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Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Stacia Garr & Dani Johnson
117 episodes
23 hours ago
At RedThread, we love data—but we know stories are what stick. That’s why we bring together thinkers, writers, leaders, and practitioners to share real-world insights about what works in the workplace, what they’ve learned, and where the future of work is headed. We keep it insightful, thought-provoking, and maybe even a little irreverent.

But we don’t stop at conversations. Our research, events, and community turn insights into action, helping organizations and individuals navigate the changing world of work.

Want to be part of the conversation? Join our community for free and connect with others shaping the future of work.

Learn more about RedThread Research here: https://redthreadresearch.com/home 
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At RedThread, we love data—but we know stories are what stick. That’s why we bring together thinkers, writers, leaders, and practitioners to share real-world insights about what works in the workplace, what they’ve learned, and where the future of work is headed. We keep it insightful, thought-provoking, and maybe even a little irreverent.

But we don’t stop at conversations. Our research, events, and community turn insights into action, helping organizations and individuals navigate the changing world of work.

Want to be part of the conversation? Join our community for free and connect with others shaping the future of work.

Learn more about RedThread Research here: https://redthreadresearch.com/home 
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Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
HR in the Age of AI: Cole Napper on People Analytics, Generative AI, and Redefining Value
In this episode, Stacia and Dani sit down once again with Cole Napper, author of “People Analytics: Using Data-Driven HR and Gen AI as a Business Asset.” A year after his first appearance, Cole returns with bold insights about the seismic changes facing HR and people analytics, and why now is the time to rethink how we define value in the workplace.

Cole argues that the future of HR depends on shedding its transactional skin and embracing a new, data-driven paradigm. He discusses why traditional models like Dave Ulrich’s COE framework won’t survive the decade, how organizations can “discorrelate” from market forces by proving business value, and why fear, not technology, is the biggest obstacle to transformation. 

With sharp humor and evidence from his own research, Cole makes the case for a redefined HR: one that blends human strategy with AI-powered intelligence to drive growth, not just efficiency.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
[00:00] Building a new HR paradigm in the Gen AI era.
[06:00] Why people analytics hit its “identity crisis” after 2022.
[12:00] How to prove HR’s business value beyond metrics.
[19:00] The decline of the Ulrich HR model and what replaces it.
[24:00] The future of AI-driven workforce transformation.
[33:00] The tension between the HR and finance worldviews.
[46:00] Why data infrastructure is suddenly “sexy” again.
[52:00] Three possible futures for HR in the next decade.

Building a New Paradigm for People Analytics
Cole’s new book calls for a reset in how organizations use data, not as an isolated reporting function but as a business accelerator. He reveals how people analytics can move from being “scorekeepers” to strategic partners by tackling the questions behind the questions: Why is it happening? What should we do about it? His message is clear, analytics must tie directly to revenue, cost, or risk reduction, or it’s just a hobby.

The End of HR as We Know It
Cole predicts that the Ulrich model, the long-standing HR framework of COEs, service centers, and HRBPs, won’t survive the coming decade. As generative AI automates much of HR’s transactional work, only the strategic and human elements will remain. He and the hosts debate what should stay human and what can be delegated to machines, exploring the fine line between technological efficiency and organizational soul.

AI, Accountability, and the Future of Work
Cole cautions that while AI’s potential is vast, it cannot replace human accountability. Drawing a parallel with the evolution of chess, he argues that AI will transform HR’s “game,” not erase it. The goal isn’t to align around AI as a tool, but to use it to unlock entirely new possibilities in how we work, learn, and grow.

Infrastructure, Not Illusion
For all the hype, Cole reminds leaders that the foundation of AI success lies in data infrastructure, “the least sexy but most essential lever.” Without it, organizations risk failure in the next wave of transformation. Investing in data quality, architecture, and scalability today determines who thrives, or disappears, tomorrow.

Resources & People Mentioned

  • People Analytics: Using Data-Driven HR and Gen AI as a Business Asset by Cole Napper

Connect with Cole Napper

  • Cole on LinkedIn

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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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23 hours ago
1 hour

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Eight Levers for the Future: Lori Niles-Hoffman on Reimagining EdTech Transformation
In this episode of Workplace Stories, we sit down with Lori Niles-Hoffman, global learning strategist, EdTech advisor, and author of The Eight Levers of EdTech Transformation. With over 25 years of experience implementing large-scale learning systems, Lori brings a no-nonsense, deeply human perspective to how organizations can thrive at the intersection of technology, data, and talent.

Lori reveals why EdTech success isn’t about shiny tools, it’s about mastering eight foundational levers that determine whether your learning strategy creates value or chaos. From ecosystem thinking to stakeholder management, she explains how leaders can future-proof learning strategies through data, design, and disciplined experimentation.

You’ll hear candid insights on how AI is reshaping L&D, not by changing the rules, but by exposing where we’ve been weak all along. Lori also shares why the “backend just got sexy,” and how the next competitive edge won’t come from beautiful interfaces, but from the quality of data and insights driving them.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
[00:00] The eight levers shaping EdTech transformation.
[06:00] Lessons from 25 years in enterprise learning systems.
[09:00] Why most L&D tech investments fail before they start.
[14:00] The rise of data literacy and “sexy backends” in learning design.
[17:00] Why clean data matters more than new tool.
[24:00] A breakdown of the eight levers and how they work together.
[29:00] Stakeholder management and ecosystem thinking in practice.
[35:00] The new role of AI in exposing weak learning strategies.
[39:00] Why skills, not titles, will define the future of learning.
[41:00] The human side of transformation: keeping people at the center.

The Future of Learning Isn’t About Tech, It’s About Leverage
Lori’s framework flips the script on how organizations approach learning transformation. Rather than starting with technology, she urges leaders to first clarify their target operating model, data readiness, and stakeholder relationships. The result? Smarter decisions, stronger credibility, and sustainable change.

Her book’s eight levers, ranging from content strategy to ecosystem alignment, help leaders navigate the “medium term” (through 2028) of rapid evolution in learning technology. As Lori puts it, the goal isn’t to adopt AI or automation for their own sake, it’s to make learning adaptive, outcomes-focused, and undeniably relevant.

Data, Ecosystems, and the “Sexy Backend”
Forget fancy dashboards, Lori believes the true revolution is happening behind the scenes. As user interfaces disappear and voice or text prompts replace them, differentiation will come from data governance, interoperability, and predictive insights. The backend, she says, is now where strategy lives.

She emphasizes that AI doesn’t change the levers, it exposes their weaknesses. The organizations winning in this new era will be those that invest in clean data, aligned systems, and smart stakeholder engagement.Skills as the Spine of the Future WorkforceAmong the eight levers, Lori highlights skills as the “spine” connecting every other element of learning strategy.

She challenges L&D professionals to stop chasing shiny taxonomies and instead treat skills like a supply chain, measured, managed, and constantly replenished. The goal isn’t just mobility or efficiency; it’s resilience.

Resources & People Mentioned

  • L&D Tech Ecosystem 2020
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2 weeks ago
42 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Three Futures for Learning: How AI Is Rewriting L&D with Donald H. Taylor and Eglė Vinauskaitė
Just two years ago, AI was a shiny new object in L&D, with most professionals dabbling in small pilots and content creation experiments. The latest findings reveal an inflection point: the majority of L&D teams are now actively using AI, not merely testing it.

This week, on the podcast are Donald H. Taylor and Eglė Vinauskaitė, the minds behind a groundbreaking new report, "AI & Learning 2025: Race for Impact." We’re exploring the rapid changes AI is bringing to Learning and Development (L&D), from early experimentation to widespread implementation, and what it means for the future of work.

In this conversation, you’ll hear about the three distinct futures for L&D departments, how AI is moving beyond simple content creation into qualitative analytics and adaptive learning, and why team culture and leadership are crucial for success. We also dig into some big philosophical questions: How do we keep humans at the center of tech-driven workplaces? And how will AI reshape the very definition of value in L&D?

This episode is packed with insights, data, and stories from organizations at the forefront of change. So, get ready to rethink how learning happens and how impactful workplace transformation can be.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • [00:00] How AI is transforming Learning and Development.
  • [05:40] Transition from experimentation to mainstream implementation of AI in L&D.
  • [13:31] Debunking the maturity model.
  • [16:03] AI integration culture in organizations.
  • [25:07] AI's impact on L&D values.
  • [38:54] Necessity for L&D to demonstrate clear impact and unique value beyond content.
  • [47:36] Leadership Beyond the L&D silo.
  • [52:25] Introduction of the “transformation triangle”: three potential strategic futures.
The Rapid Evolution of AI in L&D
AI usage still predominantly supports content creation and design, but there’s an intriguing rise in more sophisticated applications, especially data analysis, dynamic feedback, and even AI-driven coaching. For L&D leaders, the big question is no longer “should we use AI?” but “how can we use it to unlock deeper value for our organizations?”

What Sets Successful L&D Teams Apart?
A critical insight from the report is the role of mindset and organizational culture in successful AI adoption. Teams thriving with AI aren’t necessarily bigger or better-resourced; they are “open” teams, led by individuals who embrace risk, imperfect information, and proactive change. These leaders are comfortable experimenting without knowing all the answers, an essential trait for the current landscape.

True transformation requires more than tech skills; it demands business acumen, a robust understanding of performance, and an ability to integrate learning with business strategy. L&D teams must move from being passive order-takers to strategic partners, actively shaping how people develop and perform.

AI: Threat or Opportunity for Traditional L&D Roles?
For some, the rise of AI in learning is unnerving. Tasks once considered core, like instructional design or content creation, can increasingly be automated, often cheaper and faster than before. Taylor cautions that unless L&D professionals shift their value proposition from content production to driving true impact, their roles risk being diminished or redefined.

But there is an opportunity for L&D to expand its influence. Rather than being relegated to the background, teams can now focus on performance support, skills stewardship, and facilitating human growth, areas where strategic thinking and deep expertise are critical and cannot be automated away.

Three Futures for L&D: Skills Authority, Enablement...
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4 weeks ago
1 hour 6 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Believability: The Secret to AI Adoption in Learning
Artificial Intelligence is transforming corporate learning, but not every organization is doing it in ways that employees actually trust. In this episode of Workplace Stories, we talk with Peter Manniche Riber, Digital Learning & AI Leader, about how his team built AI-powered learning tools that employees truly believe in.

From creating the “Dilemma Coach” and “IDP Coach” to redefining personalization and data privacy, Peter demonstrates what happens when innovation is combined with practicality, and why sometimes the smartest move is to build, rather than buy.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • [00:00] Why “believability” is the key to AI adoption.
  • [04:50] How Novo Nordisk’s “Dilemma Coach” and “IDP Coach” came to life.
  • [09:00] Why less data, and the right data, creates better personalization.
  • [17:00] Balancing privacy, ethics, and personalization in AI learning.
  • [25:30] Working with works councils and data regulators early.
  • [33:00] Scaling learning equity and access across global teams.
  • [39:40] What AI means for strategic workforce planning.
  • [41:30] Peter’s advice for L&D leaders ready to experiment with AI.

The Power of “Believability” in AI Learning

At Novo Nordisk, Peter’s team coined a simple but powerful concept, believability. It means people will only engage with AI tools if they recognize themselves and their context in the experience. Through hundreds of user tests, they found that when an AI response feels personal and relevant, adoption skyrockets.Rather than hoarding corporate data, they ask employees directly about their goals, challenges, and career aspirations. This approach not only keeps data secure but also ensures every interaction feels real, human, and trustworthy.

Why Novo Nordisk Built Its Own AI Tools
When it came to designing learning applications, Peter’s team decided to build rather than buy. The reason? Control, context, and compliance. Off-the-shelf tools couldn’t meet Novo Nordisk’s strict privacy standards or reflect its unique leadership culture. By developing internally, the team could train AI on company-specific frameworks, design intuitive UX guardrails, and maintain full ownership of their data, while spending less than a handful of traditional e-learning modules would cost.

Redefining Data and Trust
Instead of scraping internal systems, Peter’s philosophy is simple: ask people. Employees willingly provide fresh, accurate context when they understand how it’s used. Transparency and consent are baked into the process, with large-font screens explaining how data is handled and why it matters.The result? Nearly 90% of employees feel completely safe using these tools, a remarkable trust level for AI-driven systems inside a regulated, global company.

The Future of L&D and AI Experimentation
Peter’s message to learning leaders: stop waiting for perfection and start experimenting. You don’t need a massive budget or a team of data scientists to create meaningful AI applications. What you need is curiosity, clear hypotheses, and the courage to learn by doing.AI won’t replace thoughtful design or human judgment, but it can unlock a new era of personalized, scalable, and believable learning.

Resources & People Mentioned
  • Novo Nordisk
Connect with Peter Manniche Riber
  • LinkedIn: Peter Manniche Riber

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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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1 month ago
43 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Moving HR from Support to Strategic Driver with Nadia Uberoi
On the show this week, Nadia Uberoi, Head of People at Garner Health, joins us to explore how HR can move beyond compliance to become a solution-centric and outcome-driven function, aligning closely with the business’s mission and deliverables.

Nadia shares practical details on how Garner Health has developed agile people systems and cultivated a high-candor culture rooted in real-time feedback and organizational transparency. We discuss how conscious alignment between HR and business strategy depends on both robust systems and hiring people with the right agile mindset.

You’ll hear more about Nadia’s unique approach to performance management, Garner’s decision to publicly share 360 feedback, and how a culture of candor empowers everyone, not just HR, to take ownership of change. Nadia also offers an inside look at the mechanics of building and scaling an intentional organizational culture, and the lessons she’s learned from fast-growing companies.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • [05:16] Aligning HR with business strategy and high candor cultures.
  • [07:28] Seeking CEO buy-in for strategic alignment.
  • [10:37] Balance short-term solutions and long-term infrastructure planning.
  • [13:48] Focus on continuous improvement and clarity of responsibilities.
  • [21:23] Quarterly planning with smaller, manageable initiatives enables better adaptability and faster impact.
  • [29:04] Real-time feedback improved HR-business alignment by enabling quick adjustments.
  • [33:31] Real-time feedback and collaboration enable immediate improvements.
  • [48:22] Intentionally build and systematize culture for business impact.
Resources & People Mentioned

  • Principles by Ray Dalio
  • Lattice
  • Garner Health   

Connect with Nadia Uberoi 

  • Nadia Uberoi on LinkedIn 
Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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1 month ago
50 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Making Skills the Currency of Opportunity with Haley Glover
Haley Glover, Senior Director of UpSkill America at the Aspen Institute, is on a mission to build a world where skills—not degrees or pedigrees—are the primary currency of career opportunity.

In this expansive conversation, she challenges organizations to think bigger, arguing that investing in frontline workers isn't just a corporate responsibility but a societal imperative that strengthens communities and economies alike.

Glover shares her vision for a future where "all learning counts," and individuals own their skills data, freeing it from the silos of employers and academic institutions.

Listen in for a dose of realistic optimism on one of the most complex—and human—challenges in the world of work today.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • [00:00] Intro.
  • [03:34] Why skills are a societal issue, not just a corporate one.
  • [13:31] Building a realistic ROI case for skills investments.
  • [19:32] The "All Learning Counts" vision for skills recognition.
  • [24:01] Why the next decade of skills innovation will be "messy."
  • [27:56] The cultural blockades preventing a skills-first hiring revolution.
  • [36:11] The evolving role and responsibility of the employer.
  • [42:25] A real-world example of a company getting it right.

Resources & People Mentioned
  • UpSkill America at the Aspen Institute
  • James By Percival Everett
  • The Brothers K by David James Duncan

Connect with Haley Glover
  • Haley Glover on LinkedIn 

Connect With Red Thread Research
  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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2 months ago
47 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Doing More With Less: Serena Gonsalves-Fersch on Lean Talent Teams and Big Impact
Dr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch, Global Head of Talent and Academy, shares her refreshingly candid perspective on the evolving role of Learning and Development (L&D) in today’s organizations.

You’ll hear her challenge traditional approaches to employee learning, advocate for seamless integration between learning, talent, DEIB, and performance, and call out industry complacency.

Serena also shares how her small but mighty team serves 14,000 employees across the globe by staying closely attuned to actual business needs and leveraging the power of data and AI—not just for content creation, but for true predictive insights.

Listen in for a fascinating discussion that covers everything from the purpose of L&D, how technology is reshaping talent strategies, to the importance of connecting learning directly to organizational impact.  

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • [00:00] Integrated learning & talent strategy.
  • [09:10] Rethinking organizational learning approaches.
  • [21:47] Defining HR's role in automation.
  • [29:04] Streamlining your learning and development team.
  • [31:23] Creating GCP learning journeys.
  • [34:49] Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in workplace policy.
  • [40:34] AI's Role in boosting efficiency and elevating humanity.
  • [47:08] Organizations as continuous learners.

Resources & People Mentioned

  • Curious Advantage by Paul Ashcroft, Simon Brown and Garrick Jones
  • The 70:20:10 Institute
  • Lori Niles-Hofmann on LinkedIn
  • Jay Wetterau on LinkedIn 
  • Nigel Paine 
  • Learning Technologies Awards 

Connect with Dr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch

  • Dr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch, FLPI on LinkedIn 

Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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3 months ago
49 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Building Trust Through Vulnerability: How Zane Zumbahlen Leads Transformational Change
In this episode of Workplace Stories, we sit down with Zane Zumbahlen, Chief People Officer at Wedgwood Veterinary Pharmacy, to explore how vulnerability in leadership can catalyze organizational change.

With a 30-year career spanning IBM, CTCA, and global roles in Sweden and Japan, Zane shares candid stories that reveal the power of low-ego, high-confidence leadership. From active listening sessions that rebuilt trust among skeptical managers to structural programs that flipped the risk equation for women leaders, Zane's journey is a masterclass in how HR leaders can move from intention to impactful systems.

His approach blends authenticity, experimentation, and a relentless drive to make things better, one conversation at a time.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (00:00) Intro
  • (04:21) How vulnerability accelerates trust and change.
  • (12:45) The real-life risks of emotional leadership.
  • (18:50) Driving systemic transformation from the HR seat.
  • (22:33) A roadmap for active listening that leads to measurable action.
  • (35:10) Building female leadership pipelines in risk-averse cultures.
  • (47:52) Examples of HR-led innovation across global contexts.
  • (56:15) Rethinking how credibility and compassion coexist in leadership.

Resources & People Mentioned:
  • Wedgwood Veterinary Pharmacy
  • Adam Grant on Personal Branding and Trust


Connect with Zane Zumbahlen:
  • LinkedIn: Zane Zumbahlen

Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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3 months ago
43 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Beyond Training: How to Prove L&D Isn’t Just Overhead: Dr. Keith Keating
Many organizations see learning and development (L&D) as a cost center rather than a strategic driver of value, but what if that mindset is costing them far more than they realize?

In this episode, Dr. Keith Keating explains why we’re moving from a “knowledge economy” to a “value economy,” where it’s not what we know but what we do with it that matters.

He shares practical ways for L&D teams to make their impact visible, bridging the disconnect with CFOs and earning a seat at the strategy table. Through his own journey from high-school dropout to Chief Learning Officer, Keith challenges learning leaders to see themselves as problem-solvers and value creators. 

He offers frameworks like the Value Creation Compass to help map L&D’s role in business growth, resilience, and customer value, showing that when L&D stays hidden, organizations lose far more than training budgets: they lose adaptability and talent. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • (00:00) Intro.
  • (00:22) Keith’s background and why his book matters.
  • (04:58) The shift to a value economy for L&D.
  • (08:50) Keith’s personal journey from dropout to leader.
  • (15:10) Economic, personal, and societal value explained.
  • (19:30) Four key disconnects between L&D and CFOs.
  • (25:40) The Value Creation Compass model.
  • (39:20) Risks if L&D’s value stays hidden.

Resources & People Mentioned

  • https://www.bdo.ca/en-ca/
  • Hidden Value by Dr. Keith Keating

Connect with Dr. Keith Keating

  • Connect with Dr. Keith Keating on LinkedIn


Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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4 months ago
53 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Stop Guessing: How J&J Gets Precise About Skills w/ Bas Debbink
Most organizations claim to care about employee development, but upon closer examination, their approach to skills is often vague, subjective, or downright confusing. They might assume people will simply "figure it out" on the job or resort to one-size-fits-all training. If you've ever wondered why your learning investments don’t seem to translate into impact, it might be because you’re still guessing when it comes to skills.

Today, you’ll hear how Johnson & Johnson’s tech organization stopped playing the guessing game. With clear processes to identify, assess, and verify skills, both digital and power skills, they’re not just hoping development happens; they’re engineering it. You'll learn how they use both talent leader insight and AI-driven inference to build a skills-based ecosystem that actually works, without overwhelming employees or managers.

By the end of the conversation, it’s clear this isn’t about chasing trends. It’s about building a practical, scalable system that aligns employee growth with business needs and helps people know, with confidence, exactly what’s next in their development journey. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • (00:00) Intro.
  • (02:32) Bas’s career path and transition into L&D.
  • (05:08) Structure and priorities of J&J’s tech learning organization.
  • (09:00) How J&J defines, identifies, and verifies critical skills.
  • (17:34) Messaging, buy-in, and the cultural side of skill building.
  • (23:47) How AI and tech are reshaping development and learning systems.

Resources & People Mentioned

  • https://fortune.com
  • https://degreed.com

Connect with Bas Debbink

  • Connect with Bas Debbink on LinkedIn

Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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5 months ago
36 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Leadership as a System, Not a Trait, with Cher Murphy
In this episode of Workplace Stories, Dani Johnson talks with Cher Murphy, Partner, Head of People+Talent Practice at ON Partner, founder of The Murphy Advisory, and faculty member at Pepperdine and the University of Michigan. Drawing from her deep experience in executive coaching and leadership development, Cher shares how leadership is evolving in response to rapid technological, political, and organizational change. She emphasizes that while AI and data can enhance decision-making, human traits like discernment, empathy, and the ability to communicate clearly remain irreplaceable. Leaders today must move from a mindset of control to one of clarity, especially as strategic planning windows shorten and collaboration across functions becomes essential.

Cher also reflects on the erosion of trust in organizations and how leaders can rebuild it through transparency, consistency, and shared logic. She introduces the concept of leadership as a system—not just a set of traits—which, when embedded across all levels of an organization, can outlast any one individual. The conversation touches on the future of leadership development, the convergence of people functions, and how leaders can balance data and intuition to make better decisions. Ultimately, Cher makes a compelling case that strong leadership is still—at its core—a deeply human endeavor.
You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (00:00) — Intro & Cher’s background
  • (04:00) — Leadership mindsets, speed, and trust
  • (12:00) — Rebuilding trust & communication challenges
  • (20:00) — Structural shifts and cross-functional collaboration
  • (26:00) — AI’s role, human skills, and decision-making
  • (32:00) — Universal leadership traits & leadership as a system
  • (39:00) — Succession, culture fit, and final reflections on meaning


Resources & People Mentioned

  • https://www.onpartners.com
  • https://www.jeffwetzler.com

Connect with Cher Murphy

  • Connect with Cher Murphy on LinkedIn


Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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5 months ago
44 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Why Your Strategic Plan Might Be Trapping You, with Lisa Kay Solomon and Jeffrey Rogers
Most leadership development still clings to certainty, quarterly goals, strategic plans, official futures etched in stone. But what if that mindset isn’t just outdated, it’s dangerous? In this episode, Dani Johnson and Stacia Garr sit down with futurists and experience designers Lisa Kay Solomon and Jeff Rogers, two minds helping rewire how leaders think about the future, not as a distant unknown, but as a daily design challenge. What unfolds is a conversation that’s as practical as it is provocative, revealing how our obsession with predictability might be blinding us to the signals we most need to see.

For learning leaders, especially those in HR and people analytics, this episode offers a wake-up call. Future thinking isn’t a luxury or a moonshot exercise. It’s a leadership muscle, and the longer it goes untrained, the more fragile our organizations become. Lisa and Jeff unpack what it really means to design for the future, not just in abstract vision decks, but in how we design meetings, questions, experiences, and even relationships. Their approach is grounded in curiosity, humility, and a radical shift from answers to inquiry.

By the end, listeners don’t just understand why futures thinking matters, they feel invited to do something about it. The conversation offers not just hope, but tools: from rethinking design as a vehicle for emergence, to spotting and disrupting “official futures” inside their own organizations. Whether you’re planning your next L&D initiative or shaping strategy for a shifting workforce, this episode shows you how to lead with intention, not from the past, but toward what’s possible.

 You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (00:00) The overlooked leadership skill hiding in plain sight.
  • (03:30) Meet the minds behind Elevate: Futurists with a purpose.
  • (09:00) From theory to traction: Making futures thinking useful now.
  • (15:00) Design that disrupts: How to spark new thinking in any room.
  • (22:00) The silent trap: How a single “official future” keeps orgs stuck.
  • (30:40) Elevate’s true mission: Courage, connection, and change for learning leaders.

Resources & People Mentioned
  • https://lisakaysolomon.com
  • https://rdcl.is/

Connect with Lisa & Jeff
  • Connect with Jeffrey Rogers on LinkedIn
  • Connect with Lisa Kay Solomon on LinkedIn

Connect With Red Thread Research
  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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6 months ago
48 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
"Wait, You Still Make People Fill Out HR Forms?" with Josh Novelle
Many teams don’t realize how much time their people are losing to repetitive tasks and clunky systems. From filling out HR forms to bouncing between platforms, what’s called “employee experience” often adds up to unnecessary friction. The real problem? No one’s questioning whether those steps need to exist at all. There’s an unspoken assumption that better design means more interface, more features, more engagement. But what if the most valuable tech quietly solved problems in the background, no logins, no dropdowns, no disruption?

Josh Novelle, Global Head of People Solutions at Convatec, argues that it’s time to rethink how we define value in HR tech. In his world, the best tools don’t ask people to step out of their workday to interact with them, they fit invisibly into the flow. He points out how incentives from vendors often run counter to what organizations need, and how this misalignment quietly drains productivity. From nudging employees to use their leave before burnout hits, to questioning why booking time off isn’t already embedded in your calendar, he challenges long-held assumptions with clear, practical alternatives.

This conversation goes beyond tool choices. It raises a bigger question: what if your systems could work together behind the scenes to deliver support without demanding attention? As the boundaries between work, systems, and experience blur, the teams that win won't be the ones with the flashiest platforms. They'll be the ones who make their tech nearly disappear. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • (00:00) Redefining employee experience beyond HR systems.
  • (08:50) Choosing tech partners and surfacing vendor misalignment.
  • (18:00) The rise of headless tech and middleware's quiet power.
  • (27:10) Subtle interventions that reduce burnout.
  • (35:00) Where AI fits into employee experience.
  • (44:30) Why leadership development fails without operational alignment.


Resources & People Mentioned

  • https://www.convatecgroup.com
  • https://www.learningtechnologies.co.uk

Connect with Josh Novelle

  • Connect with Josh Novelle on LinkedIn


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6 months ago
52 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
AI’s Not the Problem - It’s How You Use It, with Jeremy Broome of VISA
Most conversations about AI in the workplace get stuck on the surface - job loss fears, tech hype, and hand-wringing about what’s next. But in this episode, we flip the script. What if AI itself isn’t the problem? What if the real story is how organizations introduce, structure, and integrate it into the human fabric of work?

Jeremy Broome, Global Head of Talent at Visa, shares how his team navigates AI with a surprisingly optimistic and deeply human approach. From scenario-based workforce planning to AI-powered feedback loops in sales training, Jeremy outlines how Visa empowers employees to experiment safely, learn organically, and ask better questions rather than just seek faster answers. Along the way, he introduces a simple but powerful framework, “one-way doors vs. two-way doors”, for evaluating risk, making bolder moves, and learning without losing trust.

This conversation isn't just about tech adoption. It's about how thoughtful design, cultural muscle, and a focus on community can transform fear into fluency and uncertainty into innovation. Whether you're starting your AI journey or stuck in the middle of one, this episode shows you what people-first AI looks like. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

  • (0:00) Optimism, people-first AI, and two-way doors.
  • (4:36) Jeremy’s background and Visa’s AI legacy.
  • (9:06) GenAI as an opportunity and top-down momentum.
  • (13:38) Real-world use cases: recruiting, learning, chatbots.
  • (17:40) Future-back workforce planning and scenario design.
  • (24:01) Learning shifts: community, context, and curiosity.
Resources & People Mentioned

  • Highspot - AI coaching in sales training
  • Visa University - Visa’s internal learning hub
Connect with Jeremy Broome

  • Connect with Jeremy Broome on LinkedIn
Connect With Red Thread Research

  • Website: Red Thread Research
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  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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6 months ago
50 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
“Wait, We’re Still Guessing?” Why HR Needs Better Data - NOW
HR teams have more data than ever, but many still rely on guesswork when it comes to people decisions. In this episode, we unpack the rapid growth of the people analytics tech market, which ballooned from $1.7B in 2019 to $8.1B by last summer.

Hosts Dani Johnson, Stacia Garr, and Priyanka Mehrotra walk through how this market has evolved, what’s driving investment, and why the demand for better-connected, more useful insights keeps rising.

We also dig into what’s not working, like customer frustration, disappointing ROI, and the reality that AI in these tools often overpromises and underdelivers. Whether you’re brand new to people analytics or looking to uplevel your HR tech strategy, this episode will help you move from “hoping for the best” to truly leading with insight. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (0:00) Setting the stage: Why people analytics tech is worth revisiting.
  • (4:31) The market’s growth from $1.7B to $8.1B, and what’s fueling it.
  • (8:31) Three big shifts: use cases, democratization, and ethics.
  • (13:40) Pandemic-driven surge: Why execs finally cared about people data.
  • (14:57) What vendors are getting right: Partnerships and practical AI.
  • (23:25) Where vendors are falling short: UX, ROI, and unmet promises.
  • (29:30) The near-term future: Middleware, consolidation, and embedded insights.
  • (36:00) AI expectations vs. reality: Trust, risk, and what vendors still miss.
Resources & People Mentioned
  • Visier –  https://www.visier.com
  • Culture Amp –  https://www.cultureamp.com
  • One Model –  https://www.onemodel.co
Connect with Dani, Stacia, and Priyanka
  • Dani Johnson
  • Stacia Garr
  • Priyanka Mehrotra on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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7 months ago
42 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
L&D’s Identity Crisis: Why Supporting the Business Isn’t Enough Anymore, with Al Dea
Many L&D teams still see themselves as a support function—creating learning programs, responding to training requests, and advocating for development. But in a rapidly changing business landscape, is that enough? 

In this episode, Al Dea, founder of Edge of Work, challenges the traditional identity of L&D and makes the case for a more strategic role—one that positions learning as a core driver of business transformation, not just an enabler of it.

We dive into the recurring struggle for L&D to "get a seat at the table" and why that framing might be holding teams back. Instead of waiting for an invitation, L&D leaders must shift their focus from delivering learning to solving real business problems.

Al shares insights on how forward-thinking organizations are embedding learning into business strategy, leveraging skills data, and embracing new ways of working—such as agile methodologies and systems thinking—to drive real impact. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (00:00) L&D’s Identity Crisis
  • (05:10) Why L&D struggles for influence and how to fix it
  • (12:40) The shift from support function to strategic problem-solver
  • (20:50) The role of skills data in transforming L&D
  • (32:00) Challenges and mindset shifts needed for L&D leaders
  • (42:41) Final thoughts and why Al Dea does this work

Resources & People Mentioned
  • The Edge of Work
  • Josh Bersin
Connect with Al Dea
  • Connected with Al Dea on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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7 months ago
44 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
AI, Learning & Partnerships: How Bertelsmann is Future-Proofing Its Workforce with Steven Moran
AI is transforming work at an unprecedented pace, but many organizations still struggle to move beyond experimentation and into real implementation. In this episode, we sit down with Steven Moran, Chief Learning Officer and Chief Partnerships Officer at Bertelsmann, to explore how one of the world’s largest media, education, and services companies is tackling this challenge head-on. 

With 400 businesses and 80,000 employees worldwide, Bertelsmann is uniquely positioned at the intersection of AI, workforce learning, and industry partnerships—making its approach to AI adoption especially insightful.

Steven shares how Bertelsmann strategically identifies which work AI should take over and which skills employees should double down on to stay competitive. He also unpacks why AI isn’t just about efficiency—it’s about fostering creativity, innovation, and business transformation.

From collaborating with OpenAI to rethinking job structures, Steven offers a behind-the-scenes look at how Bertelsmann is future-proofing its workforce. Whether you’re an HR leader, a learning professional, or simply curious about AI’s role in the workplace, this episode provides a roadmap for navigating the next era of work.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (0:00) How Bertelsmann’s Chief Learning Officer also leads partnerships
  • (1:10) AI’s shift from experimentation to real implementation in organizations
  • (8:33) Bertelsmann’s strategic partnership with OpenAI and its goals
  • (10:32) How AI is reshaping work and what skills employees should prioritize
  • (16:40) The journey from AI experimentation to company-wide adoption
  • (22:50) Balancing AI-driven efficiency with human creativity in the workplace
  • (35:00) How Bertelsmann uses skill gap analysis to drive workforce strategy
Resources & People Mentioned
  • Bertelsmann
  • OpenAI
  • Ethan Bernstein & Job Moves
Connect with Steven Moran
  • Connect on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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  • On Twitter

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8 months ago
44 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Brenda Kowske: Strategic Workforce Planning in the Age of AI
Boston Scientific is looking at workforce planning in an entirely new way. We got the rare chance to hear all about it from Brenda Kowske, their Senior Director of Talent Analytics and Workforce Planning.

With 50,000 employees worldwide and a rapidly growing footprint, they’re navigating big challenges with fresh approaches.We talked with Brenda about how her team is breaking down traditional HR silos, integrating workforce planning into business decisions, and staying ahead of the curve with AI and skills-based planning.

She’s been in this space for over a decade and brings a sharp perspective on what works—and what doesn’t.From creating global talent pods to using unexpected data like happiness indexes, Brenda walked us through how Boston Scientific is balancing data, technology, and strategy to make workforce planning a true competitive advantage.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Intro [0:00]
  • How AI is changing jobs, skills, and how teams are truly built [1:44]
  • Using location and happiness data to make better workforce choices [2:29]
  • The challenge of moving from job-based to skill-based planning [7:00]
  • How to keep workforce data private while still using it smartly [21:00]
  • Why Boston Scientific keeps workforce planning “always on” [24:30]
  • How AI could make it easier to help employees grow their skills [33:20]
Resources & People Mentioned
  • GDPR – General Data Protection Regulation Overview
  • Corporate Social Responsibility Directive (CSRD) – CSRD Information (European Commission)
  • Anaplan – Anaplan Official Website
Connect with Brenda Kowske
  • Brenda Kowske on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
  • On LinkedIn
  • On Facebook
  • On Twitter

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8 months ago
40 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Navigating Trump’s DE&I Executive Orders: Clarity with Heather Bussing
In this episode of Workplace Stories, we sit down with Heather Bussing, a California employment lawyer, to break down the recent executive orders on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DE&I).

Heather brings her sharp legal perspective, offering clarity on what these orders actually mean for businesses—especially those in the private sector—and how employers can navigate this complex landscape without overreacting.

Heather is direct, no-nonsense, and refreshingly calm in the face of the confusion swirling around DE&I today. We dive into the details of the executive orders, what they really say (and what they don’t), and what companies can do to stay on the right side of the law while building a more inclusive workplace.

One of the biggest takeaways from this conversation is the importance of staying focused on fairness and merit. Heather stresses that while the executive orders might stir up public debates, the real work for companies is about being transparent and fair in their practices, especially around hiring, promotions, and performance assessments.

She also talks about the growing need to rethink the way organizations measure success in their DE&I efforts, focusing on meaningful change rather than just checking boxes.

If you’re a leader or HR professional feeling the pressure to adjust your DE&I strategy, this episode is for you. Heather offers clear, actionable advice that will help you move forward with confidence.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • (0:00) Introduction to Heather Bussing (and Why You Should Listen to Her)
  • (6:24) What Is an Executive Order?
  • (8:51) The DE&I Executive Orders and Their Focus on Federal Contractors
  • (15:03) Legal Impact vs. Cultural Backlash on DE&I Programs
  • (22:29) Why Fairness Should Still Be the Focus of DE&I Efforts
  • (26:48) Lightening the Mood with the Lightning Round
  • (30:48) Why You Should Do What You’re Already Doing 
  • (35:20) Moving Forward: Maintaining DE&I Programs Amidst Change
Connect with Heather Bussing
  • Connect on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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9 months ago
40 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
Simplifying Leadership: Coca-Cola’s Approach to Manager Effectiveness with Tapaswee Chandele
We sat down with Tapaswee Chandele, Senior Vice President of Global Talent Development and System Partnerships at Coca-Cola, to talk about what it really takes to help managers succeed. 

She’s direct, transparent, and refreshingly honest about the challenges leaders face today—and what companies need to do to make things simpler. From setting clear expectations to measuring what matters, Tapaswee breaks down the way Coca-Cola supports managers without overcomplicating the process.

One of the huge takeaways for us was the idea of prioritization: cutting through the noise and focusing on just a few key things that actually move the needle. Tapaswee also shared some thought-provoking perspectives on culture, manager accountability, and why companies need to be intentional about the kind of leaders they develop and reward.

Oh, and we got into how AI could be a game-changer for taking boring admin work off managers’ plates so they can spend more time on what actually matters—like leading their teams.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Intro [0:00]
  • How Coca-Cola Defines Manager Effectiveness [4:45]
  • Embedding Leadership into Culture and Processes [10:10]
  • Why Manager Effectiveness Is Declining [15:00]
  • Supporting Managers with Data and Feedback [21:00]
  • Using AI to Simplify Managerial Work [30:10]
  • Rethinking Leadership Roles and Rewards [38:00]
  • Measuring Manager Effectiveness at Coca-Cola [43:10]

Resources & People Mentioned
  • Radical Candor by Kim Scott
  • BetterUp – A coaching platform focused on leadership and professional growth
  • Future of Jobs Report 2023 by the World Economic Forum
Connect with Tapaswee Chandele
  • Tapaswee Chandele on LinkedIn
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  • Website: Red Thread Research
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9 months ago
47 minutes

Workplace Stories by RedThread Research
At RedThread, we love data—but we know stories are what stick. That’s why we bring together thinkers, writers, leaders, and practitioners to share real-world insights about what works in the workplace, what they’ve learned, and where the future of work is headed. We keep it insightful, thought-provoking, and maybe even a little irreverent.

But we don’t stop at conversations. Our research, events, and community turn insights into action, helping organizations and individuals navigate the changing world of work.

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