Helping is human…but learning how to help without losing yourself is healing.
In this bonus clip, Adam Wilson opens up about why helping others has become both his instinct and his biggest boundary challenge. From Costco moments to vulnerable conversations with his son, Adam shares how presence — not presents — is what children and loved ones truly need. We also talk about breaking generational parenting patterns, modeling emotional regulation, and the hard but necessary work of setting boundaries with our own parents.
A thoughtful, honest look at what it really means to grow, give, and protect your peace.
📚 Guest Info
· IG/Tiktok: @Theadamwilson_
· Facebook: Adam J Wilson
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How are you pausing and reflecting this holiday season?
In this reflective solo episode, Dawn pauses as we head into the holidays to share what’s happening across the Work Is Third movement—from the new Bookshop.org list and the Joyful Rebellion playlist to her bi-weekly newsletters and your opportunity to send in voice notes.
Dawn also revisits her favorite guest quotes, emerging themes across the first season, and her own “bonus clip moment” where she answers the same questions she asks every guest:
• What’s easy to say yes to?
• What’s hard to say no to?
• Where is she doing well with joy, rest, and boundaries?
• Where is she still struggling?
She closes with reflections on slowing down, stillness, present bias, perfectionism, listening to your body, and redefining success—plus an invitation to choose joy, protect your peace, and rest this holiday season.
In this episode:
Protecting your joy in hard cultural moments
A preview of the The Joyful Rebellion Reading List at Bookshop.org
The Joyful Rebellion playlist + newsletter updates
Why your voice notes matter and how to send one
Guest quotes Dawn can’t stop thinking about
Top themes emerging across the podcast
Dawn’s personal “bonus clip” answers
What she’s learned about rest, boundaries, stillness, and slowing down
An end-of-year invitation to choose yourself first
Resources Mentioned:
Bookshop list: The Joyful Rebellion Reading List
The Joyful Rebellion newsletter: The Joyful Rebellion — Rest, Boundaries & Workplace Wellbeing
The Joyful Rebellion Spotify Playlist
Send Dawn a voice note
Connect with Dawn and Work is Third!
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🌐workisthird.com
We’re taught to hustle. We’re never taught to heal. That changes in this episode.
Mindset and wellness coach Adam Wilson joins Work Is Third for a powerful and vulnerable conversation about healing, habits, father and mother wounds, breaking generational patterns, and learning to rest. Adam shares how childhood trauma shaped his early life, what pushed him out of tech and into coaching, how he helps men reconnect with their Inner King, and the importance of sleep, routines, rest, and perspective in healing. Together, we explore transitions, self-doubt, boundary-setting—especially with parents—and practical steps to break the cycles we inherited. This episode is a reminder that healing is possible, seasons change, and you always have the power to rewrite your story.
📚 Guest Info
🎶Adam's contribution to The Joyful Rebellion Spotify Playlist: Miguel, Skywalker
📚 Resources Mentioned
💬 Key Quotes
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📂 Section Markers
00:46 Section 1: Life Transitions and Childhood Patterns
25:14 Section 2: Routines, Rest, and Rewriting Your Story
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Navigating Transitions and Embracing Change
02:46 The Power of Mindset and Daily Routines
05:13 Integrating Technology in Coaching
08:11 The Importance of Sleep and Rest
10:49 Creating Healthy Habits and Routines
17:01 Exploring Sleep and Body Awareness
20:08 The Journey to Coaching and Personal Growth
22:34 Understanding Childhood Patterns and Their Impact
25:58 The Role of Male Mentorship and Support
28:35 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Building Confidence
30:07 The Power of Perspective and Reading
37:08 Finding Purpose Beyond a Job
39:47 Embracing Rest and Personal Development
41:03 The Importance of Rest and Recovery
45:13 The Hustle and Heal Podcast Journey
46:29 Setting Boundaries with Family
46:56 Childhood Trauma and Its Impact
48:35 Embracing Uncomfortable Growth
If a 30-minute nap saves your whole day… take the nap.
In this bonus clip, systems strategist and author Averri Simone Liggins shares how she recognizes the early signs of burnout — and the simple practices that help her reset before things spiral. From power naps to prioritizing client work, to delegating and building a support circle, Averri reminds us that systems matter just as much in life as they do in business.
✨ If you’ve been running on empty, this one’s for you.
Listen to the full episode: The Systems You Need to Live Your Best Life
📚 Guest Info
· Autopilot Your Success —Averri’s Book
· Website: www.blackwomenmoguls.com
· Social media: @blackwomenmoguls
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How do you run a business, care for a parent, and thrive with a chronic health condition?
In this heartfelt and practical conversation, systems strategist and author Averri Simone Liggins shares the structures and routines that help her run a thriving business while also serving as a full-time caregiver and navigating chronic health challenges. We talk about the real-world power of systems as tools that make space for joy, boundaries, and taking care of both your future self and your present self.
We dig into:
• Why systems are the secret to more freedom
• How caregiving reshaped her business
• Saying no with confidence
• Managing energy, not just time
• The joy of hobbies, WWE nights, and creative adventures
• And the importance of planning both rest and fun
It’s a conversation full of warmth, wisdom, and real talk about life, business, boundaries, and what it takes to build a life that supports you.
📚 Guest Info
💬 Key Quotes
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📂 Section Markers
01:01 Section 1: Why Systems Matter for Building a Life That Works
23:30 Section 2: Health, Wealth, and Taking Care of Your Future Self
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Systems and Success
01:34 The Birth of 'Autopilot Your Success'
07:10 The Importance of Systems in Business
10:55 Balancing Caregiving and Entrepreneurship
13:43 Listening to Your Body and Planning Breaks
19:24 Building a Business Around Your Life
20:33 Setting Boundaries for Personal Well-being
24:07 Navigating Personal Relationships and Boundaries
28:21 Future Self and Decision Making
29:41 Finding Balance in Life
32:31 Embracing Hobbies and Interests
36:45 Self-Care Practices and Rituals
39:28 The Importance of Exercise and Health
43:06 Navigating Health Challenges
45:09 Setting Boundaries and Saying No
45:16 Delegating and Asking for Help
How do you make time for yourself while still showing up for others?
In this lighthearted and honest bonus clip, Dawn and Lynn swap stories about self-care, boundaries, and the body changes no one warns you about.
From walking the dog and wearing sunscreen to navigating perimenopause and hot flashes in public, Lynn reminds us that taking care of ourselves is a lifelong practice—and humor helps.
This short conversation is a joyful reminder that wellbeing isn’t about perfection. It’s about showing up for yourself, one walk (or one sunscreen application) at a time.
🎶Lynn's additions to The Joyful Rebellion Spotify playlist:
💬 Key Quotes:
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What does it mean to lead with heart—and stay grounded when everything changes?
In this warm and reflective episode, Dawn reconnects with her former boss and friend, Lynn Gallagher, former Secretary of Health for New Mexico.
Together, they share stories of friendship, grief, leadership, and joy—from mismatched earrings and “Power Squad” calls to lessons learned through loss and career transitions. They explore what it means to redefine yourself after leadership, how to lead with kindness and courage, and why who you are matters more than what you do.
This episode is a love letter to strong, compassionate women in leadership and a reminder that staying rooted is one of the bravest things you can do.
🎶Lynn's additions to The Joyful Rebellion playlist:
📘 Books & Resources Mentioned:
💬 Key Quotes:
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📂 Section Markers
01:07 Section 1: From Power Squad to Finding Purpose
24:10 Section 2: The Legacy of Kindness and Leading with Heart
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Reconnecting and Catching Up
02:26 Shared Experiences in Public Health Leadership
06:39 Navigating Grief and Transition in Leadership
10:07 The Impact of Political Changes on Public Health
14:59 Personal Growth and Self-Discovery
17:36 The Legacy of Kindness in Leadership
29:13 The Importance of Rest and Recharge
35:20 Work-Life Balance: Putting Work Third
44:08 Celebrating Growth and Staying True to Yourself
Do you rest hard?
In this Work Is Third bonus clip, Tyneka Pack, founder of Impackt Fitness, reminds us that joy, rest, and boundaries are just as essential to leadership as drive and discipline.
From laughing about her love of cookies to reflecting on what truly brings her childlike joy, Tyneka offers a refreshing take on what it means to fill your own cup. She shares how overbooking herself reminded her to pause, reset, and make time for simple pleasures — because rest isn’t a reward, it’s part of the work.
Guest Info
🎧 Listen to the full episode, Wellness That Works for Women Who Lead, for more on how to sustain your ambition without burning out.
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Is your body strong enough to sustain your ambition?
In this episode, fitness coach and founder of Impackt Fitness, Tyneka Pack, joins Work Is Third to talk about what it really means to sustain your ambition — not just chase it.
From building a body that can carry your vision to embracing mindset shifts and the power of flexibility, Tyneka shares how high-performing women can lead with intention instead of exhaustion. We talk about redefining productivity, honoring your body’s natural rhythms, and how to make movement part of a holistic leadership strategy.
Guest Info
💬Key Quotes
📂 Section Markers
01:06 Section 1: The Body Carries the Vision
23:54 Section 2: Breaks, Mindset Shifts, and the Power of Flexibility
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and Recouping Energy
03:00 Daily Routines and Time Management
05:39 The Journey to Impackt Fitness
09:04 Holistic Approach to Fitness
12:21 Maintaining Personal Wellness
15:50 Recognizing and Managing Burnout
19:11 Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self-Care
22:10 Scheduling Around Energy Levels
28:18 The Importance of Taking Breaks
30:43 Flexibility in Fitness Routines
33:37 Mindset Shifts in Fitness
34:43 Creating Space for Self-Care
37:25 Setting Boundaries with Work
41:26 Creating a Nighttime Routine
44:11 Identifying Joy and Self-Care Challenges
44:25 Time Management and Overbooking Challenges
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Freddy Jackson, founder of the Love...No Ego Foundation, shares how he says yes to love—even when that means saying no to something else. In this short and soulful bonus clip, Freddy talks about protecting his peace, practicing at life, and creating space for what truly matters.
💬 Key Quotes
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What does it mean to live without ego and lead with love?
In this episode, Dawn sits down with Freddy Jackson, inspirational speaker and founder of the Love No Ego Foundation, to explore what it truly means to practice at life. From grounding in nature to creating the conditions for peace, Freddy shares how authenticity, curiosity, and courage shape his work mentoring youth and speaking across the country. This conversation will leave you reflecting on how to meet life as it is—fully, intentionally, and with love.
Guest Info
· Website: https://www.mrlovenoego.org/
· National Love…No Ego Day: https://www.nationaldayarchives.com/day/national-love-no-ego-day
· The Love No Ego Experience: https://www.lovenoego.org/thelneexperience
· SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS @mrlovenoego
IG: https://www.instagram.com/mrlovenoego/
LI: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mrlovenoego
FB: https://www.facebook.com/MrLoveNoEgo/
YT: https://www.youtube.com/mrlovenoego
TT: https://www.tiktok.com/mrlovenoego
Books
o "Love...No Ego, Where Are You Living From?"
o "The Youser's Manual"
Projects: The future "Love No Ego, Youth Community Park"
Events: https://www.mrlovenoego.org/speakingevents
💬 Key Quotes
📂 Section Markers
01:16 Section 1: Practicing Life and the Power of Presence
21:28 Section 2: Creating the Conditions for Peace and the Courage to Be You
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and Connection to Nature
02:37 The Importance of Being Present
06:55 Understanding the Love No Ego Philosophy
10:47 Teaching Kids About Ego
13:49 Creating Conditions for Success
17:01 The Power of Now and Personal Responsibility
20:49 Challenges as Opportunities for Growth
24:16 The Disconnect from Childhood Joy
28:22 Reflections on Life's Journey
28:51 The Courage to Be Authentic
30:59 Navigating Midlife Crises
32:05 Daily Practices for Inner Peace
33:52 Creating a Serene Environment
35:53 The Importance of Grounding
38:02 Time Confetti: Managing Life's Distractions
40:16 Removing Physical and Emotional Clutter
42:46 Intentional Living and Self-Reflection
43:28 Personal Reflections on Love and Acceptance
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Does your calendar spark joy?
In this short, joy-filled clip, Jen Sacks, host of Small Things, Big Life, shares her take on Yes Days, saying no, and why her calendar glows bright yellow for workouts and joy.
Dawn and Jen talk about parenting, boundaries, and the simple rituals that bring balance — like giving yourself permission to say yes to what matters most and no to what drains your energy.
It’s a lighthearted reminder that self-care doesn’t have to be complicated — sometimes it’s just a pop of color and a block of time that says, this is for me.
Guest Info
· Website: https://www.smallthingsbig.life/
· Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576508242635
· Instagram: @small.things.big.life (https://www.instagram.com/small.things.big.life/)
· LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-sacks
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When was the last time you really slowed down?
In this conversation, Dawn sits down with Jen Sacks, host of Small Things, Big Life, to explore what it really means to pause, let go, and trust the messy middle. After nearly 20 years in the federal workforce, Jen is navigating a new season—learning how to rest without guilt, create new routines, and embrace the beauty of uncertainty.
Together, they unpack the tension between stillness and productivity, the joy that comes from small steps, and how transitions can become sacred opportunities for mending and healing. This episode is a gentle reminder that slowing down isn’t a sign of stopping—it’s how we find our way forward.
Guest Info
💬 Key Quotes
📂 Section Markers
01:16 Section 1: The Power of Pause Amid Transition
27:25 Section 2: Being Better Leaders and Better Humans
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Navigating Transitions and Emotions
03:27 The Importance of Self-Care and Mindfulness
06:07 Finding Balance in Life and Work
08:57 The Challenge of Productivity and Rest
11:36 Creating Structure in a Flexible Life
14:35 Embracing Imperfection and Messiness
30:27 Navigating Household Dynamics
33:20 Understanding Personal Preferences in Relationships
35:29 The Importance of Communication in Relationships
38:07 Leadership and Team Dynamics
40:52 The Human Element in Leadership
43:29 Creating Joyful Connections
44:54 Intentional Pauses for Personal Growth
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Feeling tired or stretched thin? This one’s your reminder to listen to your body and make room for the magic that comes when you rest.
In this bonus clip, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi reminds us: “There's so many amazing things in this world to experience if we allow ourselves this space to do it.”The magic is in listening to your body, honoring what feels right, and letting go when it’s time to make room for something new.
✨ A conversation about changing rhythms, redefining rest, and making space for the magic.
💬 Key Quotes
Guest Info
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What if success wasn’t the goal—but joy was?
In this uplifting episode, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi joins Dawn to explore what it means to create a soft life filled with alignment, curiosity, and celebration. Together they unpack burnout recovery, the myths of hustle culture, and how to rehydrate your “dreaming gland.”
From roller coasters to rest, Rashidat reminds us that we can plan our joy just as intentionally as our achievements—and that being gentle with ourselves is the most radical act of all.
Guest Info
💬 Key Quotes
📂 Section Markers
01:04 Section 1: Rediscovering What Makes You Come Alive25:12 Section 2: Alignment, Celebration, and Joy in Practice
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Rashidat's Journey
02:33 The Importance of Rest and Slow Travel
05:24 Understanding and Preventing Burnout
08:08 Mindset Shifts for Fulfillment
11:18 The Journey of Self-Discovery
13:59 Creating a Life of Joy and Adventure
17:00 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
19:42 The Process of Personal Growth
22:19 Celebrating Small Wins
25:16 Aligning Life with Personal Values
30:46 Embracing Change and Curiosity
32:06 The Roller Coaster of Life
35:16 Theme Park Adventures and Joyful Experiences
38:29 Finding Joy Amidst Uncertainty
40:27 Living Beyond Restrictions
43:21 Reimagining Work and Life Post-COVID
44:22 Creating Space for Magic and Evolution
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How do you keep growing when life already feels full?
In this bonus clip, Dawn and Jayden Aubryn explores what it means to stay curious, expressive, and grounded. From redefining continuing education to embracing creativity and self-reflection, this short conversation is full of reminders to celebrate progress—not perfection.
Guest Info
💬 Key Quote
“There's so many different ways to engage with continuingeducation.”
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What if healing meant moving your body — joyfully, messily,and without judgment?
In this episode, psychotherapist, personal trainer, and founder of Chaotic Healing, Jayden Aubryn joins Dawn to explore what it means to live intentionally, move intuitively, and reject all-or-nothing thinking. From their “Twerk for Trauma” course to their reflections on grief, celebration, and creative freedom, Jayden reminds us that healing doesn’t have to be linear — it just has to be yours.
Together, they talk about the power of embodiment, the traps of productivity and perfectionism, and why reframing “good vs. bad” into “helpful vs. harmful” might be the most compassionate boundary you can set.
Guest Info
💬 Key Quotes
📚 Resources Mentioned
📂 Section Markers
01:05 Section 1: Embodied Intentions and Rhythms of Life
26:19 Section 2: Healing, Creativity, and Redefining Success
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Chaotic Healing and Compassionate Science
03:44 Finding Balance in Work and Life
06:32 Intentionality and Goal Setting
09:26 The Role of Movement in Healing
12:04 Exploring Dance as a Therapeutic Tool
14:51 Redefining Professionalism in Dance and Art
26:22 The Value of Art Beyond Capitalism
29:29 Expressing Creativity in Small Moments
31:20 Understanding Grief and Celebration
34:55 Healing Through Emotional Complexity
37:35 Defining Personal Goals and Values
41:35 Navigating Work-Life Balance
45:55 Empowering Choices and Self-Reflection
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Want more energy? Start delegating!
In this bonus clip from Work is Third, Danielle Roberts — the Anti-Career Coach — shares how outsourcing and delegation aren’t just for leaders, they’re for anyone who wants to protect their energy. From grocery delivery to hiring an assistant, Danielle and I talk about why letting go of certain tasks is a game-changer for boundaries, wellbeing, and joy.
💬Key Quote
"If you can outsource one thing to give yourself more energy or more capacity back, do it before you think that you need to."
✍🏽Guest Info
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Do you have the audacity to live life on your own terms?
Danielle Roberts, known as the Anti-Career Coach, joins me for a raw and inspiring conversation about redefining our relationship to work, navigating grief, and choosing authenticity. Danielle shares her journey of becoming sober, the lessons she’s carried from losing her mom at a young age, and how those experiences shaped her philosophy on work, joy, and boundaries.
We explore the toxicity of hustle culture, why leadership training is desperately lacking, how women can align work with their natural cycles, and the importance of creating community and psychological safety in the workplace. This is an episode about audacity, authenticity, and learning to live a life you’re proud of — not just a career.
📚 Resources Mentioned
· TEDx Talk: Why Working Harder Isn't Working by Danielle Roberts
· Website: danielleroberts.co
· Socials: @imdanielleroberts
· Atlas of the Heart by Brené Brown
· We Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Rodgers
· The Top Five Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware
✨ Key Quotes
📂 Section Markers
01:05 Section 1: Astonished, Authentic, and Breaking Hustle Culture
26:03 Section 2: Grief, Growth, and Living with Audacity
📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps
02:36 The Journey to Sobriety
05:33 Mindful Practices for Well-Being
08:15 Understanding Menstrual Cycles and Work
10:57 Challenging Workplace Norms
13:38 Leadership and Management Gaps
16:15 Creating a Supportive Work Environment
19:08 The Importance of Human Connection
22:02 Quality of Life and Work-Life Balance
24:24 Reflections on Mortality and Life Choices
31:38 The Quest for Validation and Acceptance
36:42 Unlearning Childhood Programming
39:53 Listening to Your Intuition
45:00 Embracing Authenticity in Professional Spaces
47:13 The Power of Audacity
48:45 Finding Balance Beyond Work
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Do you have days where you just can't do it all?
In this bonus clip, Cassandra Hill reminds us of the power of boundaries. Sometimes saying no is the most faithful yes you can give yourself.
She shares how seasons of life impact our choices, the tension between good opportunities and divine purpose, and the importance of protecting your capacity.
A reminder we all need: you can’t do it all — and you don’t have to.
💬 Key Quote
Guest Info
Website: www.cassandrarhill.com
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