Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with bestselling thriller authors Simon Gervais and Ryan Steck to talk about THE SECOND SON—a high-octane, emotionally resonant espionage thriller with deep personal stakes and globe-spanning intrigue. “An absolute knockout!” —Jack Carr, #1 Bestselling Author Soldier-turned-sommelier Chase Burke may have traded his rifle for bottles of wine, but violence and conspiracy aren’t through with him yet. When his intelligence analyst brother is killed and branded a traitor, and a brutal ambush nearly kills the congresswoman he secretly loves, Chase is forced into action. With NYPD Detective Alice Doyle at his side, he uncovers a powerful criminal syndicate with global reach—and personal vendettas. As mercenaries close in, Chase must navigate treacherous enemies, his mother’s memory loss, and a past that refuses to stay buried. In a zero-sum game where trust is deadly, a single ally could make all the difference. SIMON GERVAIS is a former infantry officer and federal agent specializing in counterterrorism who served in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, safeguarding dignitaries like Queen Elizabeth II and President Barack Obama. Now a bestselling thriller writer, Gervais is the author of The Elias Network, The Elias Enigma, and the Clayton White and Pierce Hunt series—all optioned for TV. He also penned The Blackbriar Genesis for the Robert Ludlum estate.https://SimonGervaisBooks.com RYAN STECK is the author of Fields of Fire, Lethal Range, Redd Christmas, Out for Blood, and Ted Bell’s Monarch, an Alex Hawke thriller. He’s also the founder and editor in chief of The Real Book Spy and an Amazon Influencer. Called “the authority on mysteries and thrillers” by A.J. Tata, Steck’s fourth Matthew Redd novel, Gone Dark, is due out in 2025.https://RyanSteck.com

Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with best-selling author and Outlier Instructor Mary Anna Evans on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Mary Anna Evans holds a PhD in English and an MFA in creative writing, both of which came in particularly handy while writing the story of The Dark Library’s books and troubled professors. She is also the author of the Justine Byrne Historical Mysteries and the Faye Longchamp Archaeological Mysteries, which have received awards including the Oklahoma Book Award, the Benjamin Franklin Award, the Mississippi Book Award, three Florida Book Awards Bronze Medals, and a Will Rogers Medallion Awards Gold Medal. Her essays on science and the environment have appeared in publications including The Atlantic’s Technology Channel, EarthLines, and Flyway. She is a former University of Oklahoma professor, where she taught fiction and nonfiction writing, and her scholarly interests center on Agatha Christie’s depiction of justice and gender. She is the co-editor of the Bloomsbury Handbook to Agatha Christie, which was an Edgar® Award nominee, an Agatha Award finalist, a Macavity Award nominee, and an HRF Keating Award finalist. https://maryannaevans.com/

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with Julie Klassen to discuss WHISPERS AT PAINSWICK COURT—a Regency whodunit steeped in secrets, sabotage, and slow-blooming romance. A haunted manor. A forbidden match. A killer in the halls. When Anne Loveday returns to Painswick, she finds whispers, danger, and a patient someone wants dead—and she might be next.   JULIE KLASSEN loves all things Jane--Jane Eyre and Jane Austen. Her books have sold over 1.5 million copies, and she is a three-time recipient of the Christy Award for Historical Romance. The Secret of Pembrooke Park was honored with the Minnesota Book Award for Genre Fiction. Julie has also won the Midwest Book Award and Christian Retailing's BEST Award and has been a finalist in the RITA and Carol Awards. A graduate of the University of Illinois, Julie worked in publishing for 16 years and now writes full-time. She and her husband have two sons and live in St. Paul, Minnesota. https://JulieKlassen.com Love this interview? Please rate the episode and follow the podcast!

Outliers YouTube Channel and Podcast Series: GET TO KNOW Author Andrew Rubin   Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with author Andrew Rubin on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and the Outliers Podcast Series Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl Andrew Rubin is a filmmaker, writer, and cofounder of the mental health education company Symptom Media. A graduate of NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts, where he studied Film Production and History, he has spent over a decade in the trenches of Hollywood development as a screenwriter. Andrew codirected the inspirational documentary Ride with Larry, about Parkinson's, inspired by his father's battle against the disease. The film’s segment exploring Parkinson's and medical marijuana received global attention, and helped spark a broader conversation about dignity, treatment, and the role of alternative medicine. He is also the cofounder and president of Symptom Media, an innovative mental health education platform used by over 500 universities, hospitals and medical schools worldwide to help train students and clinicians and destigmatize mental illness. Andrew lives in California, where he divides his time between San Diego and Los Angeles. Website: www.hellorhighwinter.com

Join DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim as they sat down with author Jose Bogran for a fascinating chat about his works and the balance of writing in two languages,   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew

DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim sat down with Dee Armstrong, the author of a wonderful thriller. HAUNTED BY A BROKEN OATH, the beginning of a new series and featuring the enigmatic, tough, and snarky female PI JD Wolfe, will grab you on page one and not let go. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Dee Armstrong writes thrillers and romantic suspense with a paranormal twist — stories that squeeze the heart, rattle the nerves, and still leave room for love, laughter, and sass. She pits tough heroines against bad guys you’ll love to hate — with twists that keep the pages flying and endings that fight for hope. A former U.S. Air Force Russian linguist and three-time Taekwondo Black Belt National Sparring Champion, Dee believes the vulnerable should be protected and justice must be fierce—because the past never stays buried, and the truth never sleeps. When she’s not writing about danger and desire, Dee is chasing after her littles, sipping tea on the porch, and plotting against the weeds in her garden. Find her on social @DeeArmstrongAuthor or at www.DeeArmstrong.com for sneak peeks, behind-the-scenes chaos, and stories that leave a fingerprint on your heart.

WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: CRIMINAL MISCHIEF: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Robert T. Kelley spent 30 years in the technology industry, building multiple companies before turning to writing and working with startups. Formerly the publisher of the quarterly literary journal, The Maine Review, Rob now regularly blogs for Maine Crime Writers. He received his undergraduate degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Missouri-Rolla and his PhD in English from Indiana University. Rob lives in Midcoast Maine with his wife, writer Margot Anne Kelley, and an indeterminate number of cats. Raven is his debut novel.   www.roberttkelley.com

Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with best-selling author Best-Selling Author Donna Grant on the Outlier's YouTube Channel. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew New York Times and USA Today bestselling author Donna Grant has been praised for her "totally addictive" and "unique and sensual" stories. Her latest acclaimed series, Dragon Kings, features a thrilling combination of dragons, Fae, and immortal Highlanders who are dark, dangerous, and irresistible. She lives in Texas.  www.DonnaGrant.com

Steve C. Posner was born and raised in New York City. After graduating from Syracuse University with a degree in creative writing, he received an MBA in computers from New York University and a law degree from St. John’s University School of Law. Over the years, Steve has been a database designer and administrator, session guitarist and composer, Madison Avenue copywriter, freelance reporter, law professor and litigator in private practice with special interests in intellectual property, privacy and surveillance law. He currently lives in the suburbs of Denver with his wife. Questioner is his debut novel.   www.steveposnerwriter.com

Best-selling author Ande Pliego sat down with Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush in the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a lively and fun chat.   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew  

Best-selling author and Outlier Allison Brennan sat down with Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush in the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a lively and fun chat. @stephcha   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl  

What's It Like To Be an Executive Producer for a Limited Series? I pitched a show called "Murder House Flip" to an associate at Sony, based on a cross between my forensic experience and my love of home renovation. I helped to create it and we sold it, which made me an executive producer. I briefly describe my experience for those writers who are curious about working with Hollywood.  Dr. Katherine Ramsland teaches forensic psychology and behavioral criminology in the graduate program at DeSales University. She has appeared as an expert on more than 250 crime documentaries and was an executive producer on Murder House Flip and A&E’s Confession of a Serial killer: BTK. The author of more than 1,800 articles and 73 books, including Confession of a Serial Killer, The Serial Killer’s Apprentice and How to Catch a Killer, she pens a regular blog for Psychology Today. She has also written a fiction series based on a female forensic psychologist who consults on death investigations. Dead-Handed is her most recent book. https://www.katherineramsland.net/author   CRIMINAL MISCHIEF On Outliers YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVBBYu0gtb1Ijjwkf0f6dn   Outliers Writing University: https://www.outlierswritinguniversity.com

Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush welcomed best-selling author Steph Cha into the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a fun conversation   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl  

Robert T. Kelley spent 30 years in the technology industry, building multiple companies before turning to writing and working with startups. Formerly the publisher of the quarterly literary journal, The Maine Review, Rob now regularly blogs for Maine Crime Writers. He received his undergraduate degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Missouri-Rolla and his PhD in English from Indiana University. Rob lives in Midcoast Maine with his wife, writer Margot Anne Kelley, and an indeterminate number of cats. Raven is his debut novel.    www.roberttkelley.com

Joe Brosnan is a Senior Editor at Grove Atlantic where he oversees the Atlantic Crime imprint. Prior to that, he was an Editor and Senior Marketing Manager at St. Martin's Press/Minotaur Books and also the Site Manager for Criminal Element for nearly a decade.   URL: https://bookshop.org/lists/if-you-ve-got-the-time-we-ve-got-the-crime

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn chats with thriller author and editor Jeff Circle about MYOPIC DUPLICITY—a chilling, thought-provoking crime anthology where ethical boundaries blur and desperation rewrites the rules.   Do the ends ever justify the means?   Delve into a labyrinth of moral ambiguity and psychological tension where the pursuit of power and justice collides with the darker impulses of betrayal and manipulation. Each story digs deep into loyalty, revenge, survival, and the murky terrain in between—where ‘right’ is a shifting line, and every choice has a price.   Curated and edited by Jeff Circle, the creator of The Writer’s Dossier, MYOPIC DUPLICITY features gripping tales from standout voices—Eric Beetner • C.B. Bernard • C.W. Blackwell • Wes Browne • Mindy Carlson • Ash Clifton • Libby Cudmore • Victor DeAnda • Erin Flanagan • Rob Hart • Terrence McCauley • Matt Phillips • M.E. Proctor • C. Matthew Smith • Christopher Swann • Tony Wirt.   Edited by Jeff Circle Foreword by Eli Cranor, narrated by the author Story Intros by Jeff Circle, narrated by Chris Andrew Ciulla Published and Produced by Leonardo Audio   About the Editor: Jeff Circle is dangerously ambidextrous, reckless with food spices, and usually has leftover assembly parts.   He deployed to Desert Storm as a U.S. Army intelligence analyst, has served as a police officer and federal background investigator, and supported U.S. special operations as a counterintelligence specialist. Jeff also hosts The Writer’s Dossier podcast and runs a five-question author interview platform spotlighting the biggest and boldest names in crime, mystery, and thriller fiction. https://JeffCircle.com   Love this interview? Please rate the episode and follow the podcast.

Best-selling Author and Outlier instructor Shirley Jump sat down with Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush in the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a lively and fun chat. @shirleyjump   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl

What's a Psychological Autopsy? By Dr. Katherine Ramsland When a manner of death cannot be clearly identified as natural, accident, suicide or homicide, police might seek a mental health expert's help. With a psychological autopsy, they will evaluate the likelihood that a decedent's mental state aligns with known factors for suicide in order to rule it in or out. They might also suggest ideas for a deeper investigation. I have done this for coroners and cops, and I provide details on the method in my crime novel, I Scream Man. 

David Lane Williams is a paramedic and police officer veteran with assignments including patrol in high-need areas, helicopter rescue, pre-hospital advanced life support, mental health liaison, and Special Investigations Unit detective. During his thirty-year career, Williams was twice named Officer of the Year by the Fraternal Order of Police, and he has been recognized by the Rotary Club, the American Legion, and the National Sexual Violence Resource Center for his work with families and children in crisis.   Williams is a monthly columnist with Killer Nashville Magazine. He teaches criminology at the University of Arkansas, and he is a bestselling author on topics related to violence prevention and victimology. He is the author of Carousel Grift, a dark comedy about a Texas amusement park owner who has been arguing with her dead adoptive father for the last thirty years, unable to fall in love or repair the relationship with her estranged daughter until she can learn to forgive the old man...and herself. Williams grew up in the Texas Hill Country. He and his family have settled in the Ozark Mountains, where they offer a haven for donkeys and horses who previously endured a rough life.   David Lane Williams www.davidlanewilliams.com

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with author Kate Belli to chat about her chilling new psychological thriller—THE GALLERY ASSISTANT. A lost night. A murdered artist. A woman on the edge of the truth. Still reeling from 9/11, Chloe Harlow wakes up with hazy memories of a party and learns the host, a rising painter, is dead. Caught between the glittering art world and a haunting mystery, Chloe must retrace her steps to uncover a truth more dangerous than she imagined. KATE BELLI writes thrillers and mysteries. She holds a PhD in art history, and is a gallery director and faculty member at a liberal arts college. She lives and works in Central Pennsylvania with her husband and son. When not writing, Kate satisfies her wanderlust by traveling with her family as often as possible, touring museums and sampling local food. She is also an avid runner, having completed several marathons, and a yoga teacher. https://KateBelli.com Love this interview? Please rate the episode and follow the podcast!