In the season one finale of On Scope, host Mike Berberich and show producer Ryan Dinger reflect on some of the most valuable marketing lessons guests shared in 2025. From balancing short-term tactics with long-term brand building to navigating AI adoption and responsible marketing, you’ll hear valuable insights from former Mastercard CMO Raja Rajamannar, Deloitte Digital’s Maggie Gross, eos’s Soyoung Kang, and more.If your business wants real connection, then it’s time to partner with the ANA. Become an official ANA sponsor and you will connect with the brands shaping the future of our industry, from Google and Amazon to Meta and TikTok. You can learn more about the fantastic opportunities available to you by visiting www.ana.net/sponsorship.The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net.

Caitlin Blewett is a fierce believer that bold brands build strong businesses. As the CMO at Genpact — named one of the World’s Best Employers by Forbes for three years straight — she understands how important internal branding can be to driving healthy and productive cultures. Caitlin joins the On Scope podcast to give listeners a behind-the-scenes look at her company’s practical approach to AI implementation, which is powering both their cultural and bottom-line success.Along with host Mike Berberich, Caitlin covers the signals she and her team look for when determining if a function of the business is ready for AI implementation, how marketers can approach maintaining brand differentiation in AI’s growing “sea of sameness,” and how employees of all levels can work to convince leaders caught up in the AI hype cycle that a thoughtful approach is more beneficial.On This Week in ANA Magazine, magazine editor Matthew Schwartz, joins Mike to outline the ways in which several B2B brands are once again borrowing from a B2C playbook by leaning into influencer marketing. Matthew shares real-world examples and best practices for business marketers to keep in mind.The ANA Technology Practice helps marketers make smarter choices about AI and marketing tech, with practical tools, guidance, and peer insights to drive real business impact. Because the right tech doesn’t just automate marketing — it amplifies it. Explore all of the ANA’s technology resources by visiting www.ana.net/technology. The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net.

Brand Finance’s Alfred DuPuy is a brand strategy and valuation executive with more than 15 years of experience driving revenue growth, enhancing client relationships, and leading high impact global teams. He is on an ongoing mission to provide clarity to marketers, brand owners, and investors by quantifying the financial value of brands. As a part of that mission, he joins the On Scope podcast to help marketers understand why they’re thinking about brand value all wrong. Along with host Mike Berberich, Alfred dives into how the concept and formula for brand valuation have both changed over the years, why brand value is viewed as something that is ephemeral until it is time for a merger or acquisition, and how the misconceptions business leaders have about brand value are actively hurting their bottom line. On the debut of a new segment called Measurement Defined, Kevin Svenningsen, SVP of Measurement for Marketers at the ANA, joins Mike to define and discuss five key retail media terms every marketer needs to know, including “percentage of new buyers,” “upsell,” and more. Now that you have a better understanding of all the elements that make up your brand’s value, it’s time to drive that value up with the ANA’s Brand-Building Certificate Program. It’s on-demand, self-paced, and taught by marketers who’ve actually built the brands you admire. Explore the program and get started by visiting www.ana.net/brandcertificate (http://www.ana.net/brandcertificate).  The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Danilo Tauro has built a career on his ability to connect people and processes to emerging technologies that drive growth and future-proof business strategies. A veteran who has worked with leading organizations like P&G, Amazon, and Uber, he now serves as a senior advisor at McKinsey & Co. and managing partner of the brand-new VC firm, CartographAI. With years of experience evaluating emerging MarTech tools, Danilo shares his best tips and insights for how marketers can spot both red and green flags when it comes to assessing tech solutions. Along with host Mike Berberich, Danilo covers how marketers can go beyond the vendor demo and see what is actually useful about a tech tool or platform and how it suits their specific needs, his top five questions to ask tech vendors when evaluating new tools, and how marketers can be a better partner for tech solution providers.   On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss new Gartner research that indicates only 5 percent of marketers are realizing significant gains on business outcomes with their generative AI efforts, speculating that the technology’s promise of complete industry overhaul might be overblown.  Want even more tips to better evaluate and select MarTech tools for your brand? Check out the ANA’s Technology Practice, which helps marketers make smarter choices about AI and other technologies by providing practical tools, guidance, and peer insights. Explore the portfolio of resources by visiting www.ana.net/technology (http://www.ana.net/technology). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Paul Boruta is a two-time startup founder and advertising industry veteran with a deep passion for AI and marketing technology. In 2017, he founded Slingwave to tackle some of the most complex challenges in marketing analytics, attribution, and media optimization to empower businesses in making informed marketing investment decisions. He joins the show to break down incrementality in marketing and discuss how to set up experiments that actually work. Along with host Mike Berberich, Paul covers why the industry is wrong to be so fixated on multi-touch attribution, how organizations can use incrementality to their advantage, and what the difference is between interesting datapoints and those that are meaningful to driving business outcomes. On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a blockbuster podcast partnership between Spotify and Netflix, speculating on what the new deal means for brands partnering with content creators and debating whether this news means every brand needs to be in the podcast space or not. If our conversation with Paul has you itching to turn every marketing test into campaign traction, then you need to check out the ANA’s Certified ANA Marketing Professional (CAMP) program. Through a series of self-paced training modules, you’ll learn the frameworks, analytics, and real-world skills to turn your data insights into activations that drive tangible business growth. Learn more about how you can get certified by visiting www.ana.net/camp (http://www.ana.net/camp). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

With more than 20 years working for major brands like MasterCard all the way down to new startups, Jay Mandel has seen it all in marketing. With a career spent helping companies and leaders move past performative marketing into accountable, purpose-driven systems that align people and profit, he has his finger squarely on the pulse of our industry. And that’s why marketers should take notice when he sounds alarm bells, like he did earlier this year when he wrote that the burnout marketers are currently experiencing is due to industry-wide structural failures.  Jay, who is the founder of the Marketing Accountability Council, joins the On Scope podcast to discuss the growing trend of marketers feeling burnt out or disenfranchised, often focusing on performative work tasks versus those that drive real results. Along with host Mike Berberich, Jay unpacks how our industry arrived at this moment, why modern marketing feels more like a grift than a means for building relationships with customers, and how both marketing leaders and those that report up to them can address and repair these issues.  On This Week in ANA Magazine, editor Matthew Schwartz joins Mike to discuss a new article on the ins and outs of zero click search, an emerging and increasingly important trend that marketers need to be on top of. Matthew shares some tips for how marketers might prepare for this new AI-powered search reality.  If your marketing efforts are starting to feel stale, it’s time for some new inspiration. ANA National Industry Conferences put you in the room with the CMOs and marketing leaders who are creating real progress for our industry and driving tangible growth for their brands. See what’s coming up on the 2026 calendar by visiting www.ana.net/conferences (http://www.ana.net/conferences). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Earlier this year, The Ad Council launched its “Agree to Agree” campaign, which seeks to reduce gun violence affecting children and teens by fostering common ground and civil dialogue. As Ro Patrick, VP at The Ad Council, explains, the campaign was born from research that showed both gun owners and non-gun owners alike felt strongly about the need to protect children from gun violence.   Ro joins the On Scope podcast to discuss how the campaign came to life and what other brands can learn from The Ad Council’s research-based approach of addressing a social issue in a time of high political tension and division. Along with host Mike Berberich, Ro covers how she and her team were able to depoliticize the messaging around gun violence, how other brands might approach identifying social issues they can take a stand on without getting caught in the political fray, and the importance of building coalitions and amplifying existing voices as a strategy for brands entering into these types of conversations. On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a WPP Media report that found 84 percent of purchases are made by people already biased toward a brand, highlighting the importance of long-term brand building and challenging assumptions about the actual effectiveness of performance marketing.  Want to turn brand trust into your biggest advantage? Check out ANA’s Marketing Data Principles, your blueprint for using data ethically and driving growth the right way. You can learn more by visiting www.ana.net/DataPrinciples (http://www.ana.net/DataPrinciples). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

 Earlier this year, Morning Consult expanded access to its proprietary AI-powered market research tool — which is powered by the organization’s more than 80 million consumer interviews — to users beyond its client base. By doing so, the organization is democratizing market research by providing brands big and small the ability to dive deep into market research.  Michael Ramlet, CEO and co-founder of Morning Consult, joined the On Scope podcast to discuss this tool, while also speaking to the broader impact AI will have on market research and how unlocking access to consumer insights for more people will change the way marketing strategies are built, curated, and executed. Along with host Mike Berberich, Michael covers the importance of democratized data, how his organization handles inherent bias baked into AI systems, what the future of synthetic audiences looks like, and why humans will continue to have a key role in all of this.  On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss an Adobe forecast that shows holiday spending will reach $253.4 billion this year, a 5.3 percent increase over 2024. They speculate about who might be spending more this holiday season, given economic uncertainty in the marketplace, and share thoughts about how marketers might take advantage of this apparent spending windfall coming in Q4.  Insight is only power if you know how to use it. That’s what separates good marketers from great ones. The Certified ANA Marketing Professional program (CAMP) gives you the edge, the strategy, the analytics, and the know-how to turn data into growth. Get started on your certification by visiting www.ana.net/camp (http://www.ana.net/camp). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Despite being more than 50 years old, email continues to be perhaps the most powerful tool in the marketer’s belt. And according to Scott Cohen, CEO at InboxArmy and an email marketing veteran with more than 20 years of experience, that won’t be changing any time soon.Scott joins the show to discuss why — despite its efficacy across virtually all verticals — email doesn’t get the love or respect it deserves from marketers. Along with host Mike Berberich, Scott covered some of the under-the-radar ways that email can be used to drive business results, what AI’s role in email should be now and in the future, and why email will continue to be a dominant channel — even with gen Z and gen Alpha.On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discussed Gap Inc.’s new foray into influencer and creator marketing via a self-service affiliate and advocate platform. The pair shared their thoughts on what this means for the future of influencer marketing and how Gap might preserve brand safety with this new model.If this episode got you thinking about how much potential sits in your email list, the 2025 ANA Impact Pulse Report is a must-read. Formerly called The Response Rate Report, this annual study shows how email stacks up against channels like paid search, social, and direct mail, and why it continues to lead in engagement and ROI. You’ll see how other marketers are performing, where response rates are trending, and how to use that data to make smarter marketing decisions. Get the full report by visiting www.ana.net/impactpulse2025. The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net.

While leading Louis Vuitton’s brand strategy in Japan, Katherine Melchior Ray developed what she calls the “brand fulcrum,” a strategic framework that transformed how the luxury giant navigated cultural tensions and embraced innovation without sacrificing its hold on tradition.  Katherine, who has since authored the best-selling book Brand Global Adapt Local and is now the president of Globe Ally, joined the On Scope podcast to break down what the brand fulcrum is and how it can be applied to any brand’s marketing strategy. Along with host Mike Berberich, she outlined how tensions between innovation and tradition can be transformed from opposing forces into complementary strengths, the biggest mistakes she sees brands make when they begin to expand, the difference between knowing about a new trend on social and truly understanding it, and how the idea of the brand fulcrum can be operationalized from the C-suite down through the rest of the organization.  On “This Week in ANA Magazine,” editor Matthew Schwartz joined the show to discuss a major shift in how consumers watch live sports, as they embrace CTV more and more. Matthew highlighted how marketers can leverage this new opportunity with bold, innovative creative approaches and a focus on next-level targeting.  If your brand wants more than visibility and real connection, it’s time to partner with the ANA. ANA sponsorships aren’t about placing your logo on a banner. They’re about joining the conversations that move marketing forward. Share your ideas, build relationships that matter, and be seen where the industry actually happens. Learn more by visiting www.ana.net/sponsorship (http://www.ana.net/sponsorship). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

JB Smoove is an Emmy award-winning actor known for his role on Curb Your Enthusiasm and his time as a writer for Saturday Night Live. But would you believe that, since he was a kid, he always wanted to be an ad man? Together with Jarrod Moses, founder, CEO, and president of United Entertainment Group, that dream is coming true in the form of The First Darrin, a new creative agency. JB and Jarrod join On Scope host Mike Berberich to discuss the opportunity they see in the marketing industry, the power of comedy in advertising and why so many brands seem to miss the mark trying to be funny, how brands can maximize celebrity partnerships, and what they believe the effect of social media will be on the future of advertising. On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a new report from Acceleration Community of Companies and USC Annenberg that estimates gen Alpha to have an economic impact of $5.46 trillion by 2029, while also highlighting the outsized influence the generation has across family buying decisions. Mike and Ryan disagree on the level of influence gen Alpha actually has and theorize what might become of brand loyalty programs in light of some of the other characteristics the gen Alpha is showing. If you’re serious about marketing growth, there’s only one place to be. The ANA’s National Industry Conferences put you in the same room as the CMOs and leaders shaping the future. These aren’t just events, they’re where the industry agenda gets written. See what’s upcoming and be in the room by visiting www.ana.net/conferences (http://www.ana.net/conferences). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Since joining eos in 2018, Soyoung Kang has watched the brand go from challenger to outright market leader. This was accomplished through a blend of bold creativity, unwavering commitment to inclusion, and deep engagement with the eos community. Kang, who was recently promoted from CMO to president of eos, joined On Scope to share the secrets behind the brand’s meteoric rise. Along with host Mike Berberich, she covered why eos won’t be changing its approach to marketing, despite its new position atop the market; how she has built a culture and corporate structure that allows for marketing activations to rapidly go from ideation to execution; how she was able to convince the C-suite to go all in on taking marketing risks; and the ways in which the brand has been able to successfully partner with creators of all sizes to build a robust and deeply engaged community, while also using social media as an insights engine for marketing. On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger share their takes on a new co-marketing partnership between Netflix and AB InBev, speculating about some of the activations that might come from the newly minted relationship and reminiscing about some of their favorite co-marketing efforts from the past.  If you’d like to make like Soyoung Kang and build a brand that authentically engages consumers and drives more powerful business results, then you need to check out the tools and resources available through the ANA’s Brand Practice. Smarter brand marketing starts by visiting www.ana.net/brand (http://www.ana.net/brand). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

As streaming reshapes the entire media landscape, live sports advertising is no longer out of reach for brands with modest budgets. On this episode of On Scope, Jennifer Monson, VP of sales at Fubo, joins the show to discuss how connected TV (CTV) is breaking down barriers that once kept many marketers sidelined during major sports moments.Along with host Mike Berberich, Jennifer explains why the future of sports advertising is less about one splashy spot and more about ongoing, precision-based engagement; breaks down the differences between effective CTV and traditional TV creative; and shares her tips for how brands can avoid overwhelming avid fans with impression overload. She also highlights a real-world case study of one brand that started small and scaled effectively with a streaming campaign.On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss Nike’s recent update to its famous “Just do it” tagline, speculating about whether the brand is ignoring a valuable audience and departing from its original mission with the change.   Despite the new opportunities in CTV, marketers continue to leave $26.8 billion on the table every year due to programmatic waste. You can tackle this waste head on with the tools, research, and resources available from the ANA Media Practice. Check it out now by visiting www.ana.net/media.The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email them at onscope@ana.net.

Last season, the NFL brought all 32 of its teams into a league-wide MarTech stack, enabling them with new capabilities like orchestrated messaging, real-time fan communications, and personalized experiences at scale. The effort increased overall digital interactions with fans by 60 percent, digital reach by 22 percent, and reduced the marketing feedback loop from three days to just three hours. These impressive results were enough to win the league the 2025 ANA Martech Award for Innovative Team of The Year. Ahead of the 2025 regular season kickoff, Chi Ogbuehi, VP of marketing technology and consumer products at NFL, joined On Scope to provide an in-depth look at how she and her team accomplished this award-winning effort. Along with host Mike Berberich, Chi covered how she was able to onboard 32 organizations behind one tech solution, how the league used new data and tech capabilities to drive eye-popping engagement and acquisition numbers, and her best practices for effectively leveraging data and tech, regardless of the marketing budget.  On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a Wall St. Journal report that shows companies are reducing the number of managers they employ, creating a leadership vacuum, forcing employees to focus more on highlighting their accomplishments rather than spending time on the actual job, and potentially ushering in an era of even less human interaction at work.  If you’re interested in learning more about business-driving strategies, then you’ll want to join the thousands of marketers attending the 2025 ANA Masters of Marketing Conference in Orlando this October. While there, you’ll sharpen your strategy, learn to challenge convention, and get the insights you need to power the industry forward. Check out the agenda and register by visiting www.ana.net/2025masters (http://www.ana.net/2025masters). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

For years now, the marketing industry has faced a talent gap, especially when recruiting entry-level employees with the technological chops to thrive in a 21st century marketing environment. Dr. Cecilia Dones, founder and principal at 3 Standard Deviations and professor at Columbia Business School, has a unique perspective on this crisis, with experience in both the business and academic worlds. She joined On Scope: The Marketing Podcast to provide her perspective on what both sides can do to close the gap and better prepare college students and young professionals for career success. Along with host Mike Berberich, Cecilia broke down what most brands misunderstand about the marketing talent pipeline, highlighted some of the difficulties she has seen students face when transitioning from academia to the working world, and gave her best advice for non-executives working in marketing who want to address the talent issue and help their organizations attract and retain more young professionals. On “This Week in ANA Magazine,” editor Matthew Schwartz joined the show to discuss emerging trends with college athletes, NIL deals, and the marketing opportunities this relatively new space presents. He covered potential new regulations around NIL deals, best practices for marketers to consider, and some examples of brands who have activated NIL partnerships with success. Do you want to get involved in fixing the marketing talent gap? Join the AEF Drive for 25 movement and you can help build a career path to prepare students with the marketing and tech skills they need to thrive. To learn more, visit www.aef.com/martech (http://www.aef.com/martech). The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

In an environment wherein data is seen as the lifeblood of successful business, why does it seem that so many brands aren’t responding to the overwhelming data that shows inclusive marketing is a proven revenue driver? That was the question the On Scope team set out to answer with this week’s guest, Lola Bakare. You see, Lola knows a thing or two about inclusive marketing. In fact, her book Responsible Marketing is regarded as the “single most important book for marketers and business leaders navigating this polarizing moment in corporate history.”She joined host Mike Berberich to share her thoughts on why brands are failing to capitalize on inclusivity and how they might get back on track. She also gave some practical advice on how marketers can embrace the “responsible marketing mindset,” how brands can bounce back effectively when they misstep, and how marketers can sell more inclusive marketing practices to the C-suite.On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a new ad opportunity on Substack, which is going against the AI hype train by leaning into premium content, made entirely by humans — and racking up millions of subscribers in the process. If you’re interested in learning more about brave decision making and business-driving strategies, then you’ll want to join the thousands of marketers attending the 2025 ANA Masters of Marketing Conference in Orlando this October. While there, you’ll sharpen your strategy, learn to challenge convention, and get the insights you need to power the industry forward. Check out the agenda and register by visiting www.ana.net/2025masters.The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email us at onscope@ana.net.

With no shortage of talent in the marketing and advertising industry, it’s a wonder that we don’t produce more amazing creative work. For Caleb Goodman, COO and partner at Rethink — the 2024 Cannes Lions Independent Agency of the Year — the missing elements are emotional intelligence and human understanding. You see, Goodman believes that the people behind creative decisions are getting in their own way, carrying around baggage from negative past work experiences that sabotages their future endeavors. That’s why he and the Rethink team take a more personal approach to the client-agency relationship, focusing on getting to know their clients as people first and business collaborators second. Caleb joined the On Scope podcast to share more about this unique approach, which has helped Rethink develop successful campaigns with clients like Kraft-Heinz, Coors Light, and Uber. Along with host Mike Berberich, Caleb discussed the most common emotional barriers he believes are blocking the path to stellar creative, why it is so hard for brands and agencies to break out of the status quo and build a more nurturing culture, and his agency’s Relationship Accelerator — a custom process they use to develop deeper interpersonal relationships that lead to stronger work.   On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a popular fashion brand’s decision to use an AI supermodel in one of its print ads, drawing mixed reactions from the public and harsh criticism from human models. As the conversation with Caleb shows, behind every great campaign is a marketer who knows what to do and a team that makes it happen. Explore the ANA’s Talent and Marketing Organization Practice page to access resources, training, and insights that will help make you and your team stronger. Step up your skills by visiting www.ana.net/talent (http://www.ana.net/talent).The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea, you can email us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

As the founder and CEO of We First — a brand consultancy specializing in the strategy and storytelling of purpose and focused on creating sustained business values for companies — Simon Mainwaring has always had one of the longest views in the room. For years, he has wondered why business leaders remain so inert when it comes to addressing the biggest challenges facing modern society, watching them suffer in private while pretending business as usual is okay in public. On this episode of On Scope, he joins host Mike Berberich to discuss how we arrived at a critical moment in our history. The duo covers what true business leadership looks like in 2025, what the long-term consequences of abdicating the reins of marketing to technology might be, and how our industry can move forward focused on the “We” in a world that continues to reward callous individualism.  On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a new research report that revealed how creative industries — including marketing — are undervaluing neurodivergent talent, putting long-term business growth in peril. If Simon’s call for courageous leadership sparked something in you, it’s time to channel it. Get started by signing up for the ANA’s Personal Branding for Marketers Virtual Workshop, taking place on September 4, 2025. Learn how to build a personal brand that commands trust, fuels opportunity, and differentiates you in a noisy market. Learn more and register by visiting www.ana.net/personalbrandworkshop (http://www.ana.net/personalbrandworkshop).Have a great idea for a topic or guest you’d like to see On Scope? Tell us about know by emailing us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).  To learn more about We First visit wefirstbranding.com.

As the Co-Founder of Agency Mania Solutions, Bruno Gralpois specializes in empowering Fortune 500 brands to build stronger relationships with their agency partners. During an appearance on the On Scope podcast, Bruno discussed key takeaways from the ANA’s report, “The Cost of the Pitch,” specifically highlighting how agency reviews often wind up costing more than the perceived value they provide. Along with host Mike Berberich, Bruno covered why the agency review is a go-to move for brands and how it’s a misguided philosophy, what contributes to ballooning review period costs, and how to determine if your current agency model is a problem and if it’s truly time for a review. On the debut of a new segment called “Research Roundup,” ANA SVP of Brand and Media Julie Weitzner shared key findings from the Q1 2025 Programmatic Transparency Benchmark study, including some data on the improvements brands have made spending more budget on effective ad impressions and how they managed to do so. If the conversation with Bruno has you rethinking your agency review cycle, it’s time to take the next step by learning how the rest of the industry is managing agency relationships. You can do so by downloading the ANA and 4A’s Client-Agency AOR Relationship Tenure report. Find it by visiting www.ana.net/tenurereport (http://www.ana.net/tenurereport). The On Scope team wants to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea for the show, you can email us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).

Stephani Estes, chief media officer at Goodway Group, believes marketers have a foundational misunderstanding about data, often burning resources on measuring things that don’t actually drive effective decision making. She joined host Mike Berberich on the On Scope podcast to shed light on how marketers can move away from these wasteful measurement efforts. She covered the differences between data, observations, and true insights; unpacked why brave decision making can be a boon to the business over the long-term; and gave some tips for how marketers can better communicate with the C-suite and other departments across the organization.  On “This Week in ANA Magazine,” editor Matthew Schwartz joins the show to highlight a new story on brand redemption, citing recent examples of success stories from Gymshark and Office Beacon.  Are you ready to become a braver marketer? Then you’ll want to join the thousands of marketing leaders and professionals attending the 2025 ANA Masters of Marketing Conference in Orlando, Fla., from October 21 to 24. Check out the agenda and save your spot by visiting www.ana.net/2025masters (http://www.ana.net/2025masters). Can’t attend in person? Don’t worry, there’s a virtual option, too.  The On Scope team wants to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea for the show, you can email us at onscope@ana.net (mailto:onscope@ana.net).