Introduction & Summary
Dr. Mercedes Okosi returned to the Pansa Pansa Podcast to introduce her newly published book to our listeners. Dr. Okosi is a psychologist and the author of a powerful new book, The Big Book of Boundaries for People Who Make Themselves Small. In this book, Dr. Okosi explores why so many of us struggle with setting limits, whether emotional, physical, or even with our time. She explained how reclaiming our boundaries is an act of self-worth. As the daughter of an African immigrant father from Nigeria and an African American mother, Dr. Okosi brings a unique cultural and professional perspective to this conversation. In this conversation, we discussed what inspired her to write the book, the different types of boundaries we need in our lives, and how assertive communication can transform our relationships. Dr. Okosi emphasizes the importance of assertive communication and understanding various kinds of boundaries—physical, intellectual, emotional, and material. The discussion also touches on cultural influences on boundary setting and the emotional costs of neglecting personal space. Dr. Okosi provides insights into how individuals can reclaim their space and prioritize their well-being through effective boundary management.
Takeaways
Setting boundaries is an act of self-worth.
Cultural influences significantly affect how boundaries are perceived and set.
Assertive communication is key to maintaining healthy boundaries.
There are different types of boundaries: physical, intellectual, emotional, and material.
Guilt often prevents people from setting necessary boundaries.
Empowerment comes from actively participating in one's own life.
It's important to communicate your boundaries clearly to others.
Boundaries are not just for personal protection but also for fostering healthy relationships.
Understanding the emotional costs of not setting boundaries is crucial.
Everyone deserves to prioritize their own needs and well-being.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Boundaries and Self-Worth
03:33 The Impact of Upbringing on Boundary Setting
08:04 Understanding the Book Title and Its Significance
10:03 Exploring Racial and Cultural Boundaries
11:39 Types of Boundaries: An Overview
15:56 Physical Boundaries: Everyday Examples
20:58 Intellectual Boundaries: Protecting Ideas and Values
23:43 Emotional Boundaries: Responsibility for Others' Feelings
29:41 Navigating Parenting and Individuality
30:51 Understanding Sexual Boundaries
34:32 Empowerment in Sexual Life
35:47 Cultural Contexts of Domestic Violence
37:50 Material Boundaries and Financial Obligations
41:03 Setting Limits on Time and Social Obligations
49:18 Assertive Communication Skills
51:57 Active Participation in Life
54:24 Shifting Focus to Self-Care
58:10 Introduction to PANSA PANSA Live Podcast
To be a parent to a child with special needs is an act of relentless love, but no parent should have to do it alone. When the systems fail to provide respite care or the services and support needed, the system dismisses the humanity of caregivers and the rights of children. Dr. Yewande Richards' advocacy is rooted in both lived experience and rigorous research. Her personal and professional experiences show that so much is at stake. What would it look like if policy truly valued the labor of mothers like her and not just in theory, but in tangible support?
Summary
Our discussion delves into the importance of community engagement, the barriers to accessing services, and the need for open conversations about children of immigrants with special needs and the family dynamics. Dr. Richards shares personal anecdotes and insights from her research on African immigrant mothers and their children with special needs, emphasizing the importance of understanding and addressing the unique challenges faced by this community.
Bio:
Dr. Yewande Richards obtained her doctoral degree in 2024 from Walden University's School of Behavioral and Social Sciences. Her doctoral dissertation, conducted as a nationwide qualitative study, examined barriers to Respite Care Among African Immigrant Mothers of Children with Complex Needs. The purpose of this study was to understand access barriers to respite care services for these mothers and the role of race in potential disparities in access using a critical race theoretical lens. As Dr. Richards pointed out during our conversation, she was investigating this problem to help fill a knowledge gap in the human and social services fields related to identifying and tracking African immigrant children's complex health conditions and providing critically needed care and support for them and their families.
Ms. Richards also holds a Master of Public Administration from New York University and a degree in Biology from Berea College. She is a mother of 3 sons, one of whom has complex needs. She enjoys quiet living, nature, the arts, and exploring various cultures. She has also been a small business owner for nearly a decade.
Takeaways
The journey from Liberia to America was influenced by a mother's foresight.
Parental influence plays a significant role in shaping children's lives.
Cultural differences impact emotional expression and parenting styles.
Children of immigrants face unique challenges in navigating their identities.
Education and social life in college can be complex for immigrant students.
Research on African immigrant mothers highlights barriers to accessing services.
Community engagement is crucial for addressing the needs of immigrant families.
Understanding family dynamics is essential for supporting children with special needs.
Mental health discussions are often stigmatized in immigrant communities.
Collective action is necessary for advocating for immigrant rights and services.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Yewanda Richards and Her Journey
05:08 The Impact of Family and Cultural Background
08:20 Exploring Fatherhood and Its Challenges in African Families
10:59 The Immigrant Experience: Challenges Faced by Children
14:03 Understanding the Parent-Child Dynamic in Immigrant Families
17:04 Cultural Differences in Emotional Expression and Mental Health
19:37 Navigating College Life as an Immigrant Student
22:11 Research Focus: African Immigrant Mothers and Special Needs
25:15 Barriers to Respite Care for African Immigrant Families
30:57 Understanding Participation in Research
33:33 Advocacy and Community Engagement
36:01 Challenges in Research and Data Collection
39:12 Family Dynamics in African Immigrant Communities
41:57 Access to Healthcare and Services
44:49 The Importance of Respite Care
46:31 Barriers to Accessing Care
49:11 The Role of Community in Research
51:54 Cultural Competency and Advocacy
55:26 Empowerment and Collective Action
Dr. Otito Iwuchukwua is a brilliant organizational psychologist, an author, scientist, and educator. She is a member of the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences. She is a Pharmacist Scientist with a Ph.D. in Pharmaceutical Sciences, specialization in Drug Metabolism and Pharmacokinetics, from Temple University School of Pharmacy in Philadelphia.
Dr. Iwuchukwu, PhD, is on a mission to write books that help people connect with themselves, each other, and the world around them through stories. Her latest book, The Belonging Paradox, is a personal navigator’s guide to understanding oneself in relationship to others in various life spaces. Through individual belonging stories, research insights, and incisive reflection questions, the book encourages readers to perceive belonging and then beam it out into the world. When we belong to ourselves, no matter who we are or where we are, we can let go of the stories we tell ourselves as we reframe challenging interpersonal relationships. Otito believes that belonging is both personal and collective and is not an individual mission to be conquered. We need a community to reflect belonging fully. The Belonging Paradox helps readers see, in no uncertain terms, that if we truly learn to belong to ourselves, we can offer genuine belonging to others in our lives.
Summary
In this conversation, we explored the complex experiences of African immigrants in America, focusing on themes of migration, identity, and belonging. Dr. Otito Iwuchukwua shares her personal journey, discussing the challenges of cultural shock, navigating professional spaces, and the importance of mentorship. The discussion also highlights the significance of pharmacogenomics and the role of storytelling in fostering community and understanding. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the need for connection, cultural exchange, and the power of belonging in shaping the immigrant experience.
Takeaways
Dr. Otito Iwuchukwua the importance of belonging and identity.
Cultural shock is a common experience for immigrants adjusting to life in the U.S.
Navigating professional spaces can be challenging for immigrants, especially in predominantly white environments.
Pharmacogenomics is a field that studies how genetics affect drug responses.
Mentorship plays a crucial role in the success of immigrants in their professional journeys.
Racial dynamics in America can create barriers to belonging for immigrants and people of color.
The Belonging Paradox explores the complexities of feeling like an outsider.
Parents can help their children feel a sense of belonging by connecting them to their cultural roots.
Cultural exchange and storytelling can bridge gaps between different communities.
Chapters:
01:20 Exploring Migration and Identity
03:09 Dr. 'Otito Iwuchukwua Background and Family History
05:10 Motivations for Migrating to the U.S.
07:14 Emotional Aspects of Leaving Home
09:08 Cultural Shock and Adjustment in the U.S.
13:14 Finding Community and Belonging
16:04 Professional Journey in Pharmacogenomics
19:44 Understanding Genomics and Precision Medicine
22:00 Navigating Challenges as a Woman of Color in Science
27:31 Mentorship and Role Models in Academia
29:53 Navigating Professional Identity as an Immigrant
36:00 Understanding Racial Dynamics in the U.S.
44:23 The Concept of Belonging
55:59 Experiencing Liminal Spaces as Immigrants
01:00:10 Defining True Belonging
01:02:31 Nurturing a Sense of Belonging in Children
01:04:21 Cultural Connection and Identity
01:09:00 The Role of Home in Belonging
01:12:23 Navigating Intraracial Discrimination
01:15:04 Understanding Scarcity and Resource Dynamics
01:18:11 Empathy and Shared Experiences
01:22:15 Building Bridges Across Cultures
01:26:27 The Power of Storytelling and Community
To furtherconnect with Dr. Iwuchukwua please visit her website @ http://www.otitoiwuchukwu.com/
Migration is not just a change of geography, but it is a rebirth of self. Every immigrant, no matter race or cultural identity, carries two worlds with them. The world they left behind and the world they must learn to call home. In this episode, I have the chance to engage in a profound conversation with Mwangi Wanjao, a storyteller and writer from Nairobi, Kenya, now residing in Canada.
In this conversation, we explore challenges of migration, which includes identity, race, and the immigrant experience. Particularly, we focus on the challenges African immigrants face in predominantly white spaces. Mwangi shares his journey, cultural shocks, and the complexities of navigating dual identities while emphasizing the importance of authenticity and belonging. The discussion also touches on the impact of American racial discourse on Canada as well as the rest of the world, and the need for communities among diverse Black identities to address discrimination as well as their differences.
Mwangi Wanjau is a professional writer and blogger originally from Nairobi, Kenya, and now based in Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada. His work boldly explores themes of identity, equity, and global citizenship. With a passion for uplifting the Black community and elevating underrepresented voices, Mwangi is recognized as a top writer on Medium in the “Race” category. His essays often weave personal narratives with broader social critique, offering sharp reflections on the African diaspora experience, systemic inequities, and the personal journey of self-improvement.
Through the lens of digital storytelling, he has built a platform dedicated to empowering those who don’t feel seen—reminding readers that their stories, identities, and truths matter. Whether unpacking issues of race, migration, or personal growth, Mwangi writes with clarity, purpose, and an unshakable belief in the power of words to drive connection and change.
Takeaways
Mwangi Wanjao is a storyteller and writer from Nairobi, Kenya.
He explores themes of migration, identity, and race.
Cultural shock includes differences in social interactions and community.
Coded racism in Canada often manifests as surface-level friendliness.
Identity can feel performative when navigating different cultural spaces.
Names carry deep personal significance and can reflect identity struggles.
African immigrants face unique challenges compared to Black Canadians.
Community among Black identities can be complex and nuanced.
American racial discourse influences perceptions of racism in Canada.
Authenticity is crucial for asserting one's identity in a new country.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Mwangi Wanjao and His Work
03:30 Journey from Nairobi to Canada
05:26 Expectations vs. Reality in a New Country
07:33 Cultural Shock and Early Experiences
12:08 Understanding Coded Racism in Canada
18:06 The Complexity of Code-Switching
23:28 The Significance of Names and Identity
24:23 Reclaiming Identity Through Names
28:11 Navigating Dual Identities in Canada
32:08 Community Dynamics Among Black Canadians
35:09 The Impact of American Racial Discourse
38:05 Understanding Intergroup Discrimination
41:57 Embracing Authenticity in a New Home
Links to articles on Medium:
https://medium.com/an-injustice/what-it-means-to-be-black-in-canada-95f003499ac3?sk=f2628ff5f35b3a19694540a792bf0e5d
https://medium.com/about-me-stories/too-foreign-here-too-local-there-877213227efe?sk=70b3efd6af749bdd0f48d232cbcb01ae
https://medium.com/an-injustice/i-stopped-using-my-white-name-with-white-people-d8dfa60de65d?sk=291ba9e36fb2c3f11c380533bf89c828
In this episode of the Pansa Pansa podcast, I had the privilege of having a conversation with Cedric Muhikira, a self-taught author who explores themes of identity, migration, and resilience in his new novel 'Libax'. During our discussion, we explored immigrant experience, cultural shocks, the duality of identity, and the importance of community and friendship as they relate to his personal experience and the character in his book. Muhikira also shares insights of his journey from Rwanda to the United States, highlighting the struggles and triumphs of immigrants as they navigate their new lives. Throughout our discussion, Muhikira emphasized the power of storytelling and encouraged the listeners to connect with immigrants' experiences through empathy.
Bio:
Cedric Muhikira is a self-taught author and storyteller known for his poignant exploration of identity, migration, and resilience. His debut novel, Libaax: Grow Your Roots Where You Land, follows the journey of Ayaan, a young Somali immigrant navigating life in Detroit while grappling with questions of belonging, family, and cultural duality. Drawing inspiration from his own experiences growing up between cultures, Cedric weaves rich narratives that resonate with readers from all backgrounds.
A passionate advocate for immigrant voices, Cedric blends literature and music, especially Somali qaraami and Detroit hip-hop, to create emotionally layered stories that celebrate cultural heritage while challenging societal boundaries. His characters are vividly human, shaped by their environments yet striving to define their paths. With a style that is lyrical, cinematic, and deeply empathetic, Cedric uses fiction as a way to explore the complexities of identity and the universal search for home.
Beyond writing, Cedric engages in cross-cultural dialogue through community workshops, speaking events, and collaborative arts projects that aim to uplift underrepresented narratives. He believes in storytelling as a tool for healing, connection, and transformation.
Keywords:
immigration, cultural identity, resilience, dual identity, community, adaptation, belonging, storytelling, African diaspora, literature
Takeaways:
The immigrant experience is filled with cultural shocks and adaptations.
Navigating dual identities can be challenging for immigrants.
The title 'Libax' symbolizes strength and resilience in the face of adversity.
Building a home in a new land requires patience and community support.
Immigrants often face struggles that are overlooked by those back home.
Friendship and community play a crucial role in the immigrant journey.
Writing can be a poetic expression of the immigrant experience.
Displacement can lead to a sense of belonging in unexpected places.
Cultural misunderstandings can complicate relationships for immigrants.
Music serves as a bridge between cultures and identities.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Cedric Muharra-Kira and His Work
02:56 The Journey of Ayan: Identity and Migration
06:53 Cultural Shock and Dual Identity
10:13 The Significance of the Title 'Libax'
12:17 Building Home: Friendship and Community
16:03 Navigating Professional Challenges as an Immigrant
19:09 The Poetic Style of Writing
21:18 Displacement and Belonging
24:57 Understanding Culture Shock
28:36 Assimilation and Identity Transformation
31:25 The Power of Shared Experience
33:38 Romantic Misunderstandings and Emotional Depth
40:04 The Importance of Community and Belonging
43:19 Messages of Resilience and Hope
46:04 Introduction to PANSA PANSA Live Podcast
What happens when the pressure to succeed collides with the weight of cultural expectations? In this robust conversation, I sat down with Mouhamadou B. Diagne, a Harvard-trained Muslim chaplain and scholar who, as a child immigrant, transitioned from not speaking English to becoming a leading voice for mental health advocacy in African immigrant communities.
Bio:
Mouhamadou Diagne immigrated to the US from Senegal as a child. Despite not initially speaking a word of English, he became fluent after only two months and distinguished himself as a high-high-achieving, engaged student. He would win the prestigious Posse Foundation Full-Tuition Leadership scholarship to study psychology and educational studies at Carleton College. While there, his work in the Chaplain’s Office led him to pursue a calling in College Chaplaincy. His first stop was pursuing a Master of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School, with a concentration in Islam and African Religions. He wrote a thesis detailing a plan for counseling Muslim African Immigrants in the United States. In the decade since graduation, Mouhamadou has held ground-breaking chaplaincy positions at Columbia and Bucknell Universities before transitioning to a career in admissions and DEI, serving as the inaugural Chief Diversity Officer at Saint Joseph’s College of Maine, and currently a Multicultural Outreach and Recruitment specialist at Fitchburg State University in MA. He recently founded his own consulting company, offering Muslim wedding and relationship counseling services.
Summary
In this conversation, Muhamadou Diagni shares his journey as a Muslim chaplain and advocate for mental health within African immigrant communities. He discusses the complexities of navigating dual identities as an African and Black individual in America, the cultural dynamics that shape these experiences, and the mental health challenges faced by African immigrants. Diagni emphasizes the importance of community support, the role of faith in mental health, and the need to break the stigma surrounding mental health issues. He advocates for greater awareness and understanding of mental health within African immigrant households, encouraging individuals to seek help and support.
Takeaways
Muhamadou Diagni emphasizes the importance of community support in navigating dual identities.
He highlights the unique mental health challenges faced by African immigrants, including acculturative stress.
The conversation addresses the cultural dynamics between African and African-American communities.
Diagni discusses the role of faith in mental health and the importance of integrating religious beliefs into counseling.
He advocates for breaking the stigma surrounding mental health in African immigrant communities.
The need for more mental health resources and awareness is stressed throughout the conversation.
Diagni shares personal experiences of navigating identity conflicts and the impact on mental health.
He encourages younger generations to seek help and prioritize mental well-being.
The conversation highlights the importance of understanding cultural differences in mental health treatment.
Diagni calls for greater empathy and solidarity among different cultural groups.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Muhamadou Diagni
02:45 Navigating Dual Identities as an Immigrant
09:52 The African vs. African-American Dynamic
12:11 Cultural Straddling: Balancing African and Black Identities
18:04 Racism Within the Muslim Community
23:28 The Intersection of Culture and Religion
30:03 Choosing Carleton College: A Personal Journey
34:44 Navigating Academic Challenges and Mental Health
40:55 Cultural Stigma and Mental Health in Immigrant Communities
52:02 Acculturative Stress and Mental Health Issues
55:16 Breaking the Stigma of Mental Health
01:00:40 Integrating Faith and Mental Health Support
01:05:46 Empowering the Younger Generation for Mental Health Advocacy
In many immigrant households, the past is never discussed but is always present in our lives. Families who crossed oceans carry their pain in silence. The child born into a new land wrestles with belonging. And when they finally speak, it’s often in different languages—culturally, emotionally, and generationally.
Today, I sit down with Safi Lynch, a therapist who understands these tensions deeply. As a child of immigrants and a mental health practitioner, she helps families make peace with the past—while taking ownership of the future.
Bio:
Safi Lynch Wilson is a dedicated mental health professional who provides culturally responsive therapy to immigrant communities and people of the diaspora. With a deep understanding of the unique challenges faced by those navigating identity, trauma, and displacement, Safi creates a space where clients feel seen, heard, and supported.In addition to her therapeutic work, Safi conducts psychological evaluations for asylum seekers, helping them tell their stories with compassion and clarity to support more favorable outcomes in their legal processes.Born in Liberia and immigrating to the United States at the age of 12, Safi's personal journey has powerfully shaped her commitment to serving communities that often go unheard. Her lived experience informs her empathetic and culturally attuned approach.Safi is also a proud military spouse and the mother of three children, including a set of twins—roles that further enrich her perspective and resilience in both her personal and professional life.
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Safi Lynch and I delve into the complexities of mental health within immigrant families. We explore the cultural expectations that shape the identities of immigrant children, the stigma surrounding mental health, and the importance of understanding intergenerational trauma. The discussion also contrasts indigenous and Western approaches to healing, emphasizing the need for empathy and forgiveness across generations. Safi shares her insights as a licensed therapist, highlighting the unique challenges faced by immigrant families and the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue and understanding.
Takeaways
Cultural expectations can significantly impact mental health in immigrant families.
Shame and stigma often prevent individuals from seeking mental health support.
Intergenerational trauma is a common issue among immigrant families.
Understanding the unique experiences of immigrant children is crucial for effective therapy.
The indigenous approach to healing emphasizes community and collective wellness.
Western therapy often focuses on individual pathology, missing cultural context.
Empathy and forgiveness are essential for healing across generations.
Parents should create safe spaces for their children to express themselves.
Children of immigrants often struggle with identity and cultural expectations.
Therapists must dig deeper to understand the layered issues faced by immigrant clients.
Chapters
00:00 Navigating Immigrant Family Dynamics
13:24 Cultural Expectations and Mental Health
20:33 The Burden of the Golden Child
24:14 Building a Sense of Self in Immigrant Families
28:57 Understanding Generational Trauma vs. Personal Accountability
29:50 Understanding the Past for a Better Future
35:59 Navigating Parent-Child Dynamics in Immigrant Families
46:55 Cultural Perspectives on Mental Health
53:21 Empathy and Healing Across Generations
To contact Safi Lynch services:
https://www.safilynchtherapeuticservices.com/consultations
https://providers.therapyforblackgirls.com/listing/safi-lynch-wilson-lcsw-c/
I first came across Franck Zanu through a compelling YouTube video titled “The White Dispossession of America.” It was my first encounter with the Zanu Project and with Mr. Zanu’s work. His perspective on this subject was bold, thought-provoking, and deeply engaging.
As I listened, I began thinking about the broader themes that connect his work to conversations I’ve been having on this podcast—especially around the crises facing African nations, the realities of African immigrant experiences, and the complex layers of race relations in America. I reached out to Mr. Zanu, and I was thrilled when he accepted my invitation to continue that conversation the podcast.
Bio:
Franck Zanu hosts the fast-growing podcast “Zanu Project. Rethink”. He is different. He is intense, explosive, analytical, and deeply thought-provoking. He is a life- coach, inspirational speaker, and human development consultant. Zanu’s approach to working with people is unique. While he is empathetic, intuitive, and objective, the most distinctive aspect of his approach is how he challenges you to view the issue from a completely different perspective. He successfully turns the issue upside down, transforming your perspective inside out so you see things from a brand-new perspective, energizing you to take action and achieve instant results. His path is marked by many colors, both professionally and culturally. He is a US citizen born in the Republic of Benin, West Africa. He has worked as a reporter for the New York Tribune and a photojournalist for the Washington Times stationed in the South.
Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Bulgaria, and other countries in Africa. He is an award-winning speaker on Black History at the African American Affairs Commission and Sikorsky Aircraft, both in Connecticut.
Summary
In this engaging conversation, Mr. Zanu shares his unique perspective on cultural identity, governance, and the challenges faced by the African diaspora. He reflects on his early life experiences, the impact of education and travel, and the importance of questioning established norms. Mr. Zanu emphasizes the need for cultural preservation and understanding the complexities of brain drain, while also addressing the dual identities that immigrants navigate in their new environments. His insights challenge listeners to think deeper about their roles in shaping a better future for Africa and its diaspora. In this conversation, We discussed the complexities of the African immigrant experience in America, focusing on the understanding of racial dynamics, misconceptions about success, and the importance of cultural identity. He emphasizes the need for community building and challenges the prevailing narratives around race and class in addressing inequality. We looked into a new approach to governance in Africa, suggesting the establishment of think tanks to redefine the future and address systemic issues.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Frank Zano's Journey
04:14 Early Life and Immigration Experiences
07:34 Professional Growth and Global Exposure
10:21 Cultural Observations and Identity Challenges
13:06 The Importance of National Identity
16:21 Critique of African Governance and Colonial Legacy
19:15 The Flaws in Post-Colonial Leadership
22:30 The Role of Education in Development
25:21 The Need for a New Narrative
28:14 Conclusion and Future Directions
39:19 The Illusion of Population Numbers in Africa
43:25 Colonization: Markets Over Resources
47:37 Cultural Identity and Assimilation Challenges
55:03 Misconceptions of Success in America
01:17:06 The Impact of Colonization on Self-Determination
01:21:31 The Role of Think Tanks in Addressing African Issues
01:27:09 Race vs. Class: Understanding Inequality in America
01:36:38 Questioning the Narrative: A New Perspective on Marginalization
01:41:50 The Historical Context of Development in Africa
01:47:54 A Call for New Leadership and Governance in Africa
Chinedu Achebe is insightful storyteller, cultural commentator, and author of the deeply personal and powerful novel, When It All Falls Down. The book is a continuation of his earlier work The Miseducation of Obi Ifeayin. In his new book 'When It All Falls Down,' he invites us into the layered world of Obi, a Nigerian-American navigating fatherhood, marriage, politics, cultural expectations, identity, and examine legacy in America. During our conversation, Chinedu Achebe further discusses the complexities of belonging for Africans in the diaspora. He shares personal stories about loss, vulnerability, and the importance of emotional intelligence, while also addressing broader societal issues such as mental health, historical trauma, and the challenges faced by immigrant communities. The dialogue emphasizes the need for open conversations about these topics and the significance of continuous learning and growth.
Bio:
Chinedu Achebe is a Nigerian American who was born in Richmond, Virginia. He is the oldest of 3 siblings. Chinedu graduated from the University of Houston with his Bachelors degree in Economics. He published his first book, Blunted on Reality in 2012. Chinedu also has written articles in the Huffington Post, Medium, and Bella Naija. He currently lives in Houston, Texas with his wife and two children.
The takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Chinedu Achebe
02:49 Exploring Fatherhood and Legacy
05:37 The Impact of Parental Relationships
08:54 Navigating Male Vulnerability
11:39 Cultural Expectations and Emotional Expression
14:21 The Pressure of Success in African Communities
17:10 Infidelity and Family Dynamics
19:56 Mental Health and Sexual Wellness
23:08 Historical Trauma and Its Legacy
41:41 The Biafra Trauma and Its Legacy
47:32 Aging in the Diaspora: Returning to Africa
52:46 The Model Minority Mindset Among African Immigrants
01:03:18 Redefining Blackness and Intergroup Discrimination
01:07:49 Affirmative Action: Access and Opportunity
01:18:31 The Importance of Continuous Learning and Knowledge
01:22:32 closing statement Copy of PANSA PANSA - OUTRO.mp3
Our conversation stems from social media dialogue to explore emotional expressions often shaped by deeply rooted cultural traditions and an individual’s personality, which can result in patterns of Enmeshment & Control and even generational Trauma.
Oludara (Dara) Adeeyo is a Los Angeles-based mental health therapist, author, and social media content creator passionate about encouraging people, especially Black women, to face every day with self-confidence and self-love.
Oludara’s first series of books, published by Adams Media, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, share specific advice and activities designed to help Black women outwardly express their inner joy: Self-Care for Black Women (2022), Affirmations for Black Women: A Journal (2022), Mind, Body, & Soul: A Self-Care Coloring Book for Black Women (2024), and Meditations for Black Women (2025).
Oludara has a private practice, Dark Berry Wellness, where she specializes in helping marginalized folks, especially Black women, manage their stressors, boost their self-confidence, and manifest their desires by releasing people-pleasing impulses.
Summary
This conversation explores the complexities of parenting styles within African immigrant households, focusing on cultural norms, emotional expression, enmeshment, and generational trauma. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by immigrant parents in navigating their cultural expectations while raising children in a different societal context. It emphasizes the importance of healthy communication, the impact of favoritism, and the need for boundariesin family dynamics. The conversation also addresses the role of community support and cultural sensitivity in therapy, advocating for self-compassion and understanding in the parenting journey.
Takeaways
A. Parenting styles in immigrant households can be influenced by cultural norms.
B. Emotional expression is often shaped by cultural traditions and individual personalities.
C. Enmeshment in families can lead to toxic dynamics and confusion about roles.
D. Cultural differences can create challenges in relationships, especially for children of immigrants.
E. Anger is often used as a means of control in parenting, which can be abusive.
F. Immigrant parents may experience anxiety that affects their parenting expectations.
G. The pressure to succeed can create mental health challenges for children in immigrant families.
H. Healthy communication strategies are essential for fostering emotional expression.
I. Favoritism in parenting can lead to low self-esteem and rivalry among siblings.
J. Respect for elders must be balanced with the child's need for self-expression.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Parenting Styles in African Households
04:20 Cultural Norms and Emotional Expression
07:30 The Impact of Enmeshment in Family Dynamics
10:11 Navigating Anger and Control in Parenting
13:23 The Immigrant Experience and Parenting Challenges
16:32 The Pressure of Expectations on Immigrant Children
19:20 Fostering Healthy Emotional Expression
22:15 Unlearning Toxic Family Dynamics
25:15 The Role of Gender in Parenting Expectations
28:20 Reflections on Modern Parenting and Gender Roles
31:57 Breaking Patriarchal Norms in Parenting
35:06 Balancing Respect for Elders and Self-Expression
37:25 Navigating Immigrant Parenting Challenges
40:37 Cultural Expectations and Open Communication
41:34 Understanding the Need for Respect in Relationships
45:05 Dismantling Generational Patterns
48:36 Cultural Critique and Personal Growth
52:28 Community Influence on Individual Boundaries
55:22 Age-Appropriate Responsibilities in Parenting
57:42 Mental Health Impacts of Adult Responsibilities
58:52 Generational Trauma and Family Dynamics
01:01:47 Radical Acceptance and Community Compassion
01:03:31 closing statement Copy of PANSA PANSA
I recently came across an article Luc Olinga wrote published on Medium titled I Am Black Man. DEI Is The New Racism. Race relation in America is a sensitive topic many people do not like to engage in because they are afraid of saying the wrong thing. During our conversation, we explored many areas on this topic.
Bio:
Luc Olinga is a French journalist based in New York City. He worked for the French newswire Agence France-Presse (AFP), the world’s third-largest, for 15 years in Europe and the U.S. From 2014 to 2021, he served as AFP’s U.S. Business Correspondent in New York before becoming the Economics, Business, and Tech Editor for North America, based in Washington, D.C.
After leaving AFP, he led tech coverage at the U.S. business news platform TheStreet. He is currently documenting the Men’s Counter-Revolution in the U.S., traveling across the country to explore the perspectives of Black men on the nation’s shifting social and political landscape. You can read his work on Medium.
Born and raised in Cameroon, he later moved to Paris, France, where he spent most of his adult life.
Keywords
DEI, African immigrants, cultural identity, educationinequality, race relations, storytelling, community engagement, meritocracy, personal growth, immigrant experience
Summary
In this conversation, Mr. Luc Olinga shares his experiencesas an African immigrant navigating cultural identity, race relations, and the complexities of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in America. He reflects on his upbringing in Cameroon, his educational journey in France, and histransition to the United States, discussing the challenges and opportunities he faced. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of community engagement, educational equality, and the need for higher expectations within the Africanimmigrant community. Olinga critiques the current DEI initiatives, arguing that they often fail to address the root causes of inequality and can sometimes perpetuate new forms of racism. The conversation concludes with a call toaction for African immigrants to take charge of their narratives and work towards empowering their communities.
Takeaways
DEI initiatives can sometimes perpetuate new forms of racism.
Cultural identity plays a significant role in personal development.
Expectations from parents and community influence children's success.
Educational inequality is a root cause of broader societal issues.
Community engagement is crucial for empowering African immigrants.
The immigrant experience is shaped by both cultural heritage and new environments.
Meritocracy must be balanced with awareness of systemic inequalities.
Personal resilience is key in navigating challenges in foreign countries.
The importance of storytelling in understanding cultural experiences.
African immigrants often face unique challenges in the U.S. job market.
Chapters
00:53 Exploring African Immigrant Experiences in America
01:20 Introduction to Olinga's Journey
04:27 Childhood Memories and Cultural Reflections
07:10 Navigating Education in France
09:59 Experiences of Race and Identity in France
13:10 Transition to the United States
15:53 The Impact of African Roots on Identity
18:57 Opportunities and Challenges in America
21:23 Understanding DEI: A New Perspective
24:44 Corruption vs. DEI: A Comparative Analysis
27:33 The Misconceptions of DEI
30:16 The Role of Education in Addressing Inequality
33:29 The Future of DEI and Its Implications
36:14 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
48:16 Inequality in Education: A Root Cause
51:26 The Role of Affirmative Action
54:12 Challenges in the Educational System
57:21 Community Engagement and Mentorship
01:00:31 Breaking the Cycle of Victimhood
01:02:54 Cultural Perspectives on Success
01:05:58 Expectations and Community Responsibility
01:09:44 The African Immigrant Experience
01:15:11 Meritocracy vs. DEI: A Complex Debate
We must explore all avenues to get to the root of a problem. According to an African proverb, "A wise man follows the advice of his neighbors, but a fool trusts his own illusions." The final episode on the theme of mental health discussion on the Pansa Pansa Podcast is about mental illness and addiction. It is a delight to have Dr. Olawale Ojo as a guest to bring his expertise to our diaspora community as a psychiatrist specializing in addiction. The purpose of this episode is to elaborate on the intersection between mental illness, addiction, and cultural stigma among Africans in the diaspora and mainly how these factors affect our youth as well as family relations. In the past three episodes on mental health awareness, we have dived into the diversity of engaging topics. During our discussion, Dr. Ojo shared the story of his humble beginning, which came from dedicated parents and community mentors who empowered and believed in him. He talked about growing up in a society where mental illness is often misinterpreted and ill-treated, which he stated resulted in his interest in psychiatry.
Bio:
Dr. Olawale Ojo began his medical journey at Obafemi Awolowo University in Nigeria, where his passion for mental health first took root. After earning his medical degree, he embarked on an exciting adventure to Brooklyn, New York, completing his general psychiatric residency at Interfaith Medical Center. It was there that he discovered his calling in addiction psychiatry. Driven to make a meaningful impact, Dr. Ojo moved to Indiana, Indiana University (IU), to specialize in addiction psychiatry. His commitment to helping those struggling with addiction led him to his current roles as the associate program director of the IU Addiction Psychiatry treatment program and the medical director of the IU Methodist Addiction Treatment and Recovery Center (ATRC).
In these roles, Dr. Ojo is dedicated to developing innovative inpatient consult addiction services, an Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP), and a dual diagnosis outpatient clinic. His work is not just a career but a mission to transform lives and provide hope to those in need. When he's not busy mentoring residents and leading community efforts related to addiction treatment and mental health awareness, Dr. Ojo enjoys spending quality time with his family and playing video games. His dedication to his patients and community is truly inspiring, making him a beloved figure in addiction psychiatry.
Our conversation starts by exploring Dr. Ojo's experience as an immigrant in America, navigating an educational system quite different from Nigeria's educational system, adapting to a job that many may consider demeaning, and how these experiences shaped the person he is today. We then dived into stigma-sounding mental illness, traditional practices, and how reliance on non-scientific methods of treatment affects the long-term outcomes for individuals with mental illness. We further discuss how cultural biases on mental illness and/or parents' lack of relationship with their children within African immigrant communities may affect the recognition of the symptoms of mental illness in their children. We discussed mental illness and different types of addiction, specifically substance use, technology, gambling, and food, that may be more widespread or misunderstood in African immigrant families. Finally, we discussed solutions and resources available and how community leaders, as well as organizations, can help break the stigma around mental illness and addiction. Dr. Ojo provides extensive advice to parents who suspect their child may be struggling with mental illness and/or addiction.
Call for action:
A. Please share this episode with others who may benefit from it
B. Normalizing discussing mental health openly
C. Seek help if you or someone you know is struggling with addiction and/or mental illness by calling 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.
We must explore all avenues to get to the root of a problem. According to an African proverb, "A wise man follows the advice of his neighbors, but a fool trusts his own illusions." The final episode on the theme of mental health discussion on the Pansa Pansa Podcast is about mental illness and addiction. It is such a delight to have Dr. Olawale Ojo as a guest to bring his expertise to our diaspora community as a psychiatrist specializing in addiction. In the past three episodes on mental health awareness, we have dived into the diversity of engaging topics. The purpose of this episode is to elaborate on the intersection between mental illness, addiction, and cultural stigma among Africans in the diaspora and mainly how these factors affect our youth as well as family relations.
Dr. Olawale Ojo leads the inpatient addiction psychiatry consult services at Methodist Hospital, serves as the medical director of the Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP) and developed a dual diagnosis outpatient clinic at IUH Adult Outpatient Psychiatry Clinic at Goodman Hall. Additionally, he serves as the Associate Program Director of the IUSM Addiction Psychiatry Fellowship Program.
Please join me on the next episode with Dr. Olawale Ojo has he elaborates on the intersection between mental illness, addiction, and cultural stigma among Africans in the diaspora and mainly how these factors affect our youth as well as family relations.
These excerpts offers a glimpse into our discussion on mental illness and different types of addiction, specifically substance use, technology, gambling, and food, that may be more widespread or misunderstood in African immigrant families.
An African proverb says, "You cannot uproot the baobab tree with one hand," meaning that people's hesitancy or trust towards modernization is sometimes ingrained in the traditional belief system. One must first explore the strength or depth of the belief system. I recently came across a research publication on Pubmed titled "Indigenous Mental Healthcare and Human Rights Abuses in Nigeria. Reading this report allows me to reflect on how these beliefs and the stigma of mental illness persist among African immigrants in the diaspora, affecting seeking appropriate care. I was eager to contact the researchers of the paper, Dr. Adegboyega Ogunwale and Dr. Oladayo Bifarin, to further discuss their findings. I wanted to further explore with both guests how traditional beliefs played a role in Africans' perception and management of mental illness. And to explore how the stigma hinders patients from seeking the appropriate mental health care both among Africans. Our discussion covers so many areas of issues on mental health care in Nigeria, including internalized and externalized stigma on mental health framework. The guests discussed the importance of cultural competency in mental health care and the language used by the caregivers. There was a discussion on limited government resources for citizens suffering from mental illness. My guests further discussed how the stigma surrounding mental illness or lack of availability of quality care contributes to addiction or an increase in the number of people addicted to drugs, alcohol, or other forms of addiction. Dr. Adegboyega explained how gender influences the experience of abuse in Indigenous mental health treatment settings. For example, women who may be going through mental disorders or experiencing psychosis may be labeled as witches and/or stoned to death.
Bios:
Dr. Adegboyega Ogunwale is the Chief Consultant Psychiatrist at Neuropsychiatric Hospital Aro, Abeokuta, and Chair of the Emerging Forensic Systems Interest Group, International Association of Forensic Mental Health Services. Dr. Ogunwale's key areas of expertise include Forensic Psychiatry, General Adult Psychiatry, Mental Health Legislation, and Medical Law & Ethics. His research work has focused on general adult psychiatry, abnormal homicide, mental health services in prison, and mental health legislation. He was awarded the Rafaelsen Young Investigator's Award of the International College of Neuropsychopharmacology in 2011 and the UK Chevening Scholarship in 2017. Dr Adegboyega Ogunwale joined the Department of Forensic & Neurodevelopmental Sciences as an MPhil/PhD student in June 2022 and is looking forward to completing his studies in 2026. Dr. Ogunwale completed his MBBS (Medicine & Surgery) at the University of Ilorin, Nigeria, and his MSc in Forensic Mental Health Research at King's College, London. Dr Ogunwale is a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (UK) and a fellowship with the West African College of Physicians.
Dr. Oladayo Bifarin is a Clinical academic- Registered Nurse (Mental Health), Research & Effectiveness Lead at Mersey Care NHS FT, Liverpool, and a Sr. Lecturer (Mental Health Nursing). Dr. Bifarin is an applied health researcher with a keen interest in examining mental health care pathways across the lifespan, specifically focusing on understanding culture's influence on the caregiving process and reducing health inequalities. He is a Sr. Research Leader (SRL) within the NIHR Sr. Research Leader Program for Nurses and Midwives. Dr. Bifarin teaches pre- and post-registration nursing modules such as Evidence-based Practice and contributes to teaching ethics, clinical governance, social gerontology, and Qualitative research paradigms and methods. Dr. Bifarin holds PhD from the University of Bradford, United Kingdom; he earned his MSc from Edge Hill University, United Kingdom, and his BSc from Obafemi Awolowo University, Nigeria.
(Photo Time Magazine The Niger Delta, Nigeria. October 2012)
Dr. Mercedes J. Okosi practices at Columbia Health, and she joined the department in 2023. She specializes in individual and group therapy for students presenting with various diagnoses and engages in campus outreach initiatives. Dr. Okosi worked with college students experiencing depression, anxiety, ADHD, and adjustment issues. She provided individual and family therapy to high school students. She also provided therapy, developed socioemotional school interventions in Newark, and engaged in motivational interviewing for previously incarcerated college students.
She has prior experience in providing psychotherapy to women experiencing trauma, substance abuse, and mood disorders and working with individuals with mood disorders, personality disorders, grief, trauma, substance abuse, and severe mental illness in both general outpatient and inpatient populations at New York City hospitals. She also became competent at facilitating both skills-focused and process groups.
Dr. Okosi studied Applied Psychology at the Steinhardt School of Culture, Education, and Human Development at New York University. Unlike a traditional psychology degree, this developmental and sociocultural-focused program immersed her in foundational psychological knowledge and fieldwork opportunities to engage in clinical practice with marginalized populations in the city. Her fieldwork involved working with adolescents and young adults in a nonprofit setting dealing with mental illness, extreme poverty, immigration difficulties, and a host of other psychosocial burdens. Dr. Okosi extended herself to internships and part-time work throughout her undergraduate career to gain experience in areas including HIV+, substance abuse, and severe mental illness.
Dr. Okosi received her Psy.D. in clinical psychology at Rutgers University and completed a doctoral internship at Mount Sinai St. Luke's and West Hospitals. Dr. Okosi is a bilingual (English/Spanish) New York State licensed clinical psychologist. Dr. Okosi is the clinical director of the Safe Mothers, Safe Children Initiative at NYU and owner of the private practice Growth Work Psychology Services PLLC, where she specializes in trauma. Dr. Okosi's research is at the intersection of trauma, identity, and social justice.
Dr. Okosi shared personal and professional insights into her therapy field during our conversation. We discussed her rich multicultural background as a daughter of a Nigerian father and African American mother. We talked about how these two heritages shaped her childhood and navigating her career choice. Dr. Okosi offered a unique perspective on the challenges that immigrant communities face when it comes to mental health. We dived into both the stigma and the lack of awareness of mental health within immigrants' communities and other people of color. We further discussed the vital role that cultural understanding and education play in overcoming these barriers. We discussed cultural competence role in therapy and what steps to take to ensure providers are sensitive to cultural differences in their practices. In conclusion, change is possible when we continue to have these critical conversations and create spaces where mental health is essential to overall well-being, no matter where we come from.
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l came across Dr. Akomolafe’s profile on Facebook about a seminar he was planning on giving therapy service providers titled “Where Do We Go When Healing Becomes Ill? Navigating the Empire of Trauma”. After connecting with his website, I was incredibly impressed with his background and the life journey that shaped whom he has become today. I asked if he was open to conversation, and I was thrilled when he accepted my invitation. The mission of this conversation was to discuss the role of African traditional belief systems in influencing the perceptions of the approach and the management of mental illness. Also, it brings the importance of mental health awareness to African immigrant communities in the diaspora.
During our conversation, Dr. Akomolafe talked about his family background and how his circumstantial reference to losing his father at a young age has some influence on whom he has become today. He talked about his educational background and how earning his PhD in clinical psychology in Nigeria shaped his understanding of traditional African belief systems as it relates to mental health. We discussed the possibility of integrating conventional African practices with Western mental health care since mental health care is openly discussed globally. For a therapist who may be working with a client who is an African immigrant, Dr. Akomolafe advises on how this therapist can navigate the intersection of traditional beliefs and modern psychological practices. Dr. Akomolafe has written award-winning books and co-authored some other books. We discussed two of his books, “These Wilds Beyond Our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity's Search for Home” and “We Will Tell Our Own Story: The Lion of Africa Speaks”.
A short-form biography of Dr. Bayo Akomolafe Reviewed
Bayo Akomolafe (Ph.D.), rooted with the Yoruba people in a more-than-human world, is the father to Alethea Aanya and Kyah Jayden Abayomi, the grateful life-partner to Ije, son and brother. A widely celebrated international speaker, post-humanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books) and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak, Bayo Akomolafe is the Founder of The Emergence Network, a planet-wide initiative that seeks to convene communities in new ways in response to the critical, civilizational challenges we face as a species. He hosts the post-activist course/festival/event, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains.’ He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California. He sits on the Board of many organizations including Science and Non-Duality (US) and Ancient. Futures (Australia).
In July 2022, Dr. Akomolafe was appointed the inaugural Global Senior Fellow of the University of California’s (Berkeley) Othering and Belonging Institute. He is also the inaugural Special Fellow of the Schumacher Centre for New Economics, the Inaugural Scholar in Residence for the Aspen Institute, the inaugural Special Fellow for the Council of an Uncertain Human Future, and a Visiting Scholar at Clark University, Massachusetts, USA (2024). He has been a Fellow for The New Institute in Hamburg, Germany, and a Visiting Critic-in Residence for the Otis College of Art and Design, Los Angeles (2023). He received an Honorary Doctorate from the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) and has been a Commencement Speaker at two university convocation events. He also received the New Thought Leadership Award 2021 and the Excellence in Ethnocultural Psychotherapy Award at the African Mental Health Summit 2022. Dr. Akomolafe is a Member of the Club of Rome, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts in the UK, and an Ambassador for the Wellbeing Economy Alliance.
For further information
www.bayoakomolafe.net
www.emergencenetwork.org
Historically, many African immigrants anticipated retiring in their respective countries of origin, and cultural bonding, familiarities, and memorable history of home usually draw this. However, the realities are more complex than anticipated, and the factors contributing to this complexity include lack of quality health care, the standard of living, and other realistic issues that may be challenging to achieve such a dream. As immigrants, planning for a future that balances the expectations and reality of aging is crucial. We must ensure that we have solid financial and health security for ourselves and our families. Such a concrete plan would not only safeguard our well-being, but it would secure a stable foundation for our children. We can avoid burdening our children or settling for a poor healthcare system with limited coverage. Mrs. Martina Asong and Mrs Ifeyinwa Dimoriaku are experts in this field to educate our community about this topic. Both guests are financial professionals working with World System Builder. A company that is dedicated to helping people build financial foundations.
Mrs. Martina Asong is a retired teacher from Cameroon. She is a widow and has two grown-up sons. She came to America in 2019 to take care of her grandchildren. She joined the Financial Literacy campaign in September 2022. She joined the campaign for two reasons. The first reason is to contribute her quota towards educating 30 million families by 2030. The second reason is to alleviate her children's financial stress and assist in sponsoring her grandchildren's education. She’s now a licensed member of the team.
Ifeyinwa Okany Dimoriaku is married and has three children. She is a Contract Manager at the Division of School Facilities, New York City Department of Education.
Her educational background is in the field of Architecture. She graduated from the University of Nigeria with a B.Sc and an M.Sc. in Architecture. After lecturing at Enugu State University of Science and Technology, she went for further studies at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada, where she obtained a Master of Advanced Studies in Architecture specializing in the Application of Computers. After her studies in Canada, she returned to Nigeria, where she taught at the University of Nigeria for a while before joining her husband in New York.
Four years ago, she joined the Financial Literacy campaign of World Financial Group/World System Builder and obtained a license as a Life and Health Insurance Agent. Her mission is to build a proper financial foundation for her family and contribute her quota to educating 30 million families by 2030.
During our conversation, both guests talked about their backgrounds and what inspired them to become an insurance agent, mainly working with immigrant families. We discussed the practical and traditional factors influencing health and life insurance choices within the African immigrant community, such as future health plans, health status, family dynamics, immigration status, socioeconomic status, language barriers, etc. We further discuss obstacles immigrant families face in navigating the U.S. health care and insurance systems. Both guests provide information about coverages that would benefit the immigrant community. Please listen and share this vital information.
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FINANCIAL LITERACY WORKSHOP CALENDAR
Happy New Year to our listeners, and welcome to Pansa Pansa Podcast. At Pansa Pansa Podcast, we continue to explore meaningful conversations that contribute to the welfare of our African immigrant communities in the diaspora. Many topics are coming your way that speaks to our needs as we continue to inspire our community.
The topics to explore include retirement planning and the logistics of old age. We will discuss mental health and mental illness and how our cultural background and stigma of mental illness hinder our ability to seek help. I am also inviting a psychiatrist who specializes in addiction and mental health, and the focus group of the conversation would be African immigrant children. The Pansa Pansa Podcast aims to continue to break the barriers on uncomfortable topics, challenge the stigma, and inspire positive changes as we work through the collective growth and well-being of our communities in the diaspora.
My first contact with Judith Folashade Ojo at OAN Organization of Advancement of Nigeria was years ago. Her pleasantness, sociable nature, and desire to connect with her Nigerian roots impressed me. Folashade came from two powerful heritages, African American and Nigeria, specifically Yoruba Heritage. Since I met her, she has always embraced her two heritage. For example, I was invited to Folashade's 40th birthday party, and the whole setup of the event blew me away. There were both Nigerian and African American families and friends at the party. I was blown away by the spread of Nigerian food, including jollof rice, Asaro, pounded yam, and amala, served with Gbegiri and Ewedu. This signature food specifically came from her father's hometown, Ibadan. Folashade dressed in a beautiful dress with a staple Yoruba headtie for this celebration. I have always been curious about children who grow up in a multicultural or a multiracial household. The heartfelt discussion explores the tapestry of culture through Folashade's experience that binds Nigerians and African Americans.
Bio:
Judith Ojo is the Founder and CEO of HR Media & Co., a minority women-owned HR consulting firm based in Manhattan. With over a decade of experience in HR and recruiting, Judith is dedicated to providing human-centered solutions that drive organizational success. She is also the founder of LET'S TALK ALL THINGS HR®, an educational platform designed to support businesses in navigating HR challenges.
Judith has held leadership positions across nonprofit, government, and corporate sectors. In 2022, HR Media & Co. was recognized as a Top 10 Emerging L&D company by Manage HR magazine, and in 2023, Judith earned a spot in Marquis Who's Who in America.
A strong advocate for her community, Judith has been actively involved in Brooklyn, serving as the President of Soroptimist International of NYC, where she has made significant contributions to women's empowerment and community development. Folashade is a dedicated member of OAN, an Organization of Advancement of Nigeria, and the financial secretary of the organization.
On the conversation:
Folashade founded two companies before age 40, and she continues to empower younger generations coming behind. During our conversation, we talked about Folashade's multicultural background and how her two heritage influenced her approach to her work ethic and eventually launching her own company. We discuss the challenges or advantages she encountered in her business due to her two heritages. We dived into her family dynamics and how her two heritages shaped her childhood, focusing on the traditions she grew up with. As an active member of OAN, Folashade discussed her motivation in joining the organization, and she reflected on her experience within the Nigerian community. We talked about her extended family in Nigeria and America and how these connections enriched her understanding of her heritage. We briefly discussed her father's immigrant experience and the challenges he may have faced when he first arrived in America, such as discrimination, loneliness, isolation, cultural adjustment, employment, and opportunities.
When you visit Nigeria Folashade, the Oriki below is the partial praise poetry of Ibadan that may be chant to you hopefully by professional chanter.
Ibadan people are historically known as warriors.
Oriki Ibadan
Ibadan mesi Ogo, nile Oluyole. Ilu Ogunmola, olodogbo keri loju ogun. Ilu Ibikunle alagbala jaya-jaya. Ilu Ajayi, o gbori efon se filafila. Ilu Latosa, Aare-ona kakanfo. Ibadan Omo ajoro sun. Omo a je Igbin yoo, fi ikarahun fo ri mu. Ibadan maja-maja bii tojo kin-in-ni, eyi too ja aladuugbo gbogbo logun, Ibadan ki ba ni s’ore ai mu ni lo s’ogun. Ibadan Kure! Ibadan beere ki o too wo o, ni bi olè gbe n jare olohun. B’Ibadan ti n gbonile bee lo n gba Ajoji. Eleyele lomi ti teru-tomo 'layipo n mu. Asejire lomi abumu-buwe nile Ibadan. A kii waye ki a ma larun kan lara, Ija igboro larun Ibadan.
Dr. Mojúbàolú Olúfúnké Okome is a Social Scientist and a Professor of Political Science, African & Women's Studies at Brooklyn College in NYC. I recently came across the essay written by Dr. Okome titled 'African Immigration to the United States: Dimensions of Migration, Immigration, and Exile.' The essay resonates with some of my discussions on the Pansa Pansa podcast regarding the lack of research focused on African immigrants in the U.S. African immigrants are often grouped with Latino immigrants, African Americans, and other immigrant communities of color. As a result, it overlooks the unique challenges African immigrants face in America. While there are commonalities among these groups, it is essential to recognize the distinct issues that African immigrants encounter. The lack of recognition of African immigrant's experiences underscores the need for more research, and a conversation with Dr. Okome will provide a more precise explanation of this issue, engaging us in the quest for a better understanding.
Bio
Mojúbàolú Olufúnké Okome, PhD is an International Political Economist whose regional specialization is in Africa. Educated at the University of Ibadan, Nigeria, Long Island University, and Columbia University, New York, she's a Professor of Political Science at Brooklyn College, CUNY, past Women's Studies Program Director, and past Deputy Chair for Graduate Studies in Political Science at Brooklyn College. Born in Nigeria, Mojúbàolú has consulted for clients, including the UN and Commonwealth Secretariat in London. Her teaching interests focus on inclusive, equitable citizenship in globalization, democratization, and economic development. Research interests include Gender, Democracy Governance, Post-Colonialism and Modernity, Development and Citizenship in Africa, Globalization, Economic and Political Transformation, and African Diaspora Studies. She founded #BringBackOurGirlsNYC, founded and edits Ìrìnkèrindò: A Journal of African Migration. She has published seven sole-authored and edited books. The latest edited book is Para-Mallam, O., & Okome, M.O. (Eds.). (2023). Gender and Development in Nigeria: Concepts, Issues and Strategies. Kuru, Plateau State, Nigeria: NIPSS Press.
During our conversation, Dr. Okome talked about her background growing up in Lagos, Nigeria, and she detailed her college experience at the University of Ibadan when the university held the students in high esteem. She gave an account of the economic downfall in Nigeria, which resulted in many Nigerians seeking a better life in Europe and in the Western world. Dr. Okome addressed the elephant in the room, 'the brain drain.' Nigeria and other African countries continue to experience a significant brain drain, losing talented and highly educated professionals—such as herself, a political and social scientist, doctor, and engineer who could significantly contribute to the continent's development in many areas. She further explained how the IMF contributes to this economic downfall. In the writing of the essay titled 'African Immigration to the United States: Dimensions of Migration, Immigration, and Exile,' Dr. Okome shared that her personal experience as a Nigerian immigrant shaped her desire to write the essay. During our discussion, she highlighted the assumption that African immigrants are predominantly vendors or work in hair braiding businesses. She further explained how this narrative impacts the broader African immigrant community, particularly those working as professionals or pursuing education, enlightening us on the power of narratives in shaping perceptions.