Join Outliers GET TO KNOW hosts DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim for a conversation with Best-selling Author James L’Etoile on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew   James L’Etoile uses his twenty-nine years behind bars as an influence in his award-winning novels, short stories, and screenplays. He is a former associate warden in a maximum-security prison, a hostage negotiator, and director of California’s state parole system. His novels have been shortlisted or awarded the Lefty, Anthony, Silver Falchion, Macavity, and the Public Safety Writers Award. River of Lies and Sins of the Father are his most recent novels. Look for Illusion of Truth coming in 2026. James also serves as the Executive Vice President of Mystery Writers of America. You can find out more at www.jamesletoile.com

Join Outliers GET TO KNOW hosts DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim for a conversation with author Daniella Bernett on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Daniella Bernett is a member of the International Thriller Writers and the Mystery Writers of America, where she is a board member of the New York Chapter. She also is a member of the Crime Writers Association. She graduated summa cum laude with a B.S. in Journalism from St. John’s University. She is the author of the Emmeline Kirby-Gregory Longdon mystery series featuring a journalist and a jewel thief, who are a magnet for murder, intrigue and espionage. Daniella has served as a panelist at ITW’s ThrillerFest conference and for MWA. Additionally, she is the author of two poetry collections, Timeless Allure and Silken Reflections. Daniella is currently working on Emmeline and Gregory’s next adventure. Visit www.daniellabernett.com 

Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with best-selling author T. Jefferson Parker on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew T. Jefferson Parker is the author of 30 novels, including Silent Joe and California Girl, both of which won the Edgar Award for best mystery.  His new novel, WILD INSTINCT, is now out from Minotaur.  When not writing, Jeff likes to walk his dog, catch fish in Baja, hike in San Diego and settle in for the evening with a good book or a Padres game. www.tjeffersonparker.com/

Join Outliers GET TO KNOW hosts DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim for a conversation with author Lisa Malice on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. Lisa Malice is a psychologist-turned-crime fiction writer. Her debut psychological thriller, LEST SHE FORGET, was released December 2023 by CamCat Books to rave reviews from authors, readers, and industry professionals and a month-long stay on the Amazon new thriller bestseller list. In 2024, she received the Benjamin Franklin Gold Medal for BEST NEW VOICE IN FICTION from the Independent Book Publishers Association. Lisa is an active volunteer for Thriller Writers, Sisters in Crime, and Mystery Writers of America. A native of Minnesota, she lived in Atlanta for 34 years, before moving to the Florida Gulf Coast with her husband to enjoy life living on the water.

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with New York Times bestselling author Tod Goldberg to dig into his rollicking, whip-smart crime thriller—ONLY WAY OUT. A luckless thief. A crooked cop. A missing fortune with only one way out. Failed lawyer and would-be thief Robert Green has a simple plan: crack three hundred safe-deposit boxes and vanish to South America with his brilliant, morally flexible sister, Penny. But when a van skids off a frozen mountain road near Granite Shores, small-town cop Jack Biddle discovers Robert’s body, a fortune in heisted loot…and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. All Jack has to do is hide the evidence, disappear the body, and keep the money for himself. But Penny wants answers. Mitch Diamond, a wild card ex-con, wants his cut. And as their schemes collide, each of them will risk everything to be the one who walks away. TOD GOLDBERG is the New York Times bestselling author of sixteen novels, including the Gangsterland quartet: Gangsterland, a finalist for the Hammett Prize; Gangster Nation; The Low Desert, a Southwest Book of the Year; and Gangsters Don’t Die, an Amazon Best Book of 2023 and a Southwest Book of the Year. Other works include The House of Secrets, coauthored with Brad Meltzer; Living Dead Girl, a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Prize; and the Burn Notice series. His short fiction and essays have been anthologized in Best American Mystery and Suspense and Best American Essays and appear regularly in the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, and Alta. Tod is a professor of creative writing at the University of California, Riverside, where he founded and directs the low-residency MFA program in creative writing and writing for the performing arts. www.TodGoldberg.com Love this interview? Please rate the episode and follow the podcast!

I've written biographies and I've guided and co-written autobiographies and memoirs. Now I'm writing my own memoir. I briefly explain these three distinct types of "life story" narratives.   Dr. Katherine Ramsland teaches forensic psychology and behavioral criminology in the graduate program at DeSales University. She has appeared as an expert on more than 250 crime documentaries and was an executive producer on Murder House Flip and A&E’s Confession of a Serial killer: BTK. The author of more than 1,800 articles and 73 books, including Confession of a Serial Killer, The Serial Killer’s Apprentice and How to Catch a Killer, she pens a regular blog for Psychology Today. She has also written a fiction series based on a female forensic psychologist who consults on death investigations. Dead-Handed is her most recent book.   https://www.katherineramsland.net/author

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with bestselling thriller authors Simon Gervais and Ryan Steck to talk about THE SECOND SON—a high-octane, emotionally resonant espionage thriller with deep personal stakes and globe-spanning intrigue. “An absolute knockout!” —Jack Carr, #1 Bestselling Author Soldier-turned-sommelier Chase Burke may have traded his rifle for bottles of wine, but violence and conspiracy aren’t through with him yet. When his intelligence analyst brother is killed and branded a traitor, and a brutal ambush nearly kills the congresswoman he secretly loves, Chase is forced into action. With NYPD Detective Alice Doyle at his side, he uncovers a powerful criminal syndicate with global reach—and personal vendettas. As mercenaries close in, Chase must navigate treacherous enemies, his mother’s memory loss, and a past that refuses to stay buried. In a zero-sum game where trust is deadly, a single ally could make all the difference. SIMON GERVAIS is a former infantry officer and federal agent specializing in counterterrorism who served in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, safeguarding dignitaries like Queen Elizabeth II and President Barack Obama. Now a bestselling thriller writer, Gervais is the author of The Elias Network, The Elias Enigma, and the Clayton White and Pierce Hunt series—all optioned for TV. He also penned The Blackbriar Genesis for the Robert Ludlum estate.https://SimonGervaisBooks.com RYAN STECK is the author of Fields of Fire, Lethal Range, Redd Christmas, Out for Blood, and Ted Bell’s Monarch, an Alex Hawke thriller. He’s also the founder and editor in chief of The Real Book Spy and an Amazon Influencer. Called “the authority on mysteries and thrillers” by A.J. Tata, Steck’s fourth Matthew Redd novel, Gone Dark, is due out in 2025.https://RyanSteck.com

Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with best-selling author and Outlier Instructor Mary Anna Evans on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and Podcast Series. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Mary Anna Evans holds a PhD in English and an MFA in creative writing, both of which came in particularly handy while writing the story of The Dark Library’s books and troubled professors. She is also the author of the Justine Byrne Historical Mysteries and the Faye Longchamp Archaeological Mysteries, which have received awards including the Oklahoma Book Award, the Benjamin Franklin Award, the Mississippi Book Award, three Florida Book Awards Bronze Medals, and a Will Rogers Medallion Awards Gold Medal. Her essays on science and the environment have appeared in publications including The Atlantic’s Technology Channel, EarthLines, and Flyway. She is a former University of Oklahoma professor, where she taught fiction and nonfiction writing, and her scholarly interests center on Agatha Christie’s depiction of justice and gender. She is the co-editor of the Bloomsbury Handbook to Agatha Christie, which was an Edgar® Award nominee, an Agatha Award finalist, a Macavity Award nominee, and an HRF Keating Award finalist. https://maryannaevans.com/

Outliers Get to Know host Tracey Devlyn sits down with Julie Klassen to discuss WHISPERS AT PAINSWICK COURT—a Regency whodunit steeped in secrets, sabotage, and slow-blooming romance. A haunted manor. A forbidden match. A killer in the halls. When Anne Loveday returns to Painswick, she finds whispers, danger, and a patient someone wants dead—and she might be next.   JULIE KLASSEN loves all things Jane--Jane Eyre and Jane Austen. Her books have sold over 1.5 million copies, and she is a three-time recipient of the Christy Award for Historical Romance. The Secret of Pembrooke Park was honored with the Minnesota Book Award for Genre Fiction. Julie has also won the Midwest Book Award and Christian Retailing's BEST Award and has been a finalist in the RITA and Carol Awards. A graduate of the University of Illinois, Julie worked in publishing for 16 years and now writes full-time. She and her husband have two sons and live in St. Paul, Minnesota. https://JulieKlassen.com Love this interview? Please rate the episode and follow the podcast!

Outliers YouTube Channel and Podcast Series: GET TO KNOW Author Andrew Rubin   Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with author Andrew Rubin on the Outlier's YouTube Channel and the Outliers Podcast Series Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl Andrew Rubin is a filmmaker, writer, and cofounder of the mental health education company Symptom Media. A graduate of NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts, where he studied Film Production and History, he has spent over a decade in the trenches of Hollywood development as a screenwriter. Andrew codirected the inspirational documentary Ride with Larry, about Parkinson's, inspired by his father's battle against the disease. The film’s segment exploring Parkinson's and medical marijuana received global attention, and helped spark a broader conversation about dignity, treatment, and the role of alternative medicine. He is also the cofounder and president of Symptom Media, an innovative mental health education platform used by over 500 universities, hospitals and medical schools worldwide to help train students and clinicians and destigmatize mental illness. Andrew lives in California, where he divides his time between San Diego and Los Angeles. Website: www.hellorhighwinter.com

Join DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim as they sat down with author Jose Bogran for a fascinating chat about his works and the balance of writing in two languages,   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew

DP Lyle and Kathleen Antrim sat down with Dee Armstrong, the author of a wonderful thriller. HAUNTED BY A BROKEN OATH, the beginning of a new series and featuring the enigmatic, tough, and snarky female PI JD Wolfe, will grab you on page one and not let go. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Dee Armstrong writes thrillers and romantic suspense with a paranormal twist — stories that squeeze the heart, rattle the nerves, and still leave room for love, laughter, and sass. She pits tough heroines against bad guys you’ll love to hate — with twists that keep the pages flying and endings that fight for hope. A former U.S. Air Force Russian linguist and three-time Taekwondo Black Belt National Sparring Champion, Dee believes the vulnerable should be protected and justice must be fierce—because the past never stays buried, and the truth never sleeps. When she’s not writing about danger and desire, Dee is chasing after her littles, sipping tea on the porch, and plotting against the weeds in her garden. Find her on social @DeeArmstrongAuthor or at www.DeeArmstrong.com for sneak peeks, behind-the-scenes chaos, and stories that leave a fingerprint on your heart.

WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: CRIMINAL MISCHIEF: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew Robert T. Kelley spent 30 years in the technology industry, building multiple companies before turning to writing and working with startups. Formerly the publisher of the quarterly literary journal, The Maine Review, Rob now regularly blogs for Maine Crime Writers. He received his undergraduate degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Missouri-Rolla and his PhD in English from Indiana University. Rob lives in Midcoast Maine with his wife, writer Margot Anne Kelley, and an indeterminate number of cats. Raven is his debut novel.   www.roberttkelley.com

Join Kathleen Antrim and DP Lyle for a conversation with best-selling author Best-Selling Author Donna Grant on the Outlier's YouTube Channel. WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew New York Times and USA Today bestselling author Donna Grant has been praised for her "totally addictive" and "unique and sensual" stories. Her latest acclaimed series, Dragon Kings, features a thrilling combination of dragons, Fae, and immortal Highlanders who are dark, dangerous, and irresistible. She lives in Texas.  www.DonnaGrant.com

Steve C. Posner was born and raised in New York City. After graduating from Syracuse University with a degree in creative writing, he received an MBA in computers from New York University and a law degree from St. John’s University School of Law. Over the years, Steve has been a database designer and administrator, session guitarist and composer, Madison Avenue copywriter, freelance reporter, law professor and litigator in private practice with special interests in intellectual property, privacy and surveillance law. He currently lives in the suburbs of Denver with his wife. Questioner is his debut novel.   www.steveposnerwriter.com

Best-selling author Ande Pliego sat down with Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush in the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a lively and fun chat.   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-UZ48ILPXLvlfs0u8Baew  

Best-selling author and Outlier Allison Brennan sat down with Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush in the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a lively and fun chat. @stephcha   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl  

What's It Like To Be an Executive Producer for a Limited Series? I pitched a show called "Murder House Flip" to an associate at Sony, based on a cross between my forensic experience and my love of home renovation. I helped to create it and we sold it, which made me an executive producer. I briefly describe my experience for those writers who are curious about working with Hollywood.  Dr. Katherine Ramsland teaches forensic psychology and behavioral criminology in the graduate program at DeSales University. She has appeared as an expert on more than 250 crime documentaries and was an executive producer on Murder House Flip and A&E’s Confession of a Serial killer: BTK. The author of more than 1,800 articles and 73 books, including Confession of a Serial Killer, The Serial Killer’s Apprentice and How to Catch a Killer, she pens a regular blog for Psychology Today. She has also written a fiction series based on a female forensic psychologist who consults on death investigations. Dead-Handed is her most recent book. https://www.katherineramsland.net/author   CRIMINAL MISCHIEF On Outliers YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVBBYu0gtb1Ijjwkf0f6dn   Outliers Writing University: https://www.outlierswritinguniversity.com

Terry Shepherd and Jennifer Dornbush welcomed best-selling author Steph Cha into the Outliers Studio at Bouchercon 2025 in New Orleans for a fun conversation   WATCH: Outliers YouTube Channel: GET TO KNOW: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLia8l2DJ_EnXVqej3dnFj-48RJetAYpcl  

Robert T. Kelley spent 30 years in the technology industry, building multiple companies before turning to writing and working with startups. Formerly the publisher of the quarterly literary journal, The Maine Review, Rob now regularly blogs for Maine Crime Writers. He received his undergraduate degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Missouri-Rolla and his PhD in English from Indiana University. Rob lives in Midcoast Maine with his wife, writer Margot Anne Kelley, and an indeterminate number of cats. Raven is his debut novel.    www.roberttkelley.com