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Thought Behind Things
Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi
530 episodes
4 days ago
TBT is Pakistan's fastest-growing podcast show covering conversations around Art, Culture & Technology. Tune in thrice a week to be a part of our community! We upload every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
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TBT is Pakistan's fastest-growing podcast show covering conversations around Art, Culture & Technology. Tune in thrice a week to be a part of our community! We upload every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
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Thought Behind Things
How Danial’s Food Videos Hit 2–5 Million Views Without a Studio Ft. Danial | 488 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit with Muhammad Danial, the creator who unintentionally turned simple kitchen experiments into one of Pakistan’s most engaging food communities. From growing up as a quiet kid dealing with OCD, to finding confidence through a camera, to balancing the pressure of online fame with the weight of personal identity, Danial shares the untold story behind his rise.


What We Discuss:

  • Danial’s journey into content and the life experiences that shaped him
  • How mental health and identity influenced his creative path
  • Building a loyal food community and navigating sudden visibility
  • Balancing family expectations, education, and career choices
  • His evolving relationship with food, business, and long-term purpose
  • The mindset guiding his growth, spirituality, and future vision


A candid, inside look at how a young creator is navigating identity, mental health, and sudden digital success, and a long-term path in Pakistan today.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Danial's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/m1danial/


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 19 minutes 55 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Inside Daari Mooch: From Beard Oil to a $3M Brand in Pakistan Ft. Ibrahim Shaukat | 487 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit with Ibrahim Shaukat, the founder, who turned Daari Mooch from a small beard-oil experiment into one of Pakistan’s most recognized grooming brands.


From building products in a market that didn’t exist, to opening their own salon, to navigating Pakistan’s unpredictable retail landscape, Ibrahim breaks down the real story behind Daari Mooch’s rise.


What We Discuss:

  • How Daari Mooch began and what clicked with customers
  • Pakistan’s shift from old-school barbers to modern salons
  • Why salons rarely grow beyond one branch
  • Daari Mooch’s approach to online vs offline expansion
  • The opportunity in Tier-2 markets
  • Ibrahim’s long-term take on Pakistan’s direction


A grounded, inside look at how a local brand can grow in Pakistan, and what it actually takes to survive, adapt, and scale here.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Ibrahim's LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/ibrahimshaukat/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 39 minutes 52 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Gingko Retail Power $350 MILLION Ecommerce Orders Every Year Ft. Obaid Arshad | 486 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we speak with Obaid Arshad, Founder & CEO of Gingko Retail, Pakistan’s biggest ecommerce operating platform and the largest order aggregator in the country.


We Explore:

  • Less than 1% of Pakistan’s commerce has moved online
  • How Gingko Retail became Pakistan’s largest ecommerce enabler
  • 214+ merchants using the platform
  • IPO plans for the future
  • Why Pakistanis needs global exposure
  • And why Pakistan might become unliveable in 25 years due to climate risk


This episode is a deep-dive into Pakistan’s ecommerce backbone, the systems behind scaling retail digitally, and what the future of this industry looks like.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Obaid's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/obaid-arshad/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 51 minutes 11 seconds

Thought Behind Things
The West Sold Us a Lie — Pakistan Is the Real Opportunity | Ft. Asfandyar Waraich | 485 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with a rapidly growing digital creator to unpack his journey from childhood struggles and losing his father at a young age to building a full-time career in online content creation


From early exposure abroad to returning home, he explains why social media gave him more earning power than settling for a corporate job — and why algorithm understanding matters more than talent or luck.


In This Episode:

  • Moving abroad and choosing not to settle
  • Losing a parent in teenage years & emotional resilience
  • Why returning home created better income upside
  • The psychology behind going viral and platform discovery
  • Understanding algorithms, niches, and customer attention
  • TV celebrity fame vs social media creator fame
  • Why creators become stagnant & how to stay relevant
  • The late-night show gap and the future of entertainment
  • And how content, celebrity, and platforms evolve over the next 25 year

This episode is a first-hand look into a creator’s business model, understanding virality, creator economics, and how the entertainment industry is being reshaped by short-form platforms forever.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Asfandyar's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asfandyarbluetick/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid


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3 weeks ago
1 hour 52 minutes 50 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Software Finder Founders: We Get 250,000 Targeted Visitors A Month From SEO ALONE!! | 484 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Shane and Adnan, founders of Software Finder — a global marketplace for buying and selling software, like an OLX for software buyers.


With 350+ employees across 4 countries and more than 250,000 targeted monthly visitors, Software Finder has quietly become one of Pakistan’s most successful B2B platforms without hype, foreign celebrity founders, or Silicon Valley experience.


In This Episode:

  • The story of building Software Finder
  • Why couples building startups must sacrifice comfort
  • Decline of SEO traffic and the rise of AI search
  • Scaling 350+ employees and 250 digital marketers
  • The future of software marketplaces & enterprise SaaS buying
  • And what Pakistan needs to succeed in a post-AI world


This episode is a first-hand look into Pakistan’s fastest-growing SaaS marketplace, its digital marketing engine, and how AI is reshaping search, discovery, and software buying forever.

Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Shane's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-elahi-22a46835/

Adnan's LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/adnan-malik

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid



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4 weeks ago
1 hour 53 minutes 10 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Pakistan’s BIGGEST Startup Success Story: vyro.ai Ft. Ahmed Abubakar | 483 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Ahmed Abubakar, Founder of Imagine Art - a Pakistan-built GenAI creative suite used by millions worldwide and competing for #1–#2 positions in global design app charts, right next to Canva. Today, Imagine does $30M+ ARR, with a major portion of revenue coming from the US and international markets - proving that world-class AI products can be built from Pakistan.


We Explore:

  • Early life, education, and family sacrifices
  • Building Imagine and scaling GenAI to millions
  • Why Pakistani app & gaming industry is bigger than India’s
  • Monetization, profitability & $30M ARR
  • ESOPs, stock options & talent philosophy
  • Future of AI models, creativity, disruption & user context mapping
  • Moving to the US, global talent, and Pakistan’s role in 2050


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Ahmed's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahmed-abubakar-9482127b/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
2 hours 26 minutes 42 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Delivery Riders Are Barely Surviving!! Ft.Umer Munawar | 482 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Umer Munawar, Co-Founder of SmartLane, one of Pakistan’s fastest-growing logistics aggregation platforms.


Umer shares how he exited Finja and jumped straight into solving Pakistan’s most chaotic industry - e-commerce logistics. From integrating 31 courier companies, to processing thousands of parcels, to raising $2.3 million, this episode breaks down what really happens behind the scenes in Pakistan’s delivery ecosystem.


We discuss:

  • Why e-commerce is the easiest business today
  • Why logistics is brutally hard with razor-thin margins
  • How SmartLane aggregates every major courier
  • Why delivery riders earn so little
  • Why Pakistan’s logistic pricing is totally unrealistic
  • The future of debt funding, blockchain, & capital access
  • And what Pakistan could look like by 2050


A deep-dive into e-commerce, logistics, fintech, and the future of business in Pakistan.

Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Nayab's LinkedIn: pk.linkedin.com/in/umer-munawar-41a9a2125

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
1 hour 56 minutes 45 seconds

Thought Behind Things
ONLY People Using AI Will Survive!! Ft. Nayab Babar | 481 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Nayab Babar, Chief Investment Officer at the Pakistan Startup Fund, the man shaping how capital flows into Pakistan’s next generation of startups.


Nayab shares how Warcraft strategy games trained his problem-solving mindset, how his perspective on racism changed, and why he believes exposure not arguments fixes prejudice.


Nayab also explains why:

  • Pakistan & India have the same starting line in AI
  • You won’t be replaced by AI, but by people USING AI
  • Western media’s “free speech” narrative is deeply hypocritical
  • NICs are broken and need complete rebuilding
  • Brain drain isn’t always a bad thing


This is one of the most honest conversations on Pakistan’s tech reality, global competition, and the mindset shift needed for the next decade.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Nayab's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayab-babar-cfa/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid


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1 month ago
2 hours 15 minutes 27 seconds

Thought Behind Things
We Built Pakistan’s BIGGEST Donut Brand!! Ft. Rayyan Sohail | 480 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Rayyan, the entrepreneur behind one of Pakistan’s fastest-growing food brands - OD.


From a disciplined childhood in madrassah to running his father’s company at a young age, Rayyan’s journey is a mix of family pressure, resilience, and a deep desire to build something of his own. He shares how he transformed a family business, shifted from textiles to food, burned through cash in restaurants, sold his company, and then partnered with the same buyers to build OD into a national franchise.


We explore:

  • Growing up as the first-born
  • Cash flow, failures & the reality of the restaurant business
  • Scaling OD, acquiring it back & running a franchise-only model
  • Location strategy, operations, and how to build a food business that lasts
  • The future of Pakistani brands and Pakistan in 2050


A deep dive into business, leadership, family pressure, and the journey of building modern Pakistani brands.

Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Rayyan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rayyansohail/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
2 hours 15 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Salesflo Founder: AI Will DESTROY Pakistan’s Freelancing Boom!! | 479 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Yasir Suleman Memon, Founder & CEO of Salesflo, one of Pakistan’s biggest enterprise SaaS companies, now used globally across multiple markets.


We explore:

  • Why second-tier Pakistani cities never developed
  • How AI is reversing Pakistan’s freelancing boom
  • Why Pakistani founders lack “IPO hunger”
  • Why startups MUST list publicly to retain talent
  • Why government will NOT fix anything and private enterprise must

Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠

Yasir's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yasirsmemon/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠⁠


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
2 hours 13 minutes 26 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Game Sports Founder: Pakistanis DON'T Care About Any Other Sport Except CRICKET!! | 478 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by the founder of Game Sports Management, one of Pakistan’s few companies trying to turn athletes into real commercial brands.


From managing Wasim Akram to building a full sports business, he shares the why Pakistan’s athletes never grow, why our sports ecosystem is broken, and how countries like India turned every sport into a billion-dollar industry while Pakistan stayed stuck.


We explore:

  • Why the 2008 crash pushed him into sports
  • How working with Wasim Akram changed everything
  • Why Pakistan has no real system for athlete branding
  • Why Indian stars become global icons but Pakistan’s don’t
  • How Pakistan’s sports industry can explode by 2050


A conversation on the future of sports, talent management, personal brand, and the business behind athletes.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠

Arsalan's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arsalanhydershah/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠⁠


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
1 hour 48 minutes 19 seconds

Thought Behind Things
ALETHIA AI Founder: We Made Muzamil’s AI Avatar & Asked WHO HE’D VOTE FOR!! | 477 | TBT

CHECK OUT MY AI AVATAR: https://muzamil.alethia.ai/


In this episode, we sit down with Arif Khan, Founder & CEO of ALETHIA AI, the global startup building real-time interactive AI agents, with a major part of the technology being developed in Pakistan.


We Explore:

  • Creating AI versions of real people
  • How Muzamil’s own AI avatar was trained
  • Using AI for education, government services, counselling, and digital access
  • What the post-AI world will look like
  • And why energy scarcity might become the biggest challenge of the AI boom


A deep, honest, and mind-bending conversation about AI, identity, misuse, and the future of knowledge.


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/⁠

TBT’s TikTok:⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil⁠

TBT’s Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings⁠

TBT Clips: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠

Arif's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arikhan/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan⁠


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
1 hour 56 minutes 8 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Ziyad Parekh: We Process As Many Transactions As HBL!! | 476 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Ziyad Parekh, Co-Founder & CEO of Safepay, one of Pakistan’s most exciting fintech startups and a Y-Combinator backed startup.


Ziyad shares how he went from Karachi to New York and why he left everything to return home and build Pakistan’s version of Stripe. We uncover how Safepay survived being taken to zero overnight, how they rebuilt with grit, and why they now process volumes comparable to giants like HBL.


We Explore:

  • VISA/Mastercard charging Rs. 30 per transaction
  • Getting Investment From Stripe
  • Karachi's Poor infrastructure
  • How RAAST might change everything
  • And what the future of digital payments will look like


Socials:

TBT’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/

TBT’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamil

TBT’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthings

TBT Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips

Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/

Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/

Ziyad's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ziyad-parekh/

Endeavor's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/endeavor-pakistan


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: https://kickstart.pk/


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
2 hours 20 minutes 6 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Khazanay Founder: Reimagining Landa Bazaar For Gen Z | 475 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we sit down with Usman Saleem, Co-Founder & CEO of Khazanay, Pakistan’s biggest used sneaker and thrift brand.


Usman shares his journey from losing his father at an early age, working graphic design jobs for just ₨8,000 a month, to building one of Pakistan’s most disruptive retail startups.


We talk about:

  • How Khazanay sold its first pair of shoes
  • Meeting Sam Altman at Y Combinator
  • How they refurbish branded sneakers
  • Tapping into leftover clothing
  • Khazanay’s scale & Growth
  • Long-term growth, Islamic finance, and Pakistan’s 2050 outlook


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Usman's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mhdusmansaleem/


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
1 hour 28 minutes 23 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Manto Founder: We’re Building Pakistan’s FIRST Mass Premium Fashion Brand!! | 474 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Salman Parekh, Founder of Manto, Pakistan’s most distinct fashion brand redefining local identity through design, storytelling, and craftsmanship. From launching limited hand-drawn collections to sustaining a premium yet local brand in a low-growth economy.


We explore:

  • How Manto built its own supply chain & scaled sustainably
  • Why Pakistani fashion is stuck in a cash cycle
  • The real cost of building exclusivity & identity
  • Why Manto avoids mass production to stay premium
  • What the fashion scene could look like by 2050


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Salman's LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/maansals/⁠


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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1 month ago
2 hours 9 minutes 40 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Maha Shahzad: I Built a PROFITABLE Startup Without a DEGREE!! | 473 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Maha Shahzad, the founder & CEO of Buscaro — Pakistan’s first tech-enabled bus-sharing startup that’s making everyday commuting safer, smarter, and more affordable for thousands of Pakistanis.


From doing odd jobs to fund her education, to building a profitable transport startup without a degree, Maha’s story is pure resilience. She shares how her experiences at Careem, Foodpanda, and SWVL shaped her understanding of Pakistan’s mobility problems — and how a confusing global model inspired her to build something truly local.


We Explore:

  • How SWVL’s confusing model failed to connect with Pakistani commuters
  • The story behind Buscaro and how it was born during the downturn
  • How she raised her first investor cheque and built a profitable startup
  • Buscaro’s 6.5 million-dollars annual revenue and 70-member team
  • How the platform ensures safety for women & school children


Maha also opens up about investor trust after 2022, navigating bias as a young female founder, and her long-term vision for Pakistan’s urban mobility.


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Maha's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maha-shahzad-88878b220/⁠


Special thanks to Daftarkhwan for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.daftarkhwan.com/⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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2 months ago
1 hour 38 minutes 47 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Pakistan’s Entertainment Powerhouse: ARY's Journey to 66 Billion Views Ft. Jerjees Seja | 472 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Jerjees Seja, CEO of ARY Digital Network, one of Pakistan’s most iconic media leaders. From shaping the country’s TV and drama landscape to building ARY into a powerhouse of entertainment, Jerjees shares his journey of transforming Pakistan’s media industry.


We discuss:

  • How Pakistan’s private TV revolution began
  • The economics behind news, dramas, and entertainment Production
  • Why premium Pakistani content is now free on YouTube
  • Why global giants like Netflix don’t invest in Pakistan
  • The future of OTT and local streaming platforms
  • Why filmmaking still isn’t profitable here
  • The evolving audience behavior and the road to 2050


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Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Jerjees's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerjeesseja/


Special thanks to Daftarkhwan for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠https://www.daftarkhwan.com/⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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2 months ago
1 hour 58 minutes 59 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Arif Lakhani: You Can Buy ANYTHING On Installments In Pakistan!! | 471 | TBT

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Arif Lakhani, Co-Founder of QistBazaar, Pakistan’s fastest-growing fintech platform making anything, from bikes to fridges, available on easy installments.


We explore:

  • How QistBazaar gives access to credit without traditional banking
  • Why 90% of startup funding never enters Pakistan’s economy
  • Are easy installments driving consumerism and debt?
  • The rise of Pakistan’s emerging middle class and fintech revolution
  • IPO dreams, PSX’s broken perception, and what real innovation looks like

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Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Arif's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariflakhani


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: https://kickstart.pk/


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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2 months ago
1 hour 45 minutes 36 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Myco Founder: 30M Registered Users Across the Globe!! | 470 | TBT

Find out more about Endeavor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://pakistan.endeavor.org⁠⁠

In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Umair Masoom Usmani, the Founder of Myco, a rapidly growing OTT and creator-monetization platform redefining how people consume, fund, and earn from content across emerging markets.


After leaving Dubai’s corporate comfort, Umair built one of Pakistan’s fastest-scaling digital ventures with 30M+ registered users, exclusive Premier League streaming rights, and operations across Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Egypt.


We explore:

  • Why Umair left “too-good-to-be-true” job in Dubai to start Myco
  • How the global media system is broken and what Myco is fixing
  • The $25 million raised in equity & debt funding
  • Why creators don’t make money and how Myco plans to change that
  • The future of sports, digital content, and monetization in Pakistan


Socials:

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TBT Clips: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tbtpodcastclips⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Umair's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/umair-masoom-usmani-b12ab025/


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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2 months ago
1 hour 59 minutes 25 seconds

Thought Behind Things
Scents N Stories CEO: We Have 40+ OUTLETS Across PAKISTAN! | 469 | TBT

Find out more about Endeavor: ⁠⁠⁠https://pakistan.endeavor.org⁠⁠


In this episode of Thought Behind Things, we’re joined by Saad Saeed, the Founder & CEO of Scents N Stories, Pakistan’s leading fragrance brand with over 40 outlets, 300+ employees, and one of the top 5 players in the country’s perfume market.


From starting with men’s grooming products to building a nationwide perfume empire, Saad shares the story of how Scents N Stories grew from a small e-commerce experiment into Pakistan’s most recognizable fragrance brand.


We explore:

  • Moving from beard grooming to online perfume sales
  • Building 40+ outlets across Pakistan using e-commerce data
  • Why Pakistan’s perfume market is more advanced than Indonesia & Bangladesh
  • Local manufacturing vs import, and how they keep costs low
  • Why luxury perfumes cost 30x more than theirs


Socials:

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Muzamil's Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Muzamil's LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Saad's LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/msaadafridi/


Special thanks to Kickstart for providing us with the studio space.

You can find out more about them at: ⁠⁠⁠https://kickstart.pk/⁠⁠⁠


Credits:

Executive Producer: Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi

Associate Producer: Saad Shehryar

Publisher: Talha Shaikh

Editor: Jawad Sajid

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2 months ago
2 hours 6 minutes 57 seconds

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