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Tough Cookie Talks
Jenna Jozefowski
167 episodes
6 days ago
Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.
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Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.
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Tough Cookie Talks
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Ozempic/Wegovy but Were Afraid to Ask with Vinny Welsby (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Vinny Welsby is here today, and I could not think of anyone better to talk to about weight loss drugs with. They have done a really deep dive into research and know these GLP-1 meds inside and out. We all deserve to go into big medical decisions armed with all the information and we're so glad to be able to share what we know with you today!

Vinny Welsby (they/them) is a fat activist and diversity, equity and inclusion leader. They are a world-leading expert on dismantling anti-fat bias and diet culture, a TEDx speaker, podcast host and best-selling author. Vinny is trans-non-binary and is dedicated to shifting how society views fat and queer bodies through education and compassion.

When Vinny isn’t talking about DEI stuff they love snuggling with their dog, cross-stitching swear words and singing in a pop choir.

On this episode we talk about:

  • All the different names & varieties that weight loss drugs go by these days.
  • Why they may not be the "miracle" drug we think they are.
  • The latest research surrounding them and why it may not be showing is the full picture.
  • How much weight you can expect to lose on a GLP-1.
  • What happens when you go off it.
  • Side effects you may experience that nobody talks about.
  • How to talk to your doctor about it.
  • Why you might be feeling the pull to try one and why we don't fault you for that.
  • Diets and weight loss drugs throughout history--is this just another flavor of the same shit sandwich??
  • So many other good things!



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6 days ago
1 hour 1 minute 42 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
When You Can't Avoid the Stress: How To Stress Better with Erin Lingle (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Erin Lingle is here this week to teach us how to manage our stress better. I don't know about you, but I always laugh at the suggestion of lowering my stress levels. Ummm hello! I am the mom of a 4 year old. I live in America! What I appreciate most about Erin is her incredible sense of humor and her very realistic approach to handling the inevitable stress that's gonna come our way.

Erin Lingle, founder of Find Your Strength, is a personal trainer on a mission to equip women with the tools they need to not just survive, but thrive, no matter how messy life gets. Through her integrated approach of strength and conditioning and stress resilience training, she empowers women to build inner and outer strength. Her compassion extends to her three rescued pups, "team R," highlighting her belief in resilience and love.

On this episode we talk about:

  • Erin's origin story and what managing grief and anxiety helped her learn about how to handle stress better.
  • What it means to "stress better".
  • Stress resilience training and the parallels between that and strength training.
  • Simple ways to manage your stress differently in those moments when it's simply unavoidable.
  • The duality of working out/strength training as stressor on the body AND stress relief.
  • How to approach your workouts differently in high stress vs. lower stress times.
  • What to add more of and/ortake away from your workouts when life get's stressful or you're experiencing specific mental health challenges.
  • The most underrated things we can do to support our minds and bodies.
  • The joy of coffee naps, improvisation, and generally doing weird shit.
  • So many other good things!



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1 week ago
51 minutes 54 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
What Would Actually Make America Healthy Again: the Connections Between Healthism and Fascism with Ashantis Jones (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Ashantis Jones is back this week and we're talking all about the relationship between healthism and the rise of fascism. I know, fun right? But as we often discover, it's all different flavors of the same shit sandwich. And if we really wanna be healthy, we need to talk about the hard stuff too! Turns out it's not all just organic hemp seeds and kale chips.

Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a weight-inclusive Licensed Therapist, Mental Health Coach, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Educator. She supports individuals seeking mental health + fitness support and businesses seeking to create more efficient and equitable practices. Specialties include Body Image/Eating Disorder Recovery, Executive Functioning, and Navigating Systems of Oppression.The Wellness Financial Fund provides full or partial financial assistance for individuals seeking personal training and/or wellness consultations (coffee chats) from Ashantis. The fund prioritizes financial support for Black women, but anyone is eligible to request sponsorship.

On this episode we talk about:

  • The problem with the new potential surgeon general.
  • Why many wellness influencers say things that seem to make sense on a surface level but don't actually work in practice or have evidence to back them up.
  • How many of the ways we think about health can be rooted in bad things like eugenics, and how it's a slippery slope.
  • Why we need to embrace nuance and let go of black and white thinking when it comes to wellness and public health policy.
  • Why it's important to dig a little deeper and look at the root cause of our health problems as Americans (which is more systemic than we realize.
  • Why we think Americans rely so heavily on processed foods and what our solutions would look like.
  • Why we need to look at the wellness media we're consuming with a more critical eye.
  • So many other good things!


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3 weeks ago
1 hour 24 minutes 39 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
The Truth About Toned Arms (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

I finally decided to stop rolling my eyes and record an episode about what it takes to get toned arms. Because while I had hoped we were all past this, the amount of questions I've gotten about this over the years, plus the amount of garbage information still being fed to you on the internet made me cave.

If you don't need to hear this, I am certain that there is someone in your life who does. Please share this episode with your mom, your best friend, or your client.

This episode shares info that might be considered "triggering" to some in the anti-diet community. I'm sharing it anyway, because it feels like the same thing as why offering sex education to teenagers is better than preaching abstinence. Knowledge is power!

On this episode we talk about:

  • The surprising amount of times I am told "I don't want to get too muscular, I just wanna get toned."
  • Why there are no "3 best exercises for toned arms".
  • Why you literally have to build muscle if you want to look "toned".
  • The actual exercise science behind what it takes to change your body composition.
  • Why I don't typically recommend obsessing over this for most clients.
  • How much control we actual have over our body composition (some, but not as much as we think.)
  • My take on "calories in/calories out".
  • So many other important things!


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4 weeks ago
24 minutes 50 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
The Real Reasons Intuitive Eating Isn't Working For You with Toni Rudd (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

This episode with Toni Rudd blew my mind and filled in all sorts gaps in my understanding of intuitive eating, and I can't wait to share it with you! Turns out that lack of willpower and food restriction might not be the only reasons you can't seem to stop overeating, and Toni is here to shine a light on it today.

Toni Rudd is a UK-registered dietitian and binge eating specialist. She works with people who feel stuck in the cycle of dieting and bingeing, helping them heal their relationship with food and body. Through a compassionate, non-diet approach, Toni supports her clients to let go of food guilt, eat with more ease, and stop obsessing over food. Her work focuses on building consistent, satisfying eating habits and shifting the focus away from control towards self-trust and care.

On this episode we talk about:

  • Toni's origin story and how she came to be doing the work she does today.
  • Why dieting and bingeing are two sides of the same coin.
  • Why willpower and discipline might not be the solutions you're looking for.
  • Secret eating, nighttime eating, food shame, falling off the wagon, and other flavors of eating issues that aren't quite binge eating.
  • Some of the surprising things that could lead to binge eating beyond just dieting.
  • Why so many of us know so much about food and nutrition but can't seem to apply it. 
  • How content around intuitive eating can trick us into thinking we're doing it, except we're not.
  • What's missing in the current intuitive eating space, and how can we fill those gaps for ourselves and/or our clients.
  • So many other good things!


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1 month ago
50 minutes 5 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Fitness Tracking: How To Enhance Your Workouts Without Obsessing with my clients Miranda & Steph (Best of Season 3 Replays!)

This week I have not one but TWO of my clients on the podcast! Miranda and Steph are here to talk about all things fitness trackers. Specifically how we've been using our Apple watches to enhance our experience of our workouts, daily movement, working towards performance goals, recovery, and more. We've been working on these things together in our 1:1 sessions and now we're ready to share our insights with you.

On this episode we talk about:

  • Our early (obsessive) fitness tracking experience.
  • How it evolved as we started giving up diet culture.
  • What made us come back around to it and where we are in our relationship to it now.
  • What helped us get to that place.
  • Things that still annoy us about our Apple watches vs. things we think are cool/neutral data. 
  • Advice for someone on the fence about tracking fitness data.
  • Avoiding triggers vs. curiosity.
  • So many other good things!


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1 month ago
1 hour 34 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
What Is No Kings? Building Strength in Community & Peaceful Resistance with Ishaan Srivastava

I am back from my podcasting hiatus because things in Chicago and across the country are getting pretty bad pretty fast and I wanna run my mouth while I'm still allowed.

We are here because when I found myself feeling hopeless a few weeks ago, I got involved with my local Indivisible chapter and it gave me a sense of purpose and community in a world that often feels irreparably fucked. I met Ishaan there and immediately knew we needed to come together to spread the word about No Kings and building a peaceful resistance.

Ishaan Srivastava is a GenZ progressive activist, and has been very active in Illinois politics. He has also been the host of The Ishaan S. Show, his political news podcast, since 2021. Ishaan is an advocate for GenZ involvement in politics, and informing people about ways to get involved!

On this episode we talk about:

  • How Ishaan got into the work he's doing as a GenZ political activist.
  • Why I came out of podcasting hiatus to talk to him about it.
  • How so many people (especially GenZ!) got pulled to the right in the last election cycle and what we on the left need to do differently.
  • All the different ways to participate in peaceful resistance when things feel hopeless.
  • What to do if you want to protest but are concerned about your safety.
  • Why we continue to gather to push back against the current administration and how you can build community of your own (or join ours!)
  • What No Kings is and why you should come to one of our events on October 18th.
  • So many other good things!

**Please know that this conversation represents the views of myself and Ishaan and may or may not reflect the diverse views of Indivisible as an organization or its members.


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1 month ago
55 minutes 5 seconds

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How To Keep Moving Even When Life Kicks You In the Ass (Fitness As a Hierarchy Of Needs) (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

⁠⁠Another shorty episode coming at you today. I'm sharing a topic that comes up a lot for my clients and a concept that I came up with called the "fitness hierarchy of needs". Many of us obsess over small details that don't really matter when it comes to our fitness. On this episode we talk about what you wanna have in place first to build a strong fitness foundation, so that you can keep things moving even when life kicks you in the ass.

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1 month ago
11 minutes 16 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Training To Be the Strongest Old Lady On the Block with Ali Kreider (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Forget training for your bikini body. Ali Kreider is here today to talk about training for our old lady bodies and I couldn't be more excited to share this episode!

Ali Kreider is a certified personal trainer & group fitness coach, empowering women to develop a self-compassionate approach to movement. She helps clients build strength & resilience that allows them to handle life outside of the gym with more confidence & ease. 

On this episode we talk about:

  • How Ali got interested in her training niche.
  • Ways the fitness industry has failed previous generations.
  • What we both hope to do differently to influence our clients for the better.
  • Things to focus on & keep in mind when training clients and yourself to be a strong old lady.
  • Our concerns with "heroin chic" body trends coming back around and how this harms our chances of staying strong and independent as we age.
  • Myths she'd like to bust about strength training as we get older.
  • So many other good things!


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1 month ago
48 minutes 48 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Diet Trauma, Food Noise, Curious Nutrition, and Finding Your Food Voice with Julie Duffy Dillon (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Julie Duffy Dillon is here today for an episode that feels very full circle to me. I originally heard her on several other anti-diet podcasts when I was very new to this work, and I am so excited to be able to share her on mine. Her new book, "Find Your Food Voice" just came out, and it's filling such an important void in the intuitive eating space. If you've ever felt like intuitive eating didn't work for you, or that you have a hard time connecting with what your body is asking for, this episode is for you!

Julie Duffy Dillon is a seasoned dietitian trained as a mental health counselor and podcast host of Find Your Food Voice®, a Top 100 Nutrition Podcast on Apple Podcasts. Featured on TLC's My Big Fat Fabulous Life, Julie helps people with a complicated relationship with food better access non diet tools like Intuitive Eating and strategize how to remove the shame and blame dumped on them from diet culture. She teaches dietitians, counselors, doctors, and other health professionals to do the same through clinical supervision, writing, media, and speaking engagements. Julie holds a MS degree in Community Counseling, is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, and a Certified Eating Disorder Specialist and Supervisor.

On this episode we talk about:

  • Julie's origin story and what led her to doing the work she's doing today.
  • The client work that led her to write her book Find Your Food Voice.
  • The very important gaps her books is filling in the current anti-diet/intuitive eating space.
  • Food noise. What it is, how it shows up, and how we can start to quiet it.
  • Our opinions on GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic.
  • Diet trauma and how it may have affected us without us even realizing it.
  • How our diet trauma affects our ability to hear what our bodies are saying.
  • Why some people feel like intuitive eating doesn't work for them.
  • Food addiction. Is it real?
  • So many other mind blowing things!


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2 months ago
54 minutes 39 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
How To Protect Your Mental Health AND Resist a Hostile Government Takeover with Emily Decker (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Emily Decker is here to talk about something that I know has been on a LOT of our minds lately:

How do we stay informed and get involved in activism in a way that makes a difference without burning ourselves out?

Today we are talking about that and so much more!

Emily Decker is a somatic-based, trauma-informed, body-neutral personal trainer with a master’s degree in social work from the University of Southern California. She works with people in person in Los Angeles and virtually across the country to shift how they conceptualize exercise and find empowerment and fulfillment in movement.

On this episode we talk about:

  • How Emily became the brilliant somatic trainer that she is and how she started integrating activism into her business.
  • How to get involved with activism without while still protecting your peace and supporting your mental health.
  • Examples of the little (and big!) ways we can take action as individuals and as communities depending on our capacity.
  • What somatic resourcing for activism is and how it can help us prevent burnout.
  • How we can set boundaries and be strategic about the information we consume.
  • How our voices really DO matter and how all the little things count.
  • How all of this relates to the way we approach fitness.
  • So many other good and important things!


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2 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Tough Cookie Talks
When Western Medicine Fails You but Wholistic Wellness Feels Like a Scam with Chelsea Clarke (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Chelsea Clarke is here today! Our conversation was inspired by something she posted in her Instagram stories a few weeks ago that hit a little too close to home for me. The very real struggle that happens when Western medicine isn't helping you but wholistic wellness feels like a scam. Chelsea is here to help us navigate the gray area in between.

Chelsea Clarke is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, Personal Trainer, and owner of Balance Chaos Nutrition + Fitness. She's based in San Diego, California, and works with clients virtually across many states in the U.S. Chelsea holds a Master’s degree in Food Policy and Applied Nutrition from Tufts University and completed her dietetics training at Simmons University. Her fitness career started over 14 years ago at Equinox luxury gyms, where she gained extensive experience as a personal trainer. She's been a registered dietitian for over six years, and loves combining her knowledge of nutrition and fitness to help clients thrive. Now, as a dietitian specializing in sports performance, she helps athletes of all ages navigate nutrition in a way that supports their health, prevents RED-S, and fosters recovery from eating disorders or disordered eating. When she's not working as a nutrition & fitness coach, you can find her strolling the beach with her dog, Waldo, training Olympic lifts in the gym, practicing aerial ropes, and expressing herself through her nail art!

On this episode we talk about:

  • Chelsea's backstory and how she got into the work she's doing today.
  • Her personal experience seeking medical care and what led her to seek out more wholistic wellness options.
  • How Western medicine sometimes fails us AND how alternative medicine options can also be scammy.
  • Red flags to watch out for when it comes to grifty things in wholistic wellness and how to not get scammed.
  • How this stuff gets dismissed by people in our anti-diet community and why we need to approach this stuff with more nuance as providers.
  • How we can prevent disordered eating when using some of these approaches.
  • How to navigate the gray area between both worlds.
  • So many other important things!


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2 months ago
59 minutes

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Navigating Body Changes & Unrealistic Standards & Building Strength In Spite of It with Damali Fraiser (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

If you haven't already heard of today's guest, it's about time you did! I've been singing Damali Fraiser's praises as one of the wisest and most thorough kettlebell coaches I've had the privilege of learning from. Today she's sharing all that goodness with us!

Meet Coach Damali, pronouns she/her. Damali is a compassionate Kettlebell Expert, author, speaker, fitness / nutrition coach and founder of Lift off Strength & Wellness. Damali is known for her unapologetic opposition to diet culture in the kettlebell community and as a passionate educator who will help you learn to train with kettlebells safely. Through her Inclusive Kettlebell Coach course and certification programs, you learn to teach kettlebells from an intersectional lens that's size-inclusive, trauma-informed, judgement-free and for every BODY (emphasis on the body because humanity has always had body diversity)You can connect with Damali on her website liftoffstrength.ca, on Instagram @‌Damali.Fraiser, TikTok and on YouTube @‌liftoffstrength or through her retreats for Black Women and women of colour (WOC) in Kettlebells @‌kettlebellsinblack.

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2 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes 37 seconds

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Surprising Reasons You Feel Pain & How To Fix It with Dr. Jen Hosler (Best ofSeason 3 Replay!)

Today I am thrilled to be talking to Dr. Jen Hosler--a genius of a physical therapist and strength coach whose work I am constantly referring my clients to. What she has to share about pain science is absolutely mind blowing.

Dr. Jen is a physical therapist and strength coach dedicated to bridging the gap between fitness and rehab. With degrees in exercise science and physical therapy, combined with her own experience of chronic pain and injuries, Jen’s mission is to help people move better, build resilience, and achieve their goals without pain or limitations. She works with everyday gym-goers to overcome nagging injuries and movement restrictions while mentoring fitness & movement professionals to confidently do the same for their clients.

On this episode we talk about:

  • What Jen learned from her experience as a teenager with scoliosis, knee injuries, and chronic pain.
  • What physical therapy school missed and how she filled those gaps to help her clients healing better.
  • Bridging the gap between rehabbing injuries & getting back to high level activities.
  • How lifestyle factors and mindset affect our experience of pain.
  • Why we both hate the phrase "be careful".
  • Things to consider before you resort to surgery or settle for a lifetime of braces and orthotics.
  • How mobility work (different than stretching) can benefit just about everyone.
  • Why you can't "Amazon Prime" your recovery from injury.
  • Why your chronic pain isn't hopeless.
  • So many other good things!

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3 months ago
1 hour 12 minutes 59 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Breaking Age & Body Barriers & Living Beyond the Binary with Maria Tate (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Today's conversation is with one of the most interesting humans I've ever met: my longtime friend Maria Tate! Our personal history goes way back to when we met working with the same Chicago dance company in 2009. I'll let their professional bio speak for itself!

Maria recently returned to the US  after spending two years with the internationally recognized Phare Ponleu Selpak Association, home of Phare The Cambodian Circus. During their time in Cambodia Maria directed, produced and choreographed a world premiere circus for Phare, toured Cambodia with Circo Inzir, led a tour and performed with Spark! Circus in Thailand, and served on the board of Caravan Circus Network based in Brussels, Belgium. Maria is a member of the Professional Training Program at Aloft Circus Arts, where they also coach kids classes. Once an elementary music teacher, Maria has been teaching music, dance, circus and theatre to kids since they were 13 and assisted with their little sister's ballet class, dressed up as a baby elephant. Maria's other skills include clowning, choreography, opera, ballet, contemporary dance and reading too way many books at the same time. Maria also REALLY loves tacos. 

On this episode we talk about:

  • Their "Eat Pray Love" style journey of getting divorced and running off to join the circus.
  • Their adventures performing overseas and how it's shifted their perspective and worldview around so many things.
  • How she got into circus and how it compares to their previous experience as a professional dancer.
  • Breaking age and body standard barriers in the circus.
  • Discovering your true gender identity and living as your most authentic self.
  • So many other good things!
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3 months ago
1 hour 12 minutes 28 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
The Power of Nature to Calm Your Nervous System with Kate Zanoni (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

If you're anything like me, your nervous system needs some serious help right now, because it's January 2025. (Need I say more?!) Kate Zanoni is here to help us get outside to calm the fuck down.

Kate Zanoni is a movement coach for outdoor athletes, specializing in injury reduction, rehabilitation, mobility, and strength training for return to sport. With more than a decade of experience in orthopedics and sports medicine, she teaches sustainable habits to help you train for longevity so you can continue enjoying your favorite activities for years to come. She finds joy in connecting with nature and building community through a love for wild and beautiful places. Kate is also a writer and author. Her debut children’s book will be released in late 2025. 

On this episode we talk about:

The science behind spending time in nature for nervous system regulation. The power of grounding & what it's all about. The benefits of going barefoot/barefoot training. How to find nature in an urban area. How to get yourself out in nature & what to wear in the winter when you live someplace cold. So many other good things!


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3 months ago
44 minutes 49 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
After the After: What Really Happens After Years of Anti-Dieting with Christina Montalvo (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

Christina is back with another crossover/collab episode after a long hiatus! I wanted to share a convo that I've been having a lot behind the scenes: what happens when you get bored with consuming all the anti-diet content out there? You just BE.

On this episode we talk about:

  • How hard it can be to live your life and truly embody anti-diet culture when you have to perform it on the internet as a part of your business.
  • The full circle journey of going from diet culture, to anti-diet, to incorporating what you've learned into other areas of your life as a whole human.
  • All the random things we've both been into lately.
  • The parallels between different kinds of creative expression and having an intuitive movement practice.
  • So many other deep AND frivolous things!

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3 months ago
55 minutes 2 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Tradwives, Influencer Grifters & the Wellness to Right-Wing Conspiracy Theory Pipeline with Jo Piazza (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

This week Jo Piazza is here, and if you don't know her, you need to!! I discovered her podcast, Under the Influence last year, and was drawn in by the way she exposes social media bullshit in the same way I call out the fitness industry. She introduced me to mind blowing stories about tradwives, the wellness to right wing conspiracy theory pipeline, and all the ways social media makes women feel like garbage.

My hope is that it will help you become a more critical consumer of social media and avoid going down conspiracy theory rabbit holes the next time you're just looking for a banana bread recipe.

Jo Piazza is the international bestselling author of The Sicilian Inheritance and twelve other books. She is also the creator of the wildly popular Under the Influence podcast. She lives in Philly with her husband and three feral children.

On this episode we talk about:

  • The work Jo is doing and who she is as a whole human (because that matters too!)
  • What exactly a "tradwife" is, in case you didn't know.
  • The wellness to right-wing conspiracy theory pipeline, and the path that people typically follow to get there.
  • How content like this can suck women into believing disinformation that can cause them to act/vote against their own best interests.
  • Red flags to watch out for when you want to make sure you don't get scammed into weird shit on the internet.
  • How the broken U.S. medical system and lack of support for women and moms can cause us to turn to internet grifters for advice.
  • How trad-wife and wellness content makes us feel about ourselves as regular ass women in the world.

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3 months ago
41 minutes 49 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
BRB I'm Hurkle Durkling (Season 3 Finale!)

The season 3 finale is here!

On this episode we talk about:

  • A recap of season 3 of this podcast + life lessons I've learned along the way.
  • Where my head's been at and why there's been such an uptick in political content this season.
  • The surrealness and joy of being able to talk to cool people and record the conversations for you all.
  • When we're coming back for season 4 and what you can expect while you wait.
  • So many other good things!


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4 months ago
11 minutes 29 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Fundamentalism in Fitness and Escaping the Christian Patriarchy with Tia Levings

I am so thrilled to be able to share this conversation with Tia Levings with you today because if you don't know her and her work, you need to!

Tia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of religious trauma and the Trad wife life, decoding the fundamentalist influences in our news and culture. Her work and quotes have appeared in Teen Vogue, Salon, the Huffington Post, and Newsweek. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in North Carolina, she is mom to four incredible adults and likes to travel, hike, paint, and daydream. Find her on social media @TiaLevingsWriter and Substack at DeconstructingFundamentalism.com. Her second book releases with St. Martin’s Essentials May 5, 2026.

On this episode we talk about:

  • Tia's incredible life story that led her to be doing the work she does today.
  • How we see it playing out in religion, in our homes, in our own lives, in our country as a whole.
  • What could cause a person to gravitate to fundamentalist thinking and things we can do in our lives to push back against and avoid that.
  • Parallels between what she experienced in her religion and home and what we sometimes get sucked into in fitness and wellness spaces.
  • The pipeline from wellness to getting red pilled and how it happens.
  • How to embrace more both/and thinking when our own experiences (a religion, dieting, our identity, life in general) have impacted us so profoundly that we just want to scream "NO YOU'RE WRONG!".
  • How to reconcile doing that when some people are just terrible people with harmful ideas.
  • Simple daily practices to keep ourselves grounded in a both/and sort of reality in a world that is increasingly polarized.
  • How to we show up in our relationships when our loved ones see things so differently than we do.
  • Insider info she wants to share with people as someone who was in a high control religion and marriage and got out.
  • What to do if you see yourself in her story.
  • So many other important things!


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4 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 20 seconds

Tough Cookie Talks
Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.