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The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
The DTC Podcast Network
68 episodes
3 days ago
Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.
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Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.
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The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 67: Site Funnels 2.0: The Product Discovery Revenue System

In Site Funnels 2.0, Jordan breaks down how product discovery actually works when you have hundreds, thousands, or even millions of SKUs.


This episode is the follow-up to Site Funnels 1.0, shifting from hero-product funnels to the long-tail reality of mega-catalog brands. You’ll learn how to use email, dynamic merchandising, and just 12 digital assets to turn browsing into buying at scale, without spending more on ads.


Jordan walks through two discovery funnels, how to use email as a shoppable landing page, and why most brands are massively underusing their biggest revenue engine: their existing traffic and subscribers.


#EmailMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #RetentionMarketing #ProductDiscovery #PostClickOptimization #CustomerJourney #LifecycleMarketing #Klaviyo #Shopify #DTC #DirectToConsumer #DigitalMerchandising #ConversionRateOptimization #CRO #GrowthMarketing #RevenueGrowth #MarketingStrategy #CustomerRetention #LongTailEconomy #MarketingPodcast


00:00 — Introduction

01:00 — “Double your revenue with no ad cost” and the 12-asset funnel idea

03:10 — The difference between manageable-SKU brands and mega-SKU brands

05:31 — Low-intent vs high-intent traffic and how funnels are split

10:23 — How email triples your product discovery at-bats (with real brand data)

15:17 — Funnel 1: using five recommendation emails to power discovery

23:17 — Funnel 2: turning category browsing into high-intent revenue

41:39 — Why doubling conversion rate beats buying more traffic


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

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3 days ago
44 minutes 29 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 66: Site Funnels 1.0: The Post-Click Revenue System

In this episode, Jordan breaks down Site Funnels 1.0, a post-click revenue system designed to turn traffic, email, and organic visitors into low-cost, compounding revenue.


You’ll learn how the world’s best ecommerce teams think about funnels, choke points, and psychological progression across the site and why improving conversion rate is often the fastest way to grow without increasing ad spend.


Jordan walks through how visitors move from homepage to category pages to product pages to checkout, how to identify the moments that control revenue, and how to design funnels for both qualified and unqualified traffic.


Hashtags:

#ecommerce #cro #conversionrateoptimization #dtc #shopify #emailmarketing #retentionmarketing #growthmarketing #onlinestore #digitalmarketing #funnelmarketing #performancecommerce #customerjourney #postclick #ecommercestrategy


Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Why a 0.5% conversion rate destroys revenue

02:29 – Ads create awareness, websites create revenue

11:27 – The four stages every site must solve

20:15 – The two-minute rule for conversions

32:28 – The five site funnels that drive ecommerce revenue

49:41 – Why PDPs are the real revenue engine


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 week ago
49 minutes 35 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 65: Where Email Revenue Actually Comes From

In this episode of the World’s Best Email Retention Podcast, Jordan breaks down real buyer data to show which customers truly drive email and retention revenue, and which ones don’t.


Using a simple but powerful buyer-group framework (recent vs. stale, first-time vs. repeat), Jordan unpacks why email doesn’t chase the same dollar as ads, why most campaign revenue comes from buyers ads no longer influence, and why optimizing email metrics alone can lead brands to miss their most additive revenue.


#EmailRetention #CustomerLifecycle #EcommerceOperators #DTCBrands #RetentionStrategy #EmailROI #ShopifyBrands #MarketingAnalytics #GrowthMarketing


00:00 – Why retention, not acquisition, defines efficient growth

01:29 – Email metrics vs. the real retention source of truth

02:10 – The two models every operator needs to understand retention

06:31 – The buyer framework that explains where email revenue comes from

19:08 – Why email monetizes customers ads no longer reach

24:26 – The revenue impact of stale repeat buyers


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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2 weeks ago
34 minutes 6 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 64: The Financial Case for CRO

Conversion rate optimization is not a “nice to have.” It is the most reliable way to increase profit without increasing spend.


In this episode, Jordan breaks down the financial case for CRO using a simple, realistic model that compares three paths: holding steady, scaling ad spend, and improving site conversion. The results are clear. Spending more on ads can reduce margin, while improving conversion rate increases revenue, efficiency, and profit at the same time.


You’ll learn why brands should maximize low-cost, owned revenue first, how CRO impacts MER, ROI, and margin, and why advertising should support owned traffic growth, not replace it. Jordan also walks through where CRO fits in the broader ecommerce stack, from site fundamentals and email to paid media and awareness channels.


#ecommerce #conversionrateoptimization #cro #emailmarketing #retentionmarketing #ownedmedia #dtc #digitalmarketing #pilothouse #dtcnewsletter #dtcpodcast


00:00 Introduction

00:59 The financial case for CRO explained

03:38 Ads vs CRO: the spreadsheet comparison

08:31 How scaling ad spend can reduce margin

10:28 Why CRO dramatically improves ROI and efficiency

15:45 The real purpose of advertising


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 weeks ago
24 minutes 22 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 63: Black Friday: What Worked

Black Friday is the biggest stress test of your email system, and this year delivered some clear winners.


In this episode, Jordan breaks down the real tactics that moved revenue: odd-hour sends, plain-text power plays, mystery-angle subject lines, triple taps (and when a pentatap might make sense), plus where revenue actually came from across engaged, unengaged, prospects, and buyers.


#emailmarketing #ecommerce #dtc #retentionmarketing #pilothouse #blackfriday #marketingstrategy #q4


00:00 — Introduction

00:28 — Inboxing Is Getting Harder

01:00 — Subject Line Mystery vs Clarity

02:40 — Odd-Hour Sending Wins

03:10 — Why Plain Text Performs

06:05 — Triple Taps: What We Saw

10:58 — Penta Taps: Use With Caution

14:03 — Where Black Friday Revenue Actually Came From


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
25 minutes 8 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 62: Where Should That Click Go? Landing Pages, Homepages, and PDPs

Most brands obsess over ads and ignore the moment that matters most: where the click lands. In this episode, Jordan Gordon and Pilothouse strategist Taylor Cain break down how to decide whether traffic should go to your homepage, a PDP, a collection, or a dedicated landing page—plus how to diagnose when conversion rate issues aren’t about your ad at all.


You’ll learn:

  • When a landing page outperforms your homepage (and when it doesn’t)
  • How consideration level, pricing, and message clarity determine the ideal click-through path
  • Why “anchoring” and UX sequencing can dramatically change conversion rates
  • How testing new PDP structures (including delaying price) can increase results
  • How to build fast, scrappy landing pages that plug cleanly into Shopify
  • What heatmaps, scroll behavior, and section-level engagement reveal about friction
  • Why iteration beats theory — and how to develop a testing mindset that actually finds signal


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #CRO #LandingPages #EcommerceStrategy #DTCMarketing #ShopifyBrands


00:00 — Introduction

01:00 — When a Landing Page Beats Your Homepage

03:00 — How Disrupted Traffic Changes Your Funnel

06:00 — Rising Prices, Rising Consideration

10:00 — PDP vs Landing Page: Which One Converts Better?

14:00 — Why Testing Beats Theory Every Time

20:00 — The Underrated Power of Email Capture on Landers

29:00 — Inside a High-Performing Landing Page Build


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

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1 month ago
37 minutes 41 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 61: Last-Minute BFCM Checklist (12 min)

In this quick 12-minute episode, Jordan breaks down the 10 essential checks every brand should make before launching their BFCM emails. From segmentation cleanup to triple-tapping safely to avoiding coupon-code errors that kill conversions, this is your last-minute guide to protecting inboxing and maximizing revenue on the biggest email day of the year.


You’ll learn:

• The segmentation fixes that instantly reduce spam risk

• How to double-tap and triple-tap without hurting deliverability

• Why “send only to non-openers” is dangerous

• How to set abandoned flows for BFCM week

• The right way to test subject lines on Black Friday

• How to safely expand your list size using incremental sends

• The universal site banner setup every brand should have live


#emailmarketing #ecommercemarketing #dtc #bfcm #blackfriday2025 #retentionmarketing #klaviyo #deliverability #cro #dtcnewsletter #twberp #marketingpodcast


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
12 minutes 10 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 60: Deliverability Office Hours: Jordan Asks Everything (feat. senders.co)

Email might be the oldest channel in the digital stack, but it’s never been more complicated. In this episode, Jordan sits down with Benny Rubin (CEO of senders.co) and deliverability expert Omer to get straight answers to the questions brands never get clear guidance on.


From engagement windows, static send sizes, and domain reputation to inboxing myths, blacklists, warming strategies, ESP limitations, and how Gmail/Yahoo actually judge your sends, this is a full deliverability deep dive.


If you’ve ever wondered why your campaigns suddenly tanked, why one ESP rejects more than another, or whether you should really be sending to that wider window… this episode is for you.


#EmailMarketing #Deliverability #Klaviyo #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #InboxPlacement #Sendersco #DTCMarketing #MarketingPodcast


00:00 — Introduction

04:01 — The Real Triggers Behind Deliverability Crises

10:20 — Engagement Windows & Why Opens Aren’t What You Think

16:29 — Why Some Domains Play by Different Rules

24:14 — The Truth About “Delivered” vs. SMTP Reality

35:19 — Static Send Size: How Much Variance Is Safe?

42:57 — Should Segments Be Combined to Save Inboxing?


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
46 minutes 59 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 59: Under the Hood: What’s Really Happening in Your Account

Think your email program is performing just fine? You might want to take another look.


In this episode, Jordan lifts the hood on a real (anonymized) account to show how misleading metrics, privacy opens, and bot clicks can make an email program look healthy when it’s actually underperforming.


You’ll learn how to spot the signs of deliverability decay, interpret your data accurately, and understand what’s really happening inside your email engine, so you can turn false positives into real performance.


#EmailMarketing #Deliverability #EcommerceMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailStrategy #RetentionMarketing #DTC #MarketingPodcast #DigitalMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #DataDrivenMarketing #Pilothouse #TWBERP #EmailOptimization


00:00 – Introduction

01:00 – How inbox privacy changes hide real performance issues

06:00 – Bounce rates, open rates, and what they actually tell you

10:00 – When high click rates mean your emails aren’t reaching anyone

12:00 – Klaviyo benchmarks vs. reality: the top-performer gap

18:00 – The silent destroyer: misconfigured flows and false metrics

26:00 – How to audit your own account (and what the data really means)


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
30 minutes 56 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 58: Email Deliverability, Explained — with Benny Rubin of Senders.co (Part 1)

What actually determines whether your emails land in the inbox or the spam folder?


In this episode, Jordan Gordon sits down with Benny Rubin, founder and CEO of Senders.co, for a deep dive into the mechanics of deliverability.


They break down how domain age, subdomains, and warmup patterns affect reputation, why engagement ratios matter more than send volume, and what Gmail and Microsoft really look for when evaluating your sends.


00:00 – Introduction and Why Deliverability Matters

02:00 – Meet Benny Rubin of Senders.co

07:10 – Domain Age, Warmup, and Subdomains

15:22 – Cold Email, Ratios, and Reputation

23:14 – Why Open Rates Lie

33:27 – Fingerprints, Frequency, and Testing

45:03 – Fixing Deliverability at Scale


#EmailMarketing #Deliverability #RetentionMarketing #Klaviyo #InboxPlacement #EcommerceMarketing #DTC #MarketingStrategy #EmailOptimization #CustomerRetention #MarketingOperations #Pilothouse #SendersCo #TWBERP


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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2 months ago
54 minutes 8 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 57: Shaan Arora on the Real Pop-Up Levers: Copy, Timing, Segmentation

Every brand uses a pop-up... but most leave serious revenue on the table.


In this episode, Jordan sits down with Shaan Arora, founder of Alia, to break down the real pop-up levers that drive conversion: copy, timing, and segmentation.


You’ll learn what 150 million monthly pop-up views reveal about what actually moves the needle, how AI testing is changing optimization, and why design isn’t the difference-maker you think it is.


Plus, the Pilothouse team’s early experiments with Alia (including one that 5x’d a welcome flow) and where Shaan sees the future of email, SMS, and personalization heading.


#EmailMarketing #Retention #Ecommerce #PopUps #CRO #ConversionOptimization #DTC #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #AI #MarketingStrategy #CustomerAcquisition #CustomerRetention #EmailDesign #MarketingAutomation #ListGrowth #Shopify #RetentionMarketing #GrowthMarketing #MarketingData #Alia #Pilothouse #TWBERP


00:00 – Intro: Why every brand uses pop-ups—and why most get them wrong

01:31 – Shaan Arora (Alia) joins to break down what really moves conversions

03:56 – How Alia grew from 0 to 2,500 brands and 150M monthly pop-up views

09:07 – The real levers: copy, timing, and segmentation

11:05 – Testing, AI optimization, and why design matters less than you think

14:36 – Authenticity, AI, and the future of email & SMS

17:56 – Smart offers and one-to-one pop-up personalization

24:40 – Shaan’s top tips: timing, mystery offers, and full-screen testing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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2 months ago
29 minutes 6 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 56: The 4 Stages of the Website Purchase Funnel

Your website has just two minutes to make money, literally.

In this episode, Jordan Gordon breaks down the four critical stages of the website purchase funnel and how to keep visitors moving from “just looking” to “ready to buy.”

You’ll learn:

• What needs to happen in the first two seconds of every session

• How to prove your site is trustworthy in under 15 seconds

• The simple formula to reduce bounces and boost conversions • How to find and fix your site’s biggest “choke points” using heatmaps


#CRO #EcommerceMarketing #DTC #EmailMarketing #Retention #WebsiteOptimization #ConversionRateOptimization #MarketingPodcast


00:00 — Introduction and why average session time matters

03:31 — The 4 stages of the website conversion funnel

04:01 — Stage 1–2: Hook visitors fast (load speed, visuals, messaging)

07:57 — Stage 3–4: Build trust + convert in under 2 minutes

21:32 — Finding “choke points” with heatmaps and testing

25:51 — Final takeaways: simplicity wins, every second counts


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast⁠

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2 months ago
31 minutes 29 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 55: Talk Turkey - The Q4 Email Gut Check

It’s crunch time.

 

Jordan Gordon breaks down a no-BS audit you can run this week to see whether your email program is actually inboxing, or just propped up by Apple Privacy opens and bot clicks.


From ISP splits (Gmail vs. iCloud) to the “ladder” segmentation test (0–30 / 31–60 / 61–90+ days), Jordan shows how to spot false signals, clean up your sends, and shift from campaign volume to revenue-driving automations before Black Friday.


What you’ll learn:

  • How to read ISP-level signals and uncover the Apple Privacy mirage
  • The ladder test: a simple way to see who’s truly receiving your emails
  • Bot clicks (Proofpoint, Outlook/G Suite) vs. real engagement—and what to exclude
  • When to cool campaigns, tighten segmentation, and let flows carry Q4
  • Why “more sends” can tank deliverability—and how to ramp safely

 

 

#emailmarketing #retentionmarketing #ecommercegrowth #deliverability #klaviyo #customerretention #dtcpodcast #marketingops #inboxing #emailstrategy #q4prep #blackfriday2025 #ecommercemarketing #emailsegmentation #automations #pilothouse #dtcbrands #marketingpodcast #growthmarketing #digitalmarketing


00:00 — Introduction

01:32 — Talk Turkey: The Q4 email gut check begins

05:53 — The deadly combo: Increasing audience and frequency at once

10:13 — The risk of scaling sends without the right tools

12:12 — How to run an ISP-level audit (Gmail vs. iCloud)

14:07 — The Ladder Test: Find out who’s really seeing your emails

18:58 — The bot-click trap and false engagement signals

34:56 — Less is more: Shrink sends, grow deliverability and revenue


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcastSubscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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2 months ago
45 minutes 37 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 54: How to Win Black Friday 2025 (and Keep Your Reputation Intact)

Black Friday isn’t about clever tricks; it’s about doing the basics better (and not tanking your sender reputation while you’re at it).


In this episode, Jordan breaks down The Pilothouse Way to win Black Friday: how to increase send volume without burning your list, why “double-tapping non-openers” is a fatal mistake, and the counterintuitive truth about who actually buys and when.


You’ll also learn:

Why boring subject lines outperform “creative” ones during BFCM

How to structure every email assuming it’s the only one your subscriber opens

The simple post–Black Friday tactic that turns one-time buyers into repeat customers


#EmailMarketing #BlackFriday #CyberMonday #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailStrategy #Deliverability #MarketingTips #DTC #DigitalMarketing #MarketingPodcast #Pilothouse #TWBERP #EcommerceGrowth #MarketingStrategy #LifecycleMarketing #EmailAutomation #BFCM #PerformanceMarketing


0:00 — Introduction

2:00 — What Actually Drives Results

3:00 — Cadence and Frequency: How Much Is Too Much?

5:00 — The Double-Tap Disaster

6:00 — How Buyers Actually Behave (and Why It Matters)

8:00 — The Boring Secret to Black Friday Success

13:00 — Turn Black Friday Buyers Into December Buyers

19:00 — The “Saucy” 30% Repeat Purchase Tactic


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 months ago
25 minutes 37 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 53: Examining Urban Outfitters’ Impressive Email Machine

In this episode, Jordan breaks down exactly why it works. From full-bleed, image-driven emails that feel like window shopping to seamless category pages that reinforce continuity, UO shows how to connect inbox to onsite in a way that drives real platform revenue.


You’ll learn:

Why simple, image-first templates can outperform copy-heavy emails

How UO ties email campaigns to category pages for frictionless shopping

Smart discovery tactics like “shop by fit” and complete-the-look recs

What other brands can steal from UO’s approach to retention


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #UrbanOutfitters #DTC #DigitalMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailDesign #EcommerceStrategy #MarketingPodcast #LifecycleMarketing #Klaviyo #Pilothouse #EmailStrategy #BrandBreakdown #MarketingTips


00:00:00 Introduction

00:01:00 Platform revenue & landing page continuity

00:04:00 Subject lines, frequency, preheader text

00:07:00 Sale emails & scalable templates

00:09:00 Full-bleed “window shopping” email design

00:24:00 Complete-the-look recs on PDPs


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 months ago
30 minutes 34 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 52: Don’t Let This Tactic Tank Q4

In this episode of The World’s Best Email Retention Podcast, Jordan explores a list growth approach that looks appealing on the surface but can create hidden risks for your email program.


He explains how these tactics affect deliverability and reporting, and what to focus on instead to keep your channel strong heading into Q4.

  • 0:00 – Introduction
  • 0:56 – An overview of certain list-growth tactics
  • 4:59 – How permission impacts deliverability
  • 9:22 – Examples of client deliverability challenges
  • 12:39 – What the data shows about subscriber quality
  • 22:23 – Broader implications for the email ecosystem


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #Deliverability #ListGrowth #EcommerceMarketing #MarketingPodcast #DigitalMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailStrategy #Q4Marketing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠⁠⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast⁠⁠

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠⁠⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠⁠⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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3 months ago
26 minutes 19 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 51: Email Like a Billion Dollar Brand on a Five-Figure Budget (Part 2)

We’re back with Part 2 of Email Like a Billion Dollar Brand on a Five-Figure Budget.

In this episode of the World’s Best Email & Retention Podcast, Jordan digs into the playbook billion-dollar brands use, and shows how to apply it without the billion-dollar resources. You’ll learn:

  • Why you should launch everything as a test
  • The simple segmentation model that can transform your campaigns
  • How cadence, subject lines, and destinations shape results
  • Why “set it and forget it” is a dangerous trap for growing brands

 👉 Subscribe for more practical strategies to keep your list engaged and your retention revenue flowing.

#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #CustomerRetention #EmailStrategy #LifecycleMarketing #MarketingPodcast #EmailSegmentation #ABTesting #EcommercePodcast

00:00 – Introduction

01:30 – Launch every campaign element as a test

04:29 – What to test first: triggers, cadence, subject lines & more

10:23 – How bad segmentation wrecks inboxing

13:49 – The simple six-segment model for smarter targeting

22:35 – Using product segmentation to drive hero sales

25:59 – Created date segmentation: this year’s vs. last year’s business

31:22 – Base analysis and the truth about repeat buyers

36:44 – Key takeaways on testing, frequency & segmentation


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast⁠

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3 months ago
38 minutes 50 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 50: Email Like a Billion Dollar Brand on a Five-Figure Budget (Part 1)

In this episode, Jordan shares how to build a high-leverage email program that acts like a billion-dollar engine, even on a lean budget.


You’ll learn:

  • Why email is the most reliable “free traffic” channel
  • The power of recommendations by category
  • How to structure clean funnels that convert
  • Automation tactics big brands use to keep margins fat


Perfect for entrepreneurs, marketers, and operators who want to make email their most profitable channel.


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #DTCMarketing #DigitalMarketing #MarketingStrategy #EmailAutomation #CustomerRetention #OwnedMedia #GrowthMarketing #MarketingPodcast #BillionDollarBrand #EmailTips #MarketingPlaybook #Klaviyo #Shopify #EmailStrategy #MarketingGrowth #EcommerceTips


00:00 Introduction: Why email is the cheapest customer channel

00:05 Big brands, free traffic, and push-button revenue

00:11 Core email models: fashion, Subscribe & Save, single-SKU

00:20 Buy-online vs buy-in-store strategies

00:23 The Awareness Table: shifting from paid to owned

00:36 Automating like a billion-dollar brand


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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4 months ago
50 minutes

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 49: American Eagle vs. Everlane (Part 2 – Brand vs. Revenue)

In Part 2 of our American Eagle vs. Everlane breakdown, we shift focus to Everlane. Jordan Gordon dives into how the DTC-first brand approaches email and onsite strategy compared to AE’s revenue-driven program.


From minimalist design choices to refined upsell tactics, we explore how Everlane uses email as a brand-building tool while American Eagle leans on volume to hit quarterly numbers.


You’ll learn:

  • Why Everlane’s minimalism works as more than just an aesthetic
  • The difference between brand-driving vs. revenue-driving email programs
  • Key upsell and cross-sell tactics that stand out onsite
  • What marketers can take away from both approaches


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #EmailStrategy #CustomerRetention #Retention #BrandBuilding #RevenueGrowth #BrandVsRevenue #EcommerceStrategy #AmericanEagle #Everlane #DTC #DirectToConsumer #Ecommerce #TWBERP #DTCPodcast #MarketingPodcast #EcommercePodcast


00:00:00 - Intro

00:01:00 - Brand vs. Revenue

00:03:00 - Everlane’s DTC Reality

00:06:00 - Subject Lines & Preheaders

00:09:00 - Short Subject Lines

00:13:00 - Minimalist Email Design

00:20:00 - Artistic Visuals

00:28:00 - Final Takeaways


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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4 months ago
33 minutes 43 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 48: American Eagle vs. Everlane: Who Wins the Inbox? (Part 1)

In this episode, Jordan Gordon from Pilothouse breaks down how these two apparel giants approach email, onsite creative, and retention strategy. From American Eagle’s triple-tap sends and maximalist promos to Everlane’s minimalist subject lines and brand positioning, we explore what actually works and what’s just noise.


👉 Listen in to uncover:

  • The ROI of splashy celebrity campaigns vs. subtle brand building
  • How email frequency impacts inboxing and long-term loyalty
  • Lessons smaller brands can steal from billion-dollar retailers
  • It’s the World’s Best Email & Retention Podcast, and Part 1 of this matchup sets the stage for a heavyweight battle in the inbox.


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #DigitalMarketing

#AmericanEagle #Everlane #InboxWars #CustomerRetention

#EcommerceGrowth #BrandStrategy #MarketingStrategy #CustomerExperience #MarketingPodcast


00:00 – Retention is the cheapest growth lever

02:00 – American Eagle vs. Everlane: framing the matchup

05:00 – Celebrity campaigns: hype, sales, and stock price

08:00 – Market cap & trading-range reality check

13:00 – Everlane’s DTC-first retention edge

16:00 – Subject line strategy: % off vs. $35 anchor

21:00 – Email frequency & inboxing risks

27:00 – Onsite teardown: homepage, pop-ups, and PDP misses


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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4 months ago
32 minutes 47 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.