Cologne) — leading authority in international criminal law Moshe Zimmermann (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) — leading scholar of modern Jewish history Yael Danieli — pioneer of trauma studies and victims’ rights Ken Stern — lead drafter of the IHRA working definition of antisemitism Alex de Waal — leading authority on hunger and mass violence Norman Stillman — leading scholar of Jews in the Islamic world … and many more. The series begins and ends with voices whose lives were deeply affected by the violence of this conflict: Udi Goren (Bring Them Home Now!), Khalil Sayegh (The Agora Initiative), and Sima & Mai (Young Ambassadors for Peace). “One of the most exciting initiatives of the year. I am not aware of any comparable initiative driven primarily by high school students. Multiperspectivity is a widespread buzzword that is rarely lived up to. This podcast is quite different. It will greatly enrich (not only) the German debate.” — Prof. Simon W. Fuchs, Hebrew University of Jerusalem “They should be applauded for their maturity and inner resoluteness in confronting some of the most painful legacies of our time.” — Dr. Yael Danieli, UN Senior Representative “The students did an amazing job assembling this series and organizing the individual episodes.” — Prof. Derek Penslar, Harvard University “What an inspiring achievement.” — Prof. Omri Boehm, The New School “This initiative is both extraordinary and exemplary.” — Prof. Claus Kreß, co-author of the Rome Statute; Special Adviser to the ICC; Judge ad hoc at the ICJ “A fantastic project.” — Nazih Musharbash, President, German-Palestinian Society