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Rainer on Leadership
Thom Rainer
100 episodes
6 hours ago
Rainer on Leadership is your online home for leadership lessons for the local church. This twice-weekly podcast provides practical training on important issues for church leaders and pastors. For more information, visit ChurchAnswers.com.
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Rainer on Leadership
The Burge Report: How Do Pastors Actually End Up in Ministry?
https://youtu.be/WuniIU0jST8

In this episode, Sam and Ryan Burge discuss how pastors become pastors. Using data from the National Survey of Religious Leaders, the cohosts reveal that clergy often come to ministry through winding, unconventional paths—many after careers in other fields. Far from being single-focused, pastors frequently juggle multiple responsibilities: leading congregations, working as chaplains, and even holding non-ministry jobs. The numbers reveal both the beauty and burden of this calling: most clergy work 50+ hours a week, with a quarter clocking over 60. Yet despite financial pressures and demanding schedules, these leaders remain deeply committed to serving their communities and churches.



* Unconventional Paths to Ministry: Two-thirds of clergy had another career before entering ministry, highlighting that few go directly from Bible college or seminary into full-time leadership.
* Rising Through the Ranks: About a quarter of clergy were already on staff at their congregation before becoming the senior leader, and one in five began as lay members before stepping into paid roles.
* Bi-Vocational Realities: Nearly one-third of clergy hold outside jobs, often out of financial necessity. Others serve multiple congregations or work as chaplains in hospitals, schools, prisons, or nursing homes.
* The Income Factor: Clergy earning under $50,000 per year are much more likely to seek outside work, but once they cross that threshold, side jobs drop dramatically as full-time ministry with benefits becomes possible.
* The Heavy Workload: On average, clergy work 47–50 hours a week across all roles, and a significant share—about 25%—report working 60 hours or more.



Resources:

* Rooted


* Upward Sports


* “The Many Jobs of a Religious Leader” by Ryan Burge


* Ryan Burge


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
* An opportunity to change the culture of your church


* Visit experiencerooted.com/churchanswers for free resources to help you learn more, including the What is Rooted? video and a free download of the Rooted experience framework and Rooted Workbook sample.

 

 



Start Preparing Now for 2026! Sports that Bring People Together.

Start preparing now for 2026 with sports that bring people together! As you look ahead to what’s next in your ministry, consider creating an outreach strategy that offers a warm invitation to the whole family—using sports as that...
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6 hours ago
23 minutes 44 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Top Reasons Why It’s Painful for Pastors to Lose Church Members
https://youtu.be/m10LcpLiMC4

One of the more painful aspects of ministry is losing church members. Sometimes these departures are for good reasons, like moving to another town or planting a church. More often than not, pastors struggle with the reasons why people leave. Josh and Sam discuss why pastors experience pain with the loss of members, and they explore some ways to cope with the accompanying sadness.



* When people leave the church, it feels personal because it often is.
* Most pastors genuinely love their church members, even the difficult ones.
* The time invested in people can feel like a waste when they leave for petty reasons.
* Morale often drops when well-known people exit.
* Pastors fear others will follow the lead of those who left.



Resources:

* “Leadership in a Chaotic World” by Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre


* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Join Platinum for 1-on-1 and group coaching with Sam. Email sam@churchanswers.com


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


If you’re feeling the weight of leadership in today’s unstable world, you’re not alone.

Southern Seminary is offering a free ebook called Leadership in a Chaotic World—written by trusted faculty to equip pastors with biblical clarity, character, and conviction.

It’s a short, practical guide from Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre to help you lead well in the midst of cultural pressure, spiritual fatigue, and ministry complexity.

Download it for free.
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4 days ago
22 minutes 11 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
An Entrepreneurial-Minded Pastor in an Established Church: The Unique Story of a Baltimore Congregation
https://youtu.be/mM4ayTLLSD8

In this episode, Sam interviews Tim Byer, pastor of FAITH in Glen Burnie, MD, to hear how his congregation is making a real impact in their community. Pastor Tim shares the story of how his church began using VisitorReach, a tool designed to connect churches with first-time guests and neighbors. What started as a simple outreach effort has become a powerful way to build relationships, welcome new families, and share the hope of Christ in Baltimore.
Resources:

* Rooted


* Upward Sports


* Upward Running


* FAITH


VisitorReach


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
* An opportunity to change the culture of your church


* Visit experiencerooted.com/churchanswers for free resources to help you learn more, including the What is Rooted? video and a free download of the Rooted experience framework and Rooted Workbook sample.

 

 



Upward Running for Adults: Your Church’s Next Step in Outreach

Offer a 5K Challenge for adults at your church (engage your adults in 2026): Inspire your congregation and engage your community with a meaningful running ministry. Upward provides:

Tailored training plans to help your runner or walkers move from the couch to completing a 5k.
Access to the new RunClub app for tracking progress and building community.
A fully customizable program that fits your church's timeline — all led by your run coach who will be fully equipped with the Upward Running materials to lead.


Simple to Start: With just one passionate leader and no facility needed, your church parking lot can become the starting line for life transformation.
Build Stronger Connections: Use running to foster relationships, promote healthy habits, and grow spiritually while expanding your church’s impact.
Upward Sports is ready to help you start this at your church: Visit Upward.org/Runcoach to get started today!
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1 week ago
26 minutes 41 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
Three Things Every Church Small Group Leader Should Be Doing
https://youtu.be/cijJMWeY2p4

In this episode, Sam interviews Michael Kelley of the Rooted Network. They discuss three essentials that every great small group leader should consistently practice. These simple but powerful habits can transform any group into a place of authentic community and spiritual growth.



* Guide more than lecture: By listening well and encouraging dialogue, small group leaders can create environments where people are more engaged.
* Share group responsibilities: Assign key weekly tasks to people in the group: hospitality, food, follow-up, prayer, service projects. When everyone has ownership, development and growth in the group occurs more quickly.
* Leverage the before and after time: Life-changing conversations often happen in the margins, before and after the meeting. Wise leaders show up early, stay late, and invest in those relational moments.



Check out this Rooted article from Chad Cronin.
Resources:

* “Leadership in a Chaotic World” by Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre


* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* “3 Essential Practices of Every Great Small Group Leader” by Chad Cronin


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


If you’re feeling the weight of leadership in today’s unstable world, you’re not alone.

Southern Seminary is offering a free ebook called Leadership in a Chaotic World—written by trusted faculty to equip pastors with biblical clarity, character, and conviction.

It’s a short, practical guide from Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre to help you lead well in the midst of cultural pressure, spiritual fatigue, and ministry complexity.

Download it for free.
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1 week ago
24 minutes 17 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
How to Grow Generosity in Your Church (Without Making It Complicated)
https://youtu.be/OQcx51u0yM4

The reality is that growing generosity doesn’t require a big program or complex strategy. It requires simplicity. Specifically, one simple principle: communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate. Mike Stadelmayer of Church Growth Services joins Sam on the show to discuss some simple ways you can grow generosity in your church.



* Communicate Gratitude — Say thank you often. Express genuine appreciation for your congregation’s giving, whether you’re over or under budget. Gratitude inspires faithfulness.
* Communicate Ministry Impact — Tell stories of ministries that exist because of generosity. Connect giving to tangible outcomes in the life of your church.
* Communicate Life Change — Highlight stories of transformation: a salvation, a restored marriage, a person helped. These moments show the spiritual return on investment.
* Communicate the Word — Ground every message in Scripture. Follow Paul’s example of thanking, encouraging, and celebrating believers for their faithfulness and impact.



The bottom line: you don’t need a new committee or a glossy campaign. Just keep it simple, keep it biblical, and keep communicating. Generosity grows when gratitude and stories flow freely.
Resources:

* Rooted


* Upward Sports


* Church Growth Services


* Brown Church Development Group


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
* An opportunity to change the culture of your church


* Visit experiencerooted.com/churchanswers for free resources to help you learn more, including the What is Rooted? video and a free download of the Rooted experience framework and Rooted Workbook sample.

 

 



Start Preparing Now for 2026! Sports that Bring People Together.

Start preparing now for 2026 with sports that bring people together! As you look ahead to what’s next in your ministry, consider creating an outreach strategy that offers a warm invitation to the whole family—using sports as that natural and powerful invite. Whether it’s basketball, soccer, flag football, cheerleading, volleyball, baseball, pickleball, or even running for adults, Upward Sports is ready to equip your church to reach families right in the heart of your community. All it takes is one passionate leader and a church ready to make an impact.
Learn more at www.Upward.org/ChurchAnswers.
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2 weeks ago
23 minutes 49 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Unchurched Are Not Angry with You (But They Are Indifferent)
https://youtu.be/iM2mHDJ263M

Why don’t unchurched people attend church? It’s not because they’re mad or too busy. The top reason is simple: they just don’t see the point. Indifference is the enemy of engagement. In today’s episode, Josh and Sam share why that’s actually good news—and how the combination of spiritual conviction and a personal invitation can break through the apathy.



* Don’t argue with indifference—disrupt it with love and presence.
* Personal invitations still work and remain the #1 reason people attend.
* Start with a relationship, not a program.
* Pray for spiritual openness—then act on it with intentionality.



Resources:

* “Leadership in a Chaotic World” by Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre


* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Join Platinum for 1-on-1 and group coaching with Sam. Email sam@churchanswers.com


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


If you’re feeling the weight of leadership in today’s unstable world, you’re not alone.

Southern Seminary is offering a free ebook called Leadership in a Chaotic World—written by trusted faculty to equip pastors with biblical clarity, character, and conviction.

It’s a short, practical guide from Dr. Andrew Walker, Dr. Justin Irving, and Dr. Jeremy Pierre to help you lead well in the midst of cultural pressure, spiritual fatigue, and ministry complexity.

Download it for free.
Show more...
2 weeks ago
19 minutes 53 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Church Number: From 137 to 60 The Shrinking Median Church in America (2000–2023)
https://youtu.be/UTWSfi_cIoI

Since 2000, one of the most reliable sources of data on congregations in America has been the Faith Communities Today study, often referred to as FACT. It’s been conducted every five years, with the most recent survey in 2023 representing tens of thousands of congregations across every major faith tradition.

The FACT research gives us a clear picture of what the ‘typical’ church looks like over time. And here’s one of the most striking trends: in 2000, the median church in America had 137 people in attendance at weekly worship services. By 2023, that number had dropped to just 60. Today, Sam and Thom will talk about what that shift means for pastors, leaders, and the future of congregations.
Resources:

* Rooted


* Upward Sports


* Upward Running


* FACT 2023 Summary Reports


“The Surprising Return of the Neighborhood Church: Discover How Your Church Is Primed to Reach Your Neighbors” by Sam Rainer (affiliate link)


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
* An opportunity to change the culture of your church


* Visit experiencerooted.com/churchanswers for free resources to help you learn more, including the What is Rooted? video and a free download of the Rooted experience framework and Rooted Workbook sample.

 

 



Upward Running for Adults: Your Church’s Next Step in Outreach

Offer a 5K Challenge for adults at your church (engage your adults in 2026): Inspire your congregation and engage your community with a meaningful running ministry. Upward provides:

Tailored training plans to help your runner or walkers move from the couch to completing a 5k.
Access to the new RunClub app for tracking progress and building community.
A fully customizable program that fits your church's timeline — all led by your run coach who will be fully equipped with the Upward Running materials to lead.


Simple to Start: With just one passionate leader and no facility needed, your church parking lot can become the starting line for life transformation.
Build Stronger Connections: Use running to foster relationships, promote healthy habits, and grow spiritually while expanding your church’s impact.
Upward Sports is ready to help you start this at your church: Visit Upward.
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3 weeks ago
24 minutes 21 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
Many Churches Face Future Sticker Shock with Deferred Maintenance
https://youtu.be/HBeOodeUxXE

Sam interviews Tim Cool of Smart Church Solutions to dig into a hidden but pressing crisis facing many North American churches: deferred maintenance. Too often, churches delay costly but necessary facility repairs until the problems become overwhelming. This pattern of neglect can saddle pastors with impossible burdens and even push congregations toward closure. Yet, church buildings remain vital assets for kingdom work, providing gathering spaces, anchoring communities, and making ministry possible. We’ll explore both the challenges of sticker shock and practical strategies for churches to get ahead of the curve—budgeting wisely, prioritizing projects, and cultivating generosity that keeps facilities vibrant for generations.



* The Hidden Cost of Delay: Deferred maintenance is often ignored until it becomes catastrophic. Sticker shock from million-dollar HVAC replacements or six-figure roof repairs can cripple a congregation’s future.
* Facilities as Kingdom Assets: Church buildings aren’t just expenses; they’re strategic tools for ministry. Their visibility, accessibility, and welcoming environment play a direct role in evangelism and discipleship.
* The Pastor’s Burden: Neglected campuses can wear pastors down, distracting them from ministry and overwhelming them with constant facility crises.
* Practical Solutions Churches Can Implement: Create a budget line for deferred maintenance, prioritize projects quarterly, use surpluses strategically, and celebrate visible progress to inspire generosity.
* The Role of Ongoing Generosity: Encourage members to give consistently to a building fund, alongside the operating budget and missions giving, to sustain the church’s facilities long term.



Resources:

* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Smart Church Solutions


* Smart Church Solutions, Resources


* “Facility Management Devotional: A Year-Long Practical Guide” by Tim Cool, Nathan Parr, and Patrick Hart (affiliate link)


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


The Doctor of Ministry at Southern Seminary is designed to strengthen both you and your church.

You’ll bring a real challenge from your ministry into the program—and through trusted faculty mentorship and applied theological study, you’ll develop a biblically grounded, practical plan that equips you to implement lasting change in your church.

This is theological scholarship applied where it matters most: your local ministry.



Study under faculty mentors who are both scholars and seasoned ministry leaders.
Sharpen your thinking, deepen your theology, and lead with clarity.
Build a network of peers who share your calling and understand your challenges.



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3 weeks ago
24 minutes 30 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Burge Report: The Biggest Little Denomination: The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)
https://youtu.be/9h_3edqCYXE

Sam and Ryan Burge take a deep dive into the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), unpacking the denomination’s unique growth patterns, size distribution, and robust recordkeeping. They explore surprising statistics on membership trends, baptisms, and church finances—revealing why some PCA congregations thrive while others remain stagnant. The co-hosts highlight key takeaways for understanding both the strengths and challenges of one of America’s most data-rich evangelical denominations.



* High Data Compliance and Transparency – Nearly 90% of PCA churches submitted membership and financial data within the last three years, making their statistics unusually reliable compared to other denominations.
* Outsized Influence – The PCA has a significant presence on social media and a large-scale influence on evangelical Christians through their pastors and leaders (e.g., Tim Keller).
* Strong Growth but Uneven Distribution – While the PCA adds 1.5–2% to its membership rolls annually, growth is concentrated in larger churches, with many smaller congregations stagnant or declining.
* Predominantly Small to Mid-Sized Churches – The median PCA church has 117 members, and roughly 75% have 250 or fewer, mirroring national church size trends.
* Mixed Baptism Trends – About one-third of PCA churches had zero adult baptisms last year, and nearly half had fewer than three infant baptisms, signaling challenges in evangelism and retention.
* Financial Realities – Church income strongly correlates with size, averaging about $3,500 in additional annual income per new member, but with notable outliers in both wealth and scarcity.



Resources:

* Upward Sports


* Upward Sports: Pickleball


* Life Application Study Bible


* Church Connect


* Tyndale House Publishers


* “A Deep Dive into the Presbyterian Church in America” by Ryan Burge


* Ryan Burge


* “The American Religious Landscape” by Ryan Burge (affiliate link)


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


A Variety of Sports for Every Church. From basketball, cheerleading, soccer, flag football, volleyball, and baseball to running for adults — and now pickleball — Upward Sports offers flexible league options to fit your church’s unique needs.

Exciting News: Did you hear? Pickleball is the newest offering – Claim your TWO free net sets, while supplies last! Launched in April, pickleball is perfect for middle and high schoolers — easy to learn, quick to set up, and highly engaging. Whether you prefer a traditional league or a flexible practice-and-play format, Upward Sports is here to guide you. Plus, to help you get started,
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4 weeks ago
25 minutes 3 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The One-Person Church Communication Plan (That Actually Works)
https://youtu.be/HiQIh2eulZY

Many pastors and church leaders face a common challenge: how to develop an effective communications strategy when you don't have a big team to help you. Julie Masson, church communications expert, joins Sam on the show to discuss a simple, repeatable approach to managing church communications without burning out. You'll learn how to build a messaging calendar around the predictable rhythms of church life—like Easter, Christmas, and the fall ministry launch—and how that calendar can help you stay ahead, reduce stress, and communicate with clarity and consistency. With this plan, you will hear fewer comments like “I didn't hear about that” and more comments like “thanks for letting me know.”
Resources:

* Smart Church Solutions


* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Julie Masson


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:

Looking for a better way to manage your church or school facilities?

eSPACE is the leading facility management software built specifically for churches.

It helps you schedule events, manage work orders, and track assets - all in one place.

You can even automate things like HVAC and door access to save time and money.

Trusted by over 1,250 organizations - including some of the largest churches in the country.

If you're tired of spreadsheets, sticky notes, or last-minute maintenance emergencies, it's time to check out eSPACE.

Learn more and book a personalized demo at smartchurchsolutions.com/rainer/.

 

 

 



The Doctor of Ministry at Southern Seminary is designed to strengthen both you and your church.

You’ll bring a real challenge from your ministry into the program—and through trusted faculty mentorship and applied theological study, you’ll develop a biblically grounded, practical plan that equips you to implement lasting change in your church.

This is theological scholarship applied where it matters most: your local ministry.



Study under faculty mentors who are both scholars and seasoned ministry leaders.
Sharpen your thinking, deepen your theology, and lead with clarity.
Build a network of peers who share your calling and understand your challenges.



Learn how at sbts.edu/dmin.
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1 month ago
29 minutes 1 second

Rainer on Leadership
How to Get Families in Your Church to Read the Bible Together
https://youtu.be/4HrwDGcy0HM

Sam welcomes Amanda Jass to the Rainer on Leadership podcast. Amanda serves as the general editor for the NLT GO Bible and is a gifted writer, editor, illustrator, and encourager. She has a passion for creating content for all ages, with a special focus on resources for kids and families.



Why is it important for multiple generations to read God’s Word together?
In a time when generations often seem at odds, how can churches model a better way?
How can the New Living Translation and resources like the GO Bible help foster multigenerational relationships?
Children’s ministry is sometimes viewed as “less than” or simply something we have to do. How can we change that perception—and why does it matter?
Why is it important to model Bible reading and study for kids, and what are the benefits of doing it in community?



Resources:

* Kids GO Bible


* Amanda Jass


* Life Application Study Bible


* Church Connect


* Tyndale House Publishers


* Upward Sports


* Upward Sports: Pickleball


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


Experience profound transformation as you encounter God through the pages of the Life Application Study Bible. Bible engagement is not just about knowing Scripture; it’s about living it out! The Life Application Study Bible deepens your connection with God and inspires a transformed life through a growing relationship with Christ.

Crafted by dedicated scholars and pastors, the Life Application Study Bible is filled with thousands of study resources that increase understanding so you can experience Scripture’s life-changing power. For readers from nine to ninety and beyond, the Life Application Study Bible is designed to help you find true heart transformation.

Learn more here.

 



Start Preparing Now for 2026! Looking ahead to what’s next in your ministry? Create an outreach strategy that includes a warm invite for the whole family – use sports as that invite. Whether it's basketball, soccer,
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1 month ago
22 minutes 16 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Least Appreciated People in Your Church (And What To Do About It)
There are many underappreciated people in your church. If you are in leadership, you must ensure they receive the proper recognition, encouragement, and resources. Josh and Sam discuss several groups that fly under the radar but are critical to everyday ministry.



* Nursery workers
* People rolling off of teams or committees
* First-time givers (and longtime faith givers)
* Custodians and those who help clean the facility
* Small group leaders
* Staff spouses



Resources:

* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Smart Church Solutions


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


The Doctor of Ministry at Southern Seminary is designed to strengthen both you and your church.

You’ll bring a real challenge from your ministry into the program—and through trusted faculty mentorship and applied theological study, you’ll develop a biblically grounded, practical plan that equips you to implement lasting change in your church.

This is theological scholarship applied where it matters most: your local ministry.



Study under faculty mentors who are both scholars and seasoned ministry leaders.
Sharpen your thinking, deepen your theology, and lead with clarity.
Build a network of peers who share your calling and understand your challenges.



Learn how at sbts.edu/dmin.

 

 

Looking for a better way to manage your church or school facilities?

eSPACE is the leading facility management software built specifically for churches.

It helps you schedule events, manage work orders, and track assets - all in one place.

You can even automate things like HVAC and door access to save time and money.

Trusted by over 1,250 organizations - including some of the largest churches in the country.

If you're tired of spreadsheets, sticky notes, or last-minute maintenance emergencies, it's time to check out eSPACE.

Learn more and book a personalized demo at smartchurchsolutions.com/rainer/.
Show more...
1 month ago
20 minutes 52 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Legacy Life with David Green, Founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby, and Bill High, CEO of Legacy Stone
https://youtu.be/zcjgf7NTMAc

Thom and Sam welcome David Green, founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby, and Bill High, CEO of Legacy Stone, to the Rainer on Leadership podcast. Hobby Lobby employs 50,000 people at 1,000 stores in 48 states and grosses nearly $8 billion a year.

Author of The Legacy Life, Leadership Not by the Book, and The Leader's Devotional, Green received the World Changer award and the Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. David, his wife, Barbara, and their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren all live in Oklahoma City.

Legacy Stone is a ministry dedicated to helping families thrive today and for generations to come. A former attorney, Bill also founded one of the largest charitable foundations in the country where they facilitated more than $6 billion in gifts. He has consulted with families on a global basis on the subject of family legacy. A recognized speaker and teacher, he is the author and coauthor of several books, including Leadership Not by the Book. He lives with his wife, Brooke, in the Kansas City area.
Resources:

* “The Legacy Life: Leading Your Family to Make a Difference for Eternity” by David Green and Bill High (affiliate link)


* “Leadership Not by the Book: 12 Unconventional Principles to Drive Incredible Results” by David Green and Bill High (affiliate link)


* “The Leader's Devotional: 90 Days of Biblical Wisdom for Honoring God in All You Do” by David Green and Bill High (affiliate link)


* Upward Sports


* Upward Sports: Pickleball


* Life Application Study Bible


* Church Connect


* Tyndale House Publishers


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


A Variety of Sports for Every Church. From basketball, cheerleading, soccer, flag football, volleyball, and baseball to running for adults — and now pickleball — Upward Sports offers flexible league options to fit your church’s unique needs.

Exciting News: Did you hear? Pickleball is the newest offering – Claim your TWO free net sets, while supplies last! Launched in April, pickleball is perfect for middle and high schoolers — easy to learn, quick to set up, and highly engaging. Whether you prefer a traditional league or a flexible practice-and-play format, Upward Sports is here to guide you. Plus, to help you get started, Upward is offering two free Pickleball Net Sets when you create your league. But act fast — only 200 sets are available! Schedule your call today and build a purposeful pickleball ministry in your community. Learn more at www.Upward.org/Pickleball where you can access an equipment list, court dimensions, and more.

Be the Neighborhood Church. Want to create a welcoming space for families? Upward Sports provides a first-class, well-organized,
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1 month ago
27 minutes 10 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
How We’re Using AI in Sermon Prep Ethically and Efficiently
https://youtu.be/E1AWCjfzCpo

In this episode, Josh and Sam explore five practical ways pastors can use AI to improve their sermon prep. How should you balance being efficient with being ethical? If you’ve ever stared at a rough draft and thought, “Something’s off,” this episode will give you new ways to sharpen your message and preach with clarity.



* Use AI for stylistic feedback, not content.
* Refine complex points that your church may not grasp.
* Suggest places to shorten the word count and sermon length.
* Give insight into the tone of the message.
* Identify areas that could be controversial or perceived wrongly.



Resources:

* Smart Church Solutions


* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:

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The Doctor of Ministry at Southern Seminary is designed to strengthen both you and your church.

You’ll bring a real challenge from your ministry into the program—and through trusted faculty mentorship and applied theological study, you’ll develop a biblically grounded, practical plan that equips you to implement lasting change in your church.

This is theological scholarship applied where it matters most: your local ministry.



Study under faculty mentors who are both scholars and seasoned ministry leaders.
Sharpen your thinking, deepen your theology, and lead with clarity.
Build a network of peers who share your calling and understand your challenges.



Learn how at sbts.edu/dmin.
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1 month ago
28 minutes 24 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Unknown Connection Most Unchurched Have with the Church
https://youtu.be/0Nbsjv1VtCw

Most unchurched people have some past connection to church—often from childhood. Our research found that 63% of the unchurched used to attend regularly. Their current indifference isn’t based on ignorance; it’s often rooted in real, past experiences. This means our efforts to reach them aren't starting from zero. In this episode, Thom and Sam unpack what it means to engage the "dechurched"—those who’ve drifted away—and why this group might be more receptive than you think.



* Assume familiarity, not hostility, when engaging the unchurched.
* Past church experiences—good or bad—shape current attitudes.
* Holiday services are key re-entry points for many dechurched people.
* Reaching the unchurched begins by rebuilding broken or neglected bridges.



Resources:

* Life Application Study Bible


* Church Connect


* Tyndale House Publishers


* Upward Sports


* Upward Sports: Pickleball


* “The Anxious Generation Goes to Church” by Thom S. Rainer (affiliate link)


* Good News Neighbors Toolkit


* Invite Your One


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

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Experience profound transformation as you encounter God through the pages of the Life Application Study Bible. Bible engagement is not just about knowing Scripture; it’s about living it out! The Life Application Study Bible deepens your connection with God and inspires a transformed life through a growing relationship with Christ.

Crafted by dedicated scholars and pastors, the Life Application Study Bible is filled with thousands of study resources that increase understanding so you can experience Scripture’s life-changing power. For readers from nine to ninety and beyond, the Life Application Study Bible is designed to help you find true heart transformation.

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Start Preparing Now for 2026! Looking ahead to what’s next in your ministry? Create an outreach strategy that includes a warm invite for the whole f...
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1 month ago
24 minutes 3 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
Six Essential Pastoral Meetings No One is Scheduling For You
https://youtu.be/HsMxaHP9mE4

It's easy to focus on what is right in front of you—the fires, the squeaky wheel, the pop-in visit. However, a pure reactive management style does not help a church move forward. Josh and Sam discuss some meetings that take initiative but will pay many dividends.



* Work on the work
* Sermon series overview with your team
* The low-maintenance influencer
* Monthly to-do checklist with key leaders
* Personal counseling
* Sermon prep at least one quarter ahead



Resources:

* Doctor of Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Smart Church Solutions


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Central


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:


The Doctor of Ministry at Southern Seminary is designed to strengthen both you and your church.

You’ll bring a real challenge from your ministry into the program—and through trusted faculty mentorship and applied theological study, you’ll develop a biblically grounded, practical plan that equips you to implement lasting change in your church.

This is theological scholarship applied where it matters most: your local ministry.



Study under faculty mentors who are both scholars and seasoned ministry leaders.
Sharpen your thinking, deepen your theology, and lead with clarity.
Build a network of peers who share your calling and understand your challenges.



Learn how at sbts.edu/dmin.

 

 

Looking for a better way to manage your church or school facilities?

eSPACE is the leading facility management software built specifically for churches.

It helps you schedule events, manage work orders, and track assets - all in one place.

You can even automate things like HVAC and door access to save time and money.

Trusted by over 1,250 organizations - including some of the largest churches in the country.

If you're tired of spreadsheets, sticky notes, or last-minute maintenance emergencies, it's time to check out eSPACE.

Learn more and book a personalized demo at smartchurchsolutions.com/rainer/.
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1 month ago
25 minutes 24 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Burge Report: The Kids Aren’t Alright—And Church Student Ministry Might Actually Help
https://youtu.be/4PCi3vmFLzY

From diapers to dating, parenting never stops presenting hard questions. But today’s concern is different: Gen Z teens are experiencing a full-blown collapse in social connection. Dating is down. Friend time is down. Jobs are down. According to Monitoring the Future, the percentage of antisocial high school seniors quintupled from 3.5% in 1995 to nearly 16% in 2022. But here’s the twist: the one group that remained more socially engaged? Teens who attend church monthly. In today’s episode, Ryan, Thom, and Sam unpack the surprising role of religion in keeping kids socially healthy—and what churches can do to help.



* Regular church attendance gives teens built-in opportunities for face-to-face connection.
* Youth groups and church events can fill the relational gaps left by declining extracurriculars and jobs.
* Churchgoing teens are less likely to be socially isolated across multiple categories.
* Don’t over-program—create organic spaces where teens can talk, laugh, and serve together.
* Equip parents with language and tools to balance screen time and real time.
* View your youth ministry as a key contributor to emotional and social development, not just spiritual growth.



Resources:

* Rooted


* Upward Sports


* Upward Sports: Pickleball


* “High School Students Are Growing Incredibly Anti-Social” by Ryan Burge


* Ryan Burge


* “The Anxious Generation Goes to Church” by Thom S. Rainer (affiliate link)


* “The American Religious Landscape” by Ryan Burge (affiliate link)


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

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* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
* An opportunity to change the culture of your church


* Visit experiencerooted.com/churchanswers for free resources to help you learn more, including the What is Rooted? video and a free download of the Rooted experience framework and Rooted Workbook sample.

 



The Power of Partnership. Upward Sports is the world's largest Christian youth sports organization, empowering local churches to use sports as a dynamic connection tool to engage their communities.

Start Preparing Now for 2026! Looking ahead to what’s next in your ministry? Create an outreach strategy that includes a warm invite for the whole family – use sports as that invite.
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1 month ago
31 minutes 14 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
What Really Scares People Away from Church
https://youtu.be/8XpF5XoCxuc

Doctrine, expectations, and high standards do not scare people away from church. Confusion is the main enemy. According to Church Answers Research, over 60% of unchurched people agree or strongly agree that churches are confusing for outsiders—and shockingly, 60% of churchgoers say the same.



* Higher confusion and lower trust levels mean the unchurched have doubts about raising their families and discovering their talents in the context of the church.
* While attendees overwhelmingly believe the church is a good place to raise families (85%) and discover their talents (75%), the unchurched do not share the same perception. Only 44% of the unchurched agree or strongly agree the church is a good place to raise families.
* Additionally, only 29% of the unchurched agree or strongly agree that the church is a good place to discover and grow their talents.



Both groups recognize that what happens inside the church often lacks clarity and accessibility. In this episode, Josh and Sam talk about how confusion creates distance—and how simple clarity can bring people closer to faith and community.



Clarity is kindness—explain everything, assume nothing.
Offer a regular membership class that covers belief, belonging, and behavior.
Use simple language in your worship services, signage, and bulletins to make things understandable.
Include a clear doctrinal overview—don’t hide what you believe or expect.
Set realistic expectations for involvement early to avoid consumerism.
Regularly evaluate your communication with unchurched people in mind—not just insiders.



Resources:

* Smart Church Solutions


* The Revitalization at Shadowbrook Church


* Doctor of Educational Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


The Hope Initiative

Episode Sponsors:

Looking for a better way to manage your church or school facilities?

eSPACE is the leading facility management software built specifically for churches.

It helps you schedule events, manage work orders, and track assets - all in one place.

You can even automate things like HVAC and door access to save time and money.

Trusted by over 1,250 organizations - including some of the largest churches in the country.

If you're tired of spreadsheets, sticky notes, or last-minute maintenance emergencies, it's time to check out eSPACE.

Learn more and book a personalized demo at smartchurchsolutions.com/rainer/.

 

 
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2 months ago
29 minutes 4 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
The Big Front Door for Guests Just About Every Church Misses
https://youtu.be/Z_ie_1neiAU

Most churches miss this front door, not because of a lack of awareness but because of a lack of effort. Over half of the unchurched believe church could be a great place to make friends, but nearly 60% say it’s too intimidating to visit alone. That’s a huge opportunity. Today’s episode highlights how friendship, follow-up, and one key ingredient—an invitation—can lower the barrier and open the door for gospel conversations. Thom and Sam discuss some key takeaways from their new research.



* Don’t just invite—offer to sit with them.
* Make your church more relational than institutional.
* Hospitality teams should focus on emotional comfort, not just logistics.
* Friendship often precedes faith; prioritize connection over conversion.



Resources:

* Upward Running


* Rooted


* “Opening the front door: Worship and church growth” by James Emery White (affiliate link)


* “Surprising Insights from the Unchurched and Proven Ways to Reach Them” by Thom S. Rainer (affiliate link)


* Brown Church Development Group


* Church Growth Services: Get your free campaign capacity analysis!


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

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Upward Running for Adults: Your Church’s Next Step in Outreach

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Tailored training plans to help your runner or walkers move from the couch to completing a 5k.
Access to the new RunClub app for tracking progress and building community.
A fully customizable program that fits your church's timeline — all led by your run coach who will be fully equipped with the Upward Running materials to lead.


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Build Stronger Connections: Use running to foster relationships, promote healthy habits, and grow spiritually while expanding your church’s impact.
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* The Rooted experience can help you create a discipleship culture that connects your people and leads to ongoing life change in Jesus. Rooted is...

* A proven plan for helping people connect to God, their church, and their purpose
* A sustainable way to launch groups
* An approach to discipleship that helps people step out of their comfort zones and experience life-changing rhythms of discipleship
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2 months ago
26 minutes 33 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
Building a Worship Ministry that Excels On and Off the Stage
https://youtu.be/508ZeR4uSnk

Sam talks with worship leaders Tara Banks and Nate Davis about building thriving, long-lasting worship ministries. Together, they unpack how to develop leaders who excel both on stage and in organization, create healthy pipelines for team recruitment and onboarding, and refine systems that support excellence in worship. With decades of ministry insight, Tara and Nate share practical steps for sustaining your own leadership while fostering teams that are united, prepared, and spiritually vibrant.

Tara is a worship pastor and has served at Seacoast Church for 32 years. She is married with two boys, author of two books, and loves to see worship leaders step into their full potential.

Nate has served the local church for 24 years as a worship pastor, songwriter, creative, and a builder of spaces for soul care. He’s married with four children and is passionate about helping leaders live well so they can lead well and leave a legacy that lasts.
Resources:

* The Revitalization at Shadowbrook Church


* Doctor of Educational Ministry, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


* Smart Church Solutions


* The Worship Dept.


* Church Answers Platinum Membership


* FREE Research Report! New Surprising Insights


* The Hope Initiative

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Shadowbrook Church members in Suwanee, Georgia, have rediscovered their first love–serving Christ and loving others. 

But during Jerrod Rumley’s first two years as pastor, he was shepherding a divided congregation. 



A small number of members seemed better suited for sharing gossip than the gospel.
Older and younger members had relegated the Great Commission to the church staff. 
Gen-Xers were comfortable in a congregation that placed few demands upon them. 
Others were busy meeting community needs–yet seldom shared the gospel.



Rumley needed guidance to unify his splintered congregation. 

He knew exactly where to turn.

Go to SBTS.edu/Unified to read about the steps Shadowbrook’s pastor took to erase barriers and revive the church’s passion for evangelism and discipleship. 

Those same steps are available to you, and it begins at SBTS.edu/Unified.

 

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2 months ago
31 minutes 56 seconds

Rainer on Leadership
Rainer on Leadership is your online home for leadership lessons for the local church. This twice-weekly podcast provides practical training on important issues for church leaders and pastors. For more information, visit ChurchAnswers.com.