Zach talks with Jen Berrent, former WeWork executive and founder of Covenant, an AI-first law firm reimagining how deals get done. They dive deep into what it means to build a law firm from the ground up around artificial intelligence — not as a tool, but as the foundation. Jen shares her perspective on why too much work still runs through Big Law, how AI is transforming the middle tier of legal work, and what it takes to balance human expertise with machine efficiency. In this episode: What an “AI-first” law firm actually looks like How Covenant is redesigning legal workflows from scratch The problem with Big Law’s “too much work, too few alternatives” model Why reading comprehension is AI’s legal superpower Building client trust in the age of automation How AI can accelerate deals — without sacrificing rigor The difference between a “relationship ramp” and a “SaaS snowball” The challenges (and advantages) of raising funding in legal AI Lessons from Robin AI’s struggles — and why clarity of business model matters Why this is a once-in-a-generation moment for lawyers who want to innovate Learn More:Zach – legallydisrupted.comJen – https://covenant.co/about Follow Along:Zach – linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitzJen – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferberrent

Zach sits down with Harvey cofounder Gabe Pereyra to talk about what changed after “Attention Is All You Need,” why partners - not juniors - are driving Harvey’s adoption, and how AI is teaching law firms to learn faster than ever.     In this episode: The origin story of Harvey and how it became the “Dallas Cowboys of Legal Tech” Lessons from the early days of AI at Google Brain and DeepMind Why the real opportunity isn’t automation — it’s amplification How top law firms are already using AI for high-level strategic work The emerging hybrid model of AI + human legal reasoning Why firm size and structure could shift dramatically in the next decade Rethinking ROI: morale, retention, and client trust as key performance drivers How Harvey is helping firms pitch, collaborate, and win new business The future of AI-first law firms — from pricing models to client partnerships Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Gabe - https://www.harvey.ai/blog/author/gabe-pereyra   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Gabe - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabepereyra

Zach and Richard delve into the recent challenges faced by Robin AI, a pioneering legal tech company that has laid off staff and is seeking a buyer due to disappointing growth. They explore the significance of this news within the broader AI and legal tech industry, discussing whether Robin AI's struggles signal larger issues in the AI market.   In this episode: Robin AI's Struggles  Personal Connections and Reflections  Speculations and Broader Implications  Comparing AI Legal Tech Companies  Legal Experts in Tech Companies Investment in AI-Driven Legal Services The Importance of Expertise with AI Legal Innovators London Event Preview The Future of AI in Law Firms   Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya

In Episode 30 of 'Legally Disrupted,' Zach engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Catherine Kemnitz, Axiom's Chief Strategy Officer. They address a LinkedIn debate on how AI will disrupt both Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) and Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs). Katherine offers insights from her extensive legal industry experience, including her tenure at Axiom and Thomson Reuters, highlighting major transactions and strategic pivots influenced by technological advancements.    In this episode: Catherine Kemnitz's Career Journey  Axiom's Strategic Moves and Innovations  The Impact of AI on Legal Services  Generative AI and Legal Tech Evolution AI Adoption in Legal Departments vs. Law Firms  Axiom's Approach to AI and Future Outlook  Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Catherine - https://www.axiomlaw.com/about-us/our-team   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Catherine - https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinekemnitz

Zach sits down with Centari founder Kevin Walker to unpack the opportunities and obstacles of selling AI to law firms when it isn’t a generalized assistant like ChatGPT or Harvey. Kevin makes the case for why tackling highly specialized problems, such as Deal Intelligence, delivers unique, lasting value to firms.   In this episode: Understanding Centari's Vision  Unique Market Insights and Adoption Challenges and Opportunities in Legal Tech  Building Trust with Law Firms  Future of Legal Practices Fried Frank Partnership  Navigating Market Noise First Principles and Differentiation AI Adoption in Law Firms Reddit Thread Controversy  Building a Strong Company Culture   Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Kevin - https://www.centari.com/about-us   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Kevn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kpwalker1, https://x.com/_kevinwalker?lang=en

Zach and Richard break down AI-first legal services, ALSPs, and the EUDIA announcement. Asking who really owns legal AI, whether ROI even matters, and how these new firms might rewrite the rules of the industry.   In this episode: Non-Lawyer Ownership of Law Firms  AI in Transactional Work  The Business Model of AI-First Law Firms Measurable ROI in Legal Tech The IKEA Catalog Scenario  AI-First Firms vs. Incumbents Market Saturation and Future Predictions References: https://www.artificiallawyer.com/2025/09/03/eudia-opens-ai-augmented-law-firm-for-ma/   Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya

In this episode of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz introduces a new recurring segment called 'Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure' with Richard Tromans from Artificial Lawyer. They discuss the rapid evolution in the legal tech sphere, particularly focusing on big deals and announcements from legal AI companies like Harvey and Lagora. The duo debates the impact of generative AI productivity platforms on the legal market, the notion of a 'land grab' as firms race to adopt AI, and the potential for AI to become universally adopted in legal workflows. They also touch on the pricing dynamics of legal tech and the challenges faced by legacy companies in incorporating AI.   In this episode: Summer Surge in Legal AI Deals  Generative AI Platforms for Lawyers Market Share and Productivity Tools Global Legal Market and Pricing Strategies Emerging Competitors and Market Dynamics  The Battle for Legal AI Dominance The Future of Legal Tech Giants: Mergers and Acquisitions  The Role of Investors in Legal Tech  The Importance of Specialization in Legal Tech  The Future of AI in Legal Tech: Assistants vs. Automators Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya

In episode 26 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz brings us a live conversation from the Legal Innovators California Conference in San Francisco. The discussion features Chris Fisher of Myriad Ventures and Jonathan Levy of Y Combinator, two prominent investors in the legal tech space. They delve into the shifts in legal tech investments from the pre-ChatGPT era to the post-ChatGPT world, the impact of AI on legal services, and the emerging talent in the field. The investors also share insights on their investment strategies, the importance of domain expertise, and their vision for the future of legal tech.    In this episode: Investing in Legal Tech: Pre and Post ChatGPT The Talent Surge in Legal Tech AI's Impact on Legal Practices  Future of AI in Legal: Opportunities and Challenges  AI in Legal Apprenticeship AI as a Junior Associate Investment Strategies in Legal Tech   Specialized Legal Tech Solutions   VC Model and AI Startups   Evaluating Legal Tech Startups  Productizing Legal Services Learn More: Chris - https://www.myriadventures.com/profile/chris-fisher Jonathan - https://www.ycombinator.com/people Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Chris - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-fisher-111a9025 Jonathan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-levy-b98986b3 Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

E25 - Are Lawyers Adopting AI? With David Wong and Raghu Ramanathan   In episode 25 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz sits down with David Wong, Chief Product Officer at Thomson Reuters and Ragunath (Raghu) Ramanathan, President of Legal Professionals and Government at Thomson Reuters, to discuss the 2025 Future of Professionals Report. The conversation explores AI's increasing adoption and its impact on the legal industry.    In this episode: Discussing the Future of Professionals Report AI Adoption and Productivity Insights  Comparing In-House Legal Departments and Law Firms  AI Strategy and Leadership in Law Firms   Understanding the ROI in Law Firms   Time Savings and Efficiency Gains  Quality Improvements and Creative Benefits   Adoption Strategies in Small vs. Large Firms  Thomson Reuters' AI Strategy and Market Position Domain-Specific AI vs. General AI  References: 2025 Future of Professionals Report - https://www.thomsonreuters.com/content/dam/ewp-m/documents/thomsonreuters/en/pdf/reports/future-of-professionals-report-2025.pdf   Learn More: David - https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/about-us/executive-team Raghu - https://www.trust.org/people/ragunath-ramanathan/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: David - https://ca.linkedin.com/in/dfwong Raghu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/raghunathr Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

In this episode, Zach interviews Tara Waters, founder of TLW Consulting and former Chief Digital Officer at Ashurst, who led the firm’s rollout of Harvey. They discuss Harvey’s meteoric rise in legal AI, Tara’s firsthand experiences adopting Harvey within a global firm, and how legal teams evaluate AI tools. The conversation explores why lawyers initially gasped at Harvey’s capabilities, how expectations have matured, and what true digital transformation in law might require. Tara emphasizes that law firms should rethink their entire business model and workflows rather than just choosing a tool.   In this episode: Early Days of Harvey  Adoption and Impact of AI in Law Firms  Challenges and Realities of AI Integration  Future of AI in Legal Industry  Law Firm Transformation and AI  Links Mentioned in this episode:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEmiRjPEtQ https://www.legallydisrupted.com/p/has-harvey-already-won   Follow Tara: Website - https://www.tlw-consulting.com/ Content: https://www.innovationesq.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tlwaters/   Follow Zach: Website -https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Linkedin - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

In this episode, Zach Abramowitz is joined by Eli Amsellem, an investor at Ridge Ventures, to delve into the hot topic of investment in legal AI. They discuss the hype around billion-dollar valuations and the reality behind customer adoption and revenue sustainability. Eli shares insights from his hands-on approach, including talking to actual buyers and hosting GC therapy dinners. They debate the future of legal AI, whether horizontal AI assistants or vertical workflow automation will prevail, and examine companies like Harvey, Legora, New Code, OpenPolicy, and Legalmation. This episode offers a nuanced view on the challenges and opportunities in the legal AI space.   Discover: Deep Dive into Legal AI Adoption  The VC Perspective on Legal AI  Challenges and Opportunities in Legal AI  The Future of Legal AI and VC Investments  Case Studies and Market Dynamics  The Role of Innovation in Legal AI  Concluding Thoughts and Upcoming Events References:Conversation with Paid CEO Manny Medina - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa1TdS3dI4&t=318sLearn More: Eli - https://ridge.vc/eliyahou-amsellem/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Eli - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliyahou-amsellem-13aa2b164/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz, https://x.com/ZachAbramowitz, https://youtube.com/@legallydisrupted?si=MGT7nW96PdM4a2ZM  

In this episode, Zach delves into the evolution and impact of AI on contract management with Preston Clark and Electra Japonas.   In this episode: AI and Contracts: A Boring Use Case The Adoption Curve of AI in Legal  The Story of Law Insider  The Birth of One NDA  The Future of AI and Contracting  Legacy Product Overview  AI Capabilities and New SKU  User Growth and Market Excitement  Product Distribution and Democratization  Customer Focus and Data Utilization  CLM Market Insights and Future  Learn More: Electra - https://www.onenda.org/about Preston - https://www.lawinsider.com/resources/contributors/preston-clark Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Electra - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/electra-japonas Preston - https://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonjclark Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

This episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted features a conversation with lawyer and technologist Carolyn Elefant about whether legal specific tools and legacy software will be able to keep up with general applications like ChatGPT.   In this episode:  The Rapid Evolution of AI in Law The Future of AI in Legal Practice Exploring AI Tools for Lawyers Legal Research and AI Integration The Impact of AI on Legal Research The Future of Legaltech and AI   Learn More: Carolyn - https://lawofficesofcarolynelefant.com/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Carolyn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolynelefant/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

In this episode, Zach and Charlie delve into the rapid advancements in AI, particularly in the legal tech sector. The discussion transitions to the increasing caliber of entrepreneurs in legal tech and the acceleration of innovation in the field. They reflect on the evolution of legal AI from 2015 to 2023, noting the shift from mere ideas to full-blown products. The conversation also explores the potential for AI to reshape traditional legal processes, improve efficiency, and alter the way legal professionals approach their work, concluding with an optimistic outlook on the future of legal tech.   In this episode: The Rise of Legal Tech Entrepreneurs  AI's Impact on Legal Tech  Challenges and Opportunities in AI Adoption  The Evolution of Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) Applying Machine Learning in Legal Tech  Generative AI vs. Automation  AI as a Legal Assistant  Training Lawyers with AI  AI in eDiscovery  The Future of Legal Tech Learn More: Charlie - https://gravitystack.com/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Charlie - https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlieconnor Gravity Stack -  https://www.linkedin.com/company/gravity-stack-law-llc Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

In this episode, Zach speaks with Legora's head of strategic partnerships and community, Chris Williams, about the rebranding journey and the strategic role of Legora in the AI-driven legal tech landscape. The discussion covers the responsibilities of his role, the transition from selling no-code, low-code platforms to generative AI, and the significant shift in how AI is transforming legal practices. The episode also explores differences between Legora and other AI tools like Harvey, the challenges and opportunities in the market, and the future direction for legal professionals using AI. Tune in to learn about Legora's mission to build the world's first truly collaborative AI for lawyers, enhancing strategic business development while reducing non-billable work.    Discover: The Role and Responsibilities at Legora Transition from Selling Traditional Tech to AI  The Impact of Generative AI in Legal Tech Rebranding from Leya to Legora  Collaborative AI for Lawyers  Adoption of AI in Law Firms and In-House Teams  Comparing Legora and Harvey  The Future of Legal Work with AI  Connecting with Legora at Legal Week  Career Opportunities at Legora Learn More: Chris - Legora.com Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Chris - linkedin.com/in/chriswiiiiams/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Zach, Ken and Josh talk about the upcoming three day conference in Myrtle Beach focusing on AI, Cybersecurity and Data Governance. Attendees will have opportunities to interact with cutting-edge AI companies and products.The event features specific presentations, including those by startup community members, covering practical AI applications in fields like legal finance, pricing, collections, and timekeeping. Register - https://www.iltanet.org/live-events/evolve#speak   Follow Along: Josh Smith https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuadsmithcissp/ Ken Jones https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethejones/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz   Learn More: https://www.legallydisrupted.com/  

In this episode, Zach interviews Eleanor Lightbody, the CEO of Luminance, about her journey from working at Darktrace to leading Luminance, a legal tech company. Eleanor shares insights from her four years as CEO, highlighting the transformative impact of AI in the legal tech space. They discuss Luminance's growth strategy, the development of their contract lifecycle management tool, and the shift from M&A-specific uses to a broader, more inclusive approach. Eleanor also delves into how generative AI is changing user expectations and behaviors, and emphasizes the importance of balancing current customer needs with future innovations through a specialized 'blue sky thinking' team. Follow Luminance's developments on LinkedIn, their website, and at key industry conferences like Legal Week.  Eleanor's Background Journey at Darktrace  Transition to Luminance  Growth and Strategy at Luminance  Evolution of Luminance's Focus  Impact of Generative AI  Future Vision and Blue Sky Thinking  Learn More: Eleanor - https://www.luminance.com/team.html Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Eleanor - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eleanor-lightbody-69a6b784/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

In this engaging conversation, Ilona and Evan discuss their roles and experiences in leading innovation within their respective law firms, Cleary Gottlieb and Fisher Phillips. Ilona, the Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary, shares her journey from McKinsey to leading a transformation journey at Cleary. Evan, the Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Fisher Phillips, talks about his shift from labor and employment law into knowledge management and legal technology. The discussion covers their strategies for partnering with early-stage companies, the impact of generative AI on the legal industry, the importance of being thought leaders, and the challenges and opportunities of incorporating AI into legal practices. They also delve into the long-term benefits of working with startups, AI governance, and the future trajectory of AI in redefining the value proposition of the legal profession.    Topics discussed: IIona's Journey and Role at Cleary Evan's Career Path and Role at Fisher Phillips  The Impact of Generative AI on Legal Tech  Pre-Generative AI Adoption Strategies  Evaluating Startups and Early Partnerships  Risk Management and AI Governance  Learn More: Ilona - https://www.pli.edu/faculty/ilona-logvinova-i2002979 Evan - https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/people/evan-shenkman.html Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Ilona - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilonalogvinova Evan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/evan-shenkman-5445123 Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Katya Fisher introduces her journey from a practicing attorney to a tech entrepreneur. She shares her experience of building a successful law practice during the Great Recession and how she acquired a unique set of legal skills. Katya talks about the inefficiencies in the legal world that led her to build Aracor.ai, a legal tech product tailored for in-house counsel of investment firms such as venture capital funds, private equity groups, and family offices.   Learn More: Aracor - https://www.aracor.ai/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Katya - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katyafisher/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz  

In this episode recorded at the NetDocuments Inspire EMEA conference in London, Dan Hauck outlines the strides made in integrating AI into legal document management. The discussion begins with a reflection on a previous webinar and the decision to avoid common, simplistic AI solutions like chatbots, instead focusing on using LLMs for intelligent document tagging. The development and features of NetDocuments' AI suite, ndMax, are detailed, emphasizing automated processes like semantic search, document metadata enrichment, and contract summarization. The conversation also touches on the importance of embedding AI seamlessly into existing workflows to enhance the work experience for attorneys, improve client service, and retain top talent. Additionally, they explore future enhancements, the integration of custom legal applications, and the overarching strategy of simplifying AI use within the platform.    AI in Legal: A Thoughtful Approach Developing ndMax: Tackling Legal Challenges with AI  The Shift to Semantic Search  Building Legal Apps with ndMax AI Integration and Lawyer Experience  Simply Intelligent: The New Messaging   Learn More: Dan - NetDocuments.com Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Dan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhauck Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz