In this episode of the Tales of Recovery Podcast, I sit down with my friend and former megachurch pastor Ryan Meeks and Michelle to talk about his painful, public journey out of evangelical certainty — through theological doubt, cancer, and the slow return to embodiment and intimacy.
Together we discuss his new book, the gruesome process of awakening, psychedelics, therapy, community, and the couple’s work at Nautilus Integration helping people navigate transformation, relational healing, and spiritual integration rooted in love and presence.
You can order his book their https://nautilusintegration.com/
Here are my thoughts on his written story:
It is a difficult enough process to get out of, or under the constructions and pressure of cultural upbringing and religion.
The questioning, lifting and removing of belief systems is a gruesome, almost pathological fear process in the journey of awakening.
This book seemed so personal to me- not just because I know Ryan and Michele, and the fact that they completely opened, supported and held Julio and myself in our journey.
To be right alongside and behind them during this process of awakening, doubts, fear, grief, what seems like betrayal, and a deeper longing and connection to our true nature and most of all Love, is a treasure I dearly hold on to.
Ryan explains himself in this book with such beauty, compassion and simplicity through this absurdly difficult process.
How he walks through it, and then, on the other side writes about the continuous connection to spirit or to the miraculous unknown that is this beautiful mystery that we are and have the opportunity to experience with such compassion and love.
Life is a Gift and Love is the point was not only a phenomenal reliving of my last 10 years of processing, growth and settling into my body- but an encouragement to anybody out there who’s still in the middle of deciding whether they need to stay under beliefs or become the compost that rebirths, a new breath of understanding how simple life can really be.
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