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Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Meghan DeFord
72 episodes
3 days ago
Ever ask someone what they do and end up in a surprisingly fascinating conversation? Think of this podcast as a cocktail party, minus the small talk and bad appetizers. Wait - What Do You Do Again? explores career pivots, passion projects, and the unexpected twists that shape people’s lives. From creatives to CEOs, scientists to storytellers, we dig into what they actually do and what they’ve learned. If you like learning something new just for the heck of it, subscribe and join in the conversation! More at www.megdeford.com.
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Ever ask someone what they do and end up in a surprisingly fascinating conversation? Think of this podcast as a cocktail party, minus the small talk and bad appetizers. Wait - What Do You Do Again? explores career pivots, passion projects, and the unexpected twists that shape people’s lives. From creatives to CEOs, scientists to storytellers, we dig into what they actually do and what they’ve learned. If you like learning something new just for the heck of it, subscribe and join in the conversation! More at www.megdeford.com.
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Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Modern Etiquette Is Actually About Connection with Jacqueline Whitmore

In this episode, we meet Jacqueline Whitmore, president of The Protocol School of Palm Beach and internationally recognized etiquette expert, to talk about what etiquette actually is and why it matters more than ever at work, online, and in everyday life.Jacqueline shares how she accidentally found her way into the world of etiquette and protocol (starting at The Breakers in Palm Beach), what executive presence really means today, and why “professionalism” is so much more than appearance. We unpack the real gaps she sees in modern communication, from email etiquette and networking etiquette to the soft skills Gen Z is being asked to master in a post-COVID world.You’ll hear practical tips for:-Building trust quickly through listening skills and curiosity-Remembering names (even if you’re “bad at names”)-Setting boundaries with grace when you’re reachable 24/7-Navigating rude people without losing your peace-Showing up with confidence in global and cross-cultural settingsAt the heart of this conversation is a simple message: etiquette is the art of knowing how to treat other people and kindness is always in style.Connect with Jacqueline at https://etiquetteexpert.com/

Catch her on episode 7 of the Netflix Show, Members Only: https://www.netflix.com/title/81915922


Say hi to Meghan at www.megdeford.com


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3 days ago
1 hour 3 minutes 6 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Drink What You Like: A No-Snob Holiday Wine Guide with Nick The Wine Guy

In this episode of Wait — What Do You Do Again?, I’m joined by my yap partner, Matt Jones, and returning guest Nick “the Wine Guy” Elliot, a certified sommelier and chef who makes wine feel approachable, inclusive, and fun.

We talk about how to think through choosing wine for holiday dinners and parties, what to bring as a host gift (and what to say when you hand it over), and easy wine pairings for rich, comfort-food menus. Nick also shares practical tips for building a crowd-pleasing wine table, navigating boxed and screw-top wines without judgment, and offering thoughtful non-alcoholic options so everyone feels included.

Whether I’m hosting for the holidays, an intimate dinner, or just trying not to buy based on a pretty label in the wine aisle, this conversation will help you feel more confident and more relaxed heading into the season. If you’re looking for holiday hosting tips, wine pairing guidance, and a no-snob approach to entertaining, this episode is for you.

For Nick's Wine Tours, Tastings, and Podcast visit: https://www.thewineguy.vin/

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3 weeks ago
46 minutes 10 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Party Like a Pro: Holiday Hosting Tips with Paige Netting-Lentini

Planning to host this holiday season… but suddenly realizing your Pinterest board, your budget, and your square footage are not on speaking terms?

This week, Meghan sits down with event planner and designer Paige Netting-Lentini from In Good Co Events to unwrap what holiday hosting actually looks like when you want it to feel warm, intentional, and beautifully doable (not stressful or Instagram-performative).

Inside the episode, you’ll learn:

• How to kick off your holiday planning with clarity (budget + intention = magic)• High-impact, low-cost décor tricks that instantly elevate a space• Small-space hosting ideas that make your home feel welcoming, not cramped• Holiday food + menu trends, from late-night nibbles to festive mocktails• Why the heart of hosting is connection — not comparison

Whether you’re throwing your first holiday dinner, hosting a festive open house, or just want your gatherings to feel a little more you, this episode will help you create a celebration that’s warm, joyful, and merry in all the right ways.


You can contact Paige & In Good Co at: https://www.ingoodco.events/

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1 month ago
48 minutes 39 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Only 45% Screwed: The Real Work of a Growth Mindset

In this cross-over episode of Scrambled Eggs with Richard and Meghan, Meghan and Richard crack open one of the most misunderstood parts of personal and professional growth: mindset. Through job transitions, career reinvention, and the everyday moments where everything takes “a lot longer than I thought,” they explore how mindset shapes the way we move through change.

Together, they dig into why small wins matter, how to break big goals into manageable steps, and the difference between emotional versatility and toxic positivity. From navigating layoffs to training for long-distance races, this episode offers listeners real-life coaching and practical tools to stay grounded, build confidence, and take the next right step when life gets scrambled.

Perfect for anyone navigating a transition, rebuilding their confidence, or looking for thoughtful (and actually usable) coaching insights without the fluff.


You can find Richard at: https://www.richardtaliaferro.com/about-me

You can find Meghan at: https://www.megdeford.com/

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1 month ago
54 minutes 40 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
If Willy Wonka Used to Be an Engineer: Lessons in Growth and Gourmet Chocolate with the Krichbaums

What happens when an engineer trades blueprints for bonbons? In this episode, we meet Brian Krichbaum, co-owner of Gilbert Chocolates, a beloved Michigan chocolate company that’s been delighting customers for more than 125 years.

After decades in corporate operations, Brian took a leap from consulting to entrepreneurship, buying a century-old gourmet chocolate business seven weeks before Christmas. Since then, he and his wife Sally have tripled the company’s customer base, expanded e-commerce, and preserved the heart of a community icon.

We talk about what it really takes to turn a legacy brand into a thriving modern business: the courage to start small, the power of perseverance, and how optimism, adaptability, and a love of quality craftsmanship can turn even the toughest season into something sweet.

If you’ve ever dreamed of starting your own business, working with your partner, or finding joy in reinvention, this one’s for you.

To learn more and pick up a few sweet treats for yourself, visit: https://www.gilbertchocolates.com/


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1 month ago
57 minutes 2 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Ditch Your Shit: The Psychology of Clutter with Kate Evans

What if your messy kitchen or overflowing closet isn’t really about the stuff?

In this episode of Wait — What Do You Do Again?, we talk with psychologist, coach, and author Kate Evans, founder of Soulful Space and author of Ditch Your Shit: Decluttering Your Mindset to Declutter Your Home. Kate shares how clutter often reflects deeper emotions like shame, fear, and perfectionism—and why lasting change starts on the inside.

Together, we unpack:

  • The psychology behind clutter and why organizing doesn’t work until you address the why

  • How shame and perfectionism keep us stuck in cycles of overwhelm

  • Why caring for your home is one of the most powerful forms of self-care

  • Simple, sustainable routines to replace chaos with calm

If you’ve ever thought, “I’m just not organized,” this conversation will help you rewrite that story and maybe even find peace in your own kitchen sink.

Listen now to learn how decluttering your space can help you reclaim your energy, your mindset, and your sense of self.


You can find Kate at: https://www.soulfulspacecoaching.com/

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2 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes 26 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
The Salem Witch Trials to TikTok Devils: Why We’re Still Haunted by Witchcraft with Dr. Mikki Brock

This week on Wait — What Do You Do Again? we close out Spooky Season with historian Dr. Mikki Brock, whose research explores the supernatural and religious beliefs and identities in early modern Scotland and speaks widely on topics including demonology, witchcraft, and British history.

From witch hunts and the rise of groupthink to the cultural obsession with “unnatural women,” Dr. Brock unpacks how these patterns echo through history and still shape our world today.

It’s a smart, unnerving, and deeply human conversation about what beliefs reveal about fear, power, and control, who we blame, and the invisible forces still shaping us.

You can learn more about Dr. Brock's work and her books at https://www.mdbrock.com/


🎙️ Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share :)

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2 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes 41 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Anthropology of the Supernatural: Dr. Cailin Murray on Ghosts, Sasquatch, and Stories That Haunt Us

This week on Wait — What Do You Do Again?, we meet Dr. Cailin Murray, anthropologist and professor at Ball State University, whose research explores Native American folklore, haunted landscapes, and the anthropology of the supernatural.

From Sasquatch sightings in the Pacific Northwest to Native ghost stories and haunted burial grounds, Dr. Murray unpacks how tales of spirits and monsters reveal America’s haunted history of colonization, loss, and persistence. We also dig into how pop culture, especially The Twilight Saga, has distorted and commercialized Indigenous stories, and how the real Quileute Nation has reclaimed its voice in powerful ways.

Dr. Murray shares her own haunting experiences, the surprising connection between Karl Marx and ghosts, and why she believes the line between the living and the dead is thinner than we think.

If you love Halloween, folklore, Indigenous studies, or stories that blur the line between fact and faith, this episode will linger long after you turn off the lights.


🎧 Listen, subscribe, and leave a review — it helps others find the show!


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2 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes 8 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
The Dark Heart of Ordinary Life: Shirley Jackson, Gothic Literature & Why We Love to Be Scared with Dr. Bernice Murphy

This week on Wait — What Do You Do Again?, we meet Dr. Bernice Murphy, Professor of Popular Literature at Trinity College Dublin and one of the world’s leading experts on Gothic and horror fiction. From Shirley Jackson’s chilling works (including The Lottery, which is still haunting Meghan 30 years after she first read it), to the haunted houses and haunted hearts of the modern Gothic, Dr. Murphy unpacks why these unsettling tales endure and what they reveal about us.

Murphy explores Jackson’s wit, feminism, and deep insight into community and conformity, the reaction The Lottery garnered, and how horror helps us process real-world fears, from postwar trauma to social media “stonings.” The conversation spans Stephen King, suburban Gothic, cancel culture, and why being scared might actually be good for us.

If you love spooky season, literary history, or just want to understand why we can’t look away from the macabre, this episode is for you.

You can purchase Dr. Murphy's books here and follow her on Bluesky.

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2 months ago
1 hour 11 minutes 31 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
The Genius Behind Thriller: Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, and Soundtrack of American Culture with Dr. Imani Cheers

Dr. Imani Cheers, commentator, cultural curator, and professor at The George Washington University, explores why Thriller remains a timeless cultural touchstone more than 40 years later. From Quincy Jones’ genius as a boundary-breaking producer to Michael Jackson’s creative evolution, Dr. Cheers unpacks how collaboration and storytelling can transcend genre, race, and time.

Our conversation widens to today’s media landscape: what it means to be media literate, how algorithms shape our worldview, and why community and optimism are acts of resistance. Dr. Cheers also shares her global upbringing, lessons from her father’s work with Ebony and Jet, and her upcoming books Framing Fatherhood and Sacred Sisterhoods. You can learn more about and purchase her books here.

If you love music, culture, or smart storytelling, this one’s for you.

You can follow Dr. Cheers at https://www.thecheersreport.com/

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3 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes 8 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Ghosts, Blues, and the Myths of Mississippi with Shannon Evans

What do haunted houses, hidden cemeteries, and the rich blues history of Mississippi have in common? Storyteller and historian Shannon Evans is here to tell us. As the creator of the hit podcast Tombigbee Tales, Shannon blends deep historical research, oral tradition, and a flair for the supernatural to uncover the myths, scandals, and forgotten figures of the American South. In this episode, she shares the story behind her podcast's name, her work cataloging Black cemeteries across Mississippi, and the ways folklore, ghosts, and even cryptids reflect the South’s complicated past. From antebellum mansions to juke joints, from ghost hunts to courthouse scandals, Shannon reminds us that history is never just black and white; it’s living, layered, and often stranger than fiction.


You can hear more from Shannon at: https://tombigbeetales.com/

Her books, Wisteria Place: A House of History and Haunting and Riverview: A Monument to Greek Revival Architecture, will be available starting November 1st through Amazon and Barnes & Noble online

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3 months ago
1 hour 26 minutes 4 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Homelessness, Hope, and Second Chances with Good Samaritan Home’s John David Graham

In this episode, we meet John David Graham, author of Running As Fast As I Can and founder of Good Samaritan Home, a nonprofit that has provided housing and mentorship to more than 2,500 men and women rebuilding their lives after prison or homelessness. John shares how losing his job as a minister became the catalyst for creating a community of 21 homes dedicated to second chances.

From the simple act of making your bed to overcoming recidivism, John reflects on leadership, faith in action, and why compassion and accountability can change lives. This powerful conversation explores the realities of reentry, homelessness, and the importance of community in helping people start again.

You can learn more about John, Good Samaritan Home and his book at: https://johndavidgraham.com/

Full video available on YouTube

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3 months ago
59 minutes 29 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
The Male Escort Redefining Connection: A Conversation with George Goulburn

What happens when a 30-year corporate veteran pivots at age 51 to become a professional male escort? Meet Australian companion George Goulburn, who left his corporate career to provide intimacy, companionship, and empowerment for women aged 30 to 80.

George shares how he navigates stigma, boundaries, and safety in his work, why so many women struggle to ask for what they want in intimacy, and what he’s learned about communication, confidence, and connection along the way. Whether it’s holding someone’s hand for the first time in over a decade or sharing a trip abroad, George offers his insight about connection, empowerment, and our universal need for touch.

If you’ve ever wondered how women can feel safer and more confident in expressing their desires, or what it really means to create authentic connection, this episode is for you. Sex is acknowledged and discussed in this conversation, please use discernment or headphones when listening.

You can find George at: https://www.georgegoulburn.com/

Watch on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/@megdefordyoutube/playlists

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3 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 4 seconds

Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
Eating Disorders, Trauma, and Body Image: A Path Toward Healing and Gratitude with Janelle Coolidge

Eating disorders are the second most deadly mental health condition after opioid addiction, yet so often, disordered eating is hidden in plain sight, even praised in our culture. In this powerful episode, therapist Janelle Coolidge joins to unpack the difference between eating disorders and disordered eating, how trauma and chronic illness shape our relationship with our bodies, and why no single body type defines health.

Janelle shares practical ways to recognize the signs, how to talk with loved ones who may be struggling, and why body gratitude and self-compassion are essential tools for healing. Together, we explore diet culture, social media’s influence, and the everyday comments we make that can unintentionally do harm.

If you’ve ever wondered what an eating disorder is, how disordered eating shows up in everyday life, or how to support yourself or someone you love, this conversation offers insight, clarity, and hope.


What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • The difference between eating disorders and disordered eating

  • Why eating disorders affect people of every size, race, and background

  • How trauma and chronic illness intersect with body image

  • Practical signs to watch for and how to respond with care

  • The role of diet culture, “clean eating,” and social media in shaping our views

    • Tools for body gratitude and self-care, clarity, and hope.


    To learn more about Janelle, you can follow her on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/coolskiescounseling/ or visit her website at: coolskiescounseling.com

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    4 months ago
    56 minutes 47 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    Yapping with Matt & Meg: Strong Island Iced Teas and Britney Spears

    Matt returns for a meandering conversation about dating, including a recent dalliance with a colorful fellow, maintaining friendships as we age (and as the single person of the group), Matt tries to sing his way out of the male loneliness crisis, and some Britney Spears. This episode is equal parts laughter, real talk, and reminders that friendship and connection evolve right alongside us.


    Catch the unedited version on YouTube

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    4 months ago
    1 hour 7 minutes 41 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    That Pinson Girl: Family Myth, Mississippi, and Historical Fiction with Gerry Wilson

    At 82, author Gerry Wilson became a first-time novelist. Her debut historical novel, That Pinson Girl, set in World War I-era Mississippi, draws from family stories, myth, and the complicated legacy of the South. In this conversation, Gerry shares what it means to pursue creativity “late” in life, how historical fiction helps us understand the present, and the resilience it takes to keep writing through rejection. We talk about her grandmother’s influence, the realities of race and culture in Mississippi, and how artifacts like a century-old ledger and wartime letters inspired her characters. This is a conversation about persistence, place, and the power of stories to bridge generations.

    You can learn more about Gerry at: https://gerrygwilson.com/


    Regal House Publishing: https://regal-house-publishing.mybigcommerce.com/that-pinson-girl/

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    4 months ago
    57 minutes 14 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    Live In The Maybe - Bigfoot and Wonder with Kev LeStarge

    Is Bigfoot real? And what does our fascination with the unknown say about us? In this episode, we meet Kev LeStarge, Bigfoot enthusiast and author of Billy Finds Bigfoot, a charming children’s book that explores curiosity, nature, and unexpected friendship. Kev shares wild stories from his expeditions, talks about the science behind Sasquatch sightings, and opens up about how his love for Bigfoot deepened his respect for the natural world. We also dive into why wonder and imagination still matter in an age of certainty and how “leaning into the maybe” can change the way we see the world.

    Whether you’re a skeptic or already part of the Woo Crew, this episode will stretch your imagination and ground you at the same time.


    You can find Kev at: https://www.etsy.com/shop/ZeroOneInfinity?ref=shop_sugg_market

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pineshadowdesign/

    Book: https://hangar1publishing.com/blogs/writers/kev-lestarge

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    4 months ago
    1 hour 8 minutes 24 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    How to See the World Through A Historic Lens with Jackie Lapin

    Step into history with Jackie Lapin, world traveler, award-winning author, and founder of The Historic Traveler. Jackie has explored over 500 historic locations across 50 countries, capturing them through stunning photography and pairing each destination with historic novels, mysteries, and biographies that make you feel like you’ve actually lived there.

    In this episode, Jackie shares her fascinating journey from breaking barriers as one of the first female sportswriters to running a top-tier PR agency, to following her true passion for history and travel. You’ll discover:


    • How reading the right book can transform your travel experience
    • Hidden historic gems you’ve probably never heard of, from Cesky Krumlov to Annecy
    • Solo travel tips that make every trip richer and safer
    • Why the smallest details — a doorknob, a weather vane, a child at play — tell the biggest stories


    Whether you’re a history buff, a book lover, or simply looking for travel inspiration, this conversation will spark your wanderlust and give you tools to see the world in a whole new way.

    🎧 Listen now and start planning your next journey through time.


    To access The Historic Traveler’s free resources, including the world’s largest directory of historic novels and history books by location, visit: https://thehistorictraveler.com/

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    5 months ago
    52 minutes 36 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    Kismet: How Liverpool Made the Beatles with David Bedford

    Beatles historian and author David Bedford didn’t just grow up near a Beatles landmark, he lived in their story. Born in Liverpool, David attended Ringo Starr’s school, lived off Penny Lane, and sent his kids to the same school as John Lennon and George Harrison.


    In this episode, David shares how Liverpool’s unique history, culture, and post-war quirks created the perfect storm for The Beatles to form, and why it could only have happened there. We also dive into little-known Beatles influences, the pivotal role of Hamburg, and the surprising ‘what if’ moment that launched David’s career. If you think you know The Beatles’ origin story, think again.

    You can learn more about Dave and his work at: https://davidabedford.com/

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    5 months ago
    1 hour 25 minutes 31 seconds

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    The Incredible Story of Cyclist Marshall Major Taylor With Author John Kennedy Howard

    Before LeBron, before Serena, before Tiger… there was Major Taylor.


    In this episode, we meet author, historian, and Hall of Fame cyclist John Kennedy Howard, who wrote The Black Cyclone: A Hero The World Forgot, about Marshall “Major” Taylor. Major Taylor was the world’s first African American sports superstar and the fastest cyclist of the early 1900s. We dive into Taylor’s groundbreaking career, his unwavering faith, his battles with racism in the U.S., and his fame abroad in Europe and Australia.

    John shares insights from his book and offers incredible behind-the-scenes stories from interviews with Major Taylor’s daughter, as well as reflections on Taylor’s legacy, innovation, and his remarkable ability to remain composed under pressure.

    If you're a sports fan, history buff, or lover of untold stories, this one’s for you.


    Learn more at /https://majortaylorstory.com/

    Get the book: The Black Cyclone

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    5 months ago
    1 hour 4 minutes 1 second

    Wait - What Do You Do Again? | Careers, Life, and the Surprising Paths We Take
    Ever ask someone what they do and end up in a surprisingly fascinating conversation? Think of this podcast as a cocktail party, minus the small talk and bad appetizers. Wait - What Do You Do Again? explores career pivots, passion projects, and the unexpected twists that shape people’s lives. From creatives to CEOs, scientists to storytellers, we dig into what they actually do and what they’ve learned. If you like learning something new just for the heck of it, subscribe and join in the conversation! More at www.megdeford.com.